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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:01 PM Original message |
The gun owner self-defense mythology is dishonest, in my view |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. ... |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. and turning the t.v. off... |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. ... |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
48. I remember a story about the guy shooting at the silhouette of a stranger at the foot of.... |
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mahatmakanejeeves (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. OK, don't buy one. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
4. Better to have it & not need it than to need it & not have one. n/t |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. ok, so what is your criterion for victimization in order to justify carrying a gun? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Well, I did say "barring exceptional circumstances, it simply isn't" |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I understood you to say that the risk is too low to justify the practice, is this correct? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. For the average person? Absolutely. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Then tell me what rate of victimization would justify the practice? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Note I'm not for outlawing the practice. I just think this justification is silly |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. 50%+1 seems way too high for me. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Well I wouldn't deprive you of that choice, and it's only my opinion that it's no justification |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. You're saying more than that too -- you're saying I am dishonest when I use it as a justification |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I can't presume to know your situation, but for the average person I see it as dishonest |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:36 PM Original message |
I agree with you, sort of. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. You are right, AFAIAC... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. Tