The opposition vote to Hillary must unite, or she will win the nomination.

[RiverStone]

This is about compromise.

The ONLY chance I see to have an alternative choice to Hillary is for those in opposition to her to unite.

Wishfully... I'd like nothing better than an Al Gore or Dennis Kucinich presidency; pragmatically all the wishful thinking does not do a damn thing to effect real strategy.

John Edwards is the alternative to Hillary who has the best chance. Obama may have pandered too far to the evangelicals with an association which will cost him dearly on the left. I believe his stock will start to fall as a result. His rhetoric is eloquent, but where the rubber meets the road and on impeachment in particular, he is less progressive then advertised.

No other Dems have the name recognition, M$M attention, or financial bankrolls deep enough to compete for president. They simply don't! They are passionate men with valid and wise words, but now its about winning and who will represent us in the General.

We still have time; but how to herd all these independent cats is a massive undertaking with no easy solution. We figure it out, we can still offer the country a Democratic nominee not of the DLC.

We need to unite and fast or Hillary corp. will win. And who will be the architect of such an undertaking, maybe Howard Dean can step in? We need to see a winning strategy and soon!

Super Tuesday is February 5th; unless we see sweeping changes in the current candidate landscape, there will be nothing left to decide on February 6th.



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[opihimoimoi]

1. The ODDs look very good for her....the Pubs are flummoxed....and so are the DEM candidates

[shadowknows69]

16. The pubs are drooling and gnashing their teeth

at the Clinton feast to come.

[pnwmom]

21. No, they're dreading their humiliation at the manicured hands

of a 5 foot, 4 inch FEMALE.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

24. They're skeered that woman will reverse 15 years of their policies.

THEY SHOULD BE!!! :rofl:

[opihimoimoi]

27. Surely they will need to see their shrinks soon....their male ego shattered into shreds...

[On the Road]

2. Yes, But Realistically,

that will only happen after the New Hampshire primary.

[RiverStone]

4. With all due respect to Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Gravel and..

DANG IT! even Dennis...after NH and Iowa, unless we are shocked by the results, they need to get out and endorse the obvious Hillary alternative. My guess is Edwards (long shot Obama).

Individual goals and campaigns need to be put aside for the good of the Party. We have slipped to far to the right of center to give any more ground. Hillary will take us middle/right - Edwards/Obama will at least maintain position.

We have the SCOTUS on the line and another rightie will tip it red for a generation!

[obnoxiousdrunk]

5. Is that when

Edwards drops out ?

[On the Road]

29. No, That's When the Candidates who Finish Lower Than Third Drop Out

[XOKCowboy]

3. I saw a billboard in Reno yesterday for the local Wingnut talk radio outlet...

and all it said was "Anybody But Hillary". She really is the candidate of the Right Wing. Her nomination will mobilize the woman-fearing, sexist, fervent Anti-Anything-Clinton wingers out in droves. She is their motivation.

It's amazing that everyone is now running against Hillary, Rethugs and Dems alike. I can see the Dem candidates trying to bring her down but the Rethugs are doing it to distance themselves from Bush. As I read somewhere this morning the RW Spin machine is attacking Hillary so that they can claim to still be the party for "change". Amazing and they'll probably get away with it thanks to our do-nothing press.

[cali]

6. Again?

Didn't you just write this? And Edwards is sinking fast. I like him, but he doesn't seem to be doing whatever he needs to do to win.

[dflprincess]

7. The way the MSM ignores Edwards it's no wonder he's sinking

it also makes me think there's some reason the powers that be don't want him elected. My first choice is Kucinich, but I'm thinking I'll wind up caucusing for Edwards on Feb 5.

[RiverStone]

8. yes and no

I wrote something with a similar theme a few days ago, trying a different approach (bluntness) here.

Advocating other candidates quit for the greater good may ruffle some feathers, but you know Cali that those who frequent DU revisit agendas over and over. We each of course have something valid to say.

In defense of Hillary have you not seen repeats? :think:

One thing for sure, time itself will edit any repetitiveness soon enough. When the dust settles and our nominee is known, if it is Hillary I'll be bummed (!!!) but I will also STOP advocating for an alternative. Ultimately, I'm voting Dem in the General regardless. In that, we have common ground.

But for now, I'll do all I can in my little corner of the universe to stop her. She is rethug-lite and is farther from real Democratic values then any other Dem in the Pres field. But she has corporate backing - that is the tail which wags the dog.

[cali]

9. I don't think it's fair to ask others to drop out

I'm really hoping that Dodd or Biden takes off in Iowa. I don't want any of them to drop out for Edwards.

[RiverStone]

12. Well, I'd be thrilled with an Iowa surprise!

How great would it be to turn the M$M on its head with the unexpected.

I'm simply advocating for a plan B. Or should we say plan V?

So many OUT THERE are saying the dance is over; I say there is something we can do about making such arrogant presumptions.



peace~:)

[CyberPieHole]

18. "Fair"? Who said anything about "fair"?

:evilgrin:

[Danieljay]

10. Its worse than that. She'll lose the general election. n/t

[CyberPieHole]

17. I have been in the market for a "crystal ball" for a few years....

where did you buy yours? Will I be able to get stock market predictions on it, or is it just a Political Crystal Ball?:eyes:

[Bitwit1234]

11. Oh oh oh oh unite people and vote for your guy Obama

Jesssey don't you think if the people WANTED to vote for Obama he would be in the lead. DROP THE BULLSHIT, IT'S GETTING OLD.

[info being]

13. Edwards it is...I agree

[robinlynne]

14. in strong agreement.

[CyberPieHole]

15. Why not just unite to support Hillary against a more than likely run in the GE...

I'm not a supporter of Hillary, but, why should people throw their candidates under the bus and run to support any one single candidate? I mean, who gets to pick who that is? Obama supporters? Edwards supporters? etc. Besides, both Edwards and Obama promised us a campaign that would not be the same ol same ol campaign of personal attacks. I though we would have candidates with messages of hope. It's up to us to familiarize ourselves with the candidate's messages. After that it's really a matter of personalities or the way a campaign may resonate (or lack thereof). The candidates have a responsibility to try to connect with us. If they fail to do so, it is, well naive to ask the electorate to rally around them anyway. Should we ask Hillary supporters to drop their support for her and join us in supporting "X" (Edwards, Obama, Kucinich, Biden, etc.)? Explaining our preferred candidate's position(s), as we see them, is the most we can do to get our friends and family to join us in supporting a particular candidate. The rest is in their hands.

[RiverStone]

19. Because I believe Hillary is not good for the Party...

I'd prefer any of the other Dem candidates to her, so given our democracy encourages debate; I'm just trying to get a Hillary alternative to the nomination.

BUT, where we find common ground CyberPieHole - is after the convention I WILL UNITE behind who ever the nominee is (even Hillary). Above all, I want a Dem as president. Even HRC would appoint a judge to SCOTUS in a better mold then any true rethug.

[CyberPieHole]

22. I disagree with you on your fears over Hillary and the party...

personally, I think she will be fine. I doubt that she would start WWIII. I am leaning more towards Edwards, Biden and Kucinich in that order (at least for the moment) and I have talked myself blue-in-the-face in order to get my friends to support Edwards, but it does not seem to be working. Ultimately, as you say, ANY of the Democratic candidates will be better than any of the repub ones....if nothing else but because of SCOTUS nominations.

It's a pleasure discussing this issue with you, RiverStone.:hi:

[book_worm]

20. I'll stick with DK. If Edwards loses Iowa I think a lot of his supporters will look at Dennis.

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. That didn't happen last time

New Hampshire:

Kerry 84,229 39% 13 100% reporting results by county voter survey results
Dean 57,788 26% 9
Clark 27,254 13% 0
Edwards 26,416 12% 0
Lieberman 18,829 9% 0
Kucinich 3,104 1% 0
Sharpton 345 0% 0

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/dates/01/27/index.html

Arizona
updated: 6:12 p.m.,
March 2
Kerry 95,784 43% 30 100% reporting results by county voter survey results
Clark 60,109 27% 22
Dean 31,270 14% 3
Edwards 15,583 7% 0
Lieberman 15,123 7% 0
Kucinich 3,644 2% 0
Sharpton 1,113 0% 0
RACE STATUS CANDIDATE VOTES VOTE% DEL PRECINCTS LOCAL EXIT POLL
Delaware
updated: 6:16 p.m.,
March 2
Kerry 16,729 50% 14 100% reporting results by county voter survey results
Lieberman 3,683 11% 0
Edwards 3,657 11% 0
Dean 3,439 10% 0
Clark 3,145 10% 0
Sharpton 1,885 6% 1
Kucinich 343 1% 0
RACE STATUS CANDIDATE VOTES VOTE% DEL PRECINCTS LOCAL EXIT POLL
Missouri
updated: 6:17 p.m.,
March 2
Kerry 211,737 51% 48 100% reporting results by county voter survey results
Edwards 103,198 25% 26
Dean 36,305 9% 0
Clark 18,328 4% 0
Lieberman 14,726 4% 0
Sharpton 14,312 3% 0
Gephardt 8,306 2% 0
Kucinich 4,876 1% 0
Uncommitted 4,316 1% 0
RACE STATUS CANDIDATE VOTES VOTE% DEL PRECINCTS LOCAL EXIT POLL
New Mexico
updated: 11:53 a.m.,
February 19
Kerry 40,964 42% 14 98% reporting results by county not available
Clark 19,838 21% 8
Dean 15,854 16% 4
Edwards 10,953 11% 0
Kucinich 5,365 6% 0
Lieberman 2,520 3% 0
Uncommitted 460 0% 0
RACE STATUS CANDIDATE VOTES VOTE% DEL PRECINCTS LOCAL EXIT POLL
North Dakota
updated: 3:06 p.m.,
February 12
Kerry 5,316 50% 9 100% reporting not available not available
Clark 2,502 24% 5
Dean 1,231 12% 0
Edwards 1,025 10% 0
Kucinich 308 3% 0
Lieberman 98 1% 0
Sharpton 28 0% 0
RACE STATUS CANDIDATE VOTES VOTE% DEL PRECINCTS LOCAL EXIT POLL
Oklahoma
updated: 6:18 p.m.,
March 2
Clark 90,526 30% 15 100% reporting results by county voter survey results
Edwards 89,310 30% 13
Kerry 81,073 27% 12
Lieberman 19,680 6% 0
Dean 12,734 4% 0
Sharpton 3,939 1% 0
Kucinich 2,544 1% 0
RACE STATUS CANDIDATE VOTES VOTE% DEL PRECINCTS LOCAL EXIT POLL
South Carolina
updated: 6:20 p.m.,
March 2
Edwards 131,174 45% 27 99% reporting results by county voter survey results
Kerry 88,508 30% 17
Sharpton 28,201 10% 1
Clark 21,011 7% 0
Dean 13,815 5% 0
Lieberman 7,147 2% 0
Kucinich 1,319 1% 0

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/dates/02/03/index.html

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. unite as you will, but i hope you will unite behind her if she does win.

[RiverStone]

26. Of course, I am a Democrat....

But only the M$M has said she's gonna win, the people have yet to vote.


peace~:)

[eridani]

28. No one can win without more than 50% of the delegates n/t

[redqueen]

30. Yup... I'm in a late state...

so I'm prepared to vote for whoever's the strongest challenger against her based on polling when my primary rolls around.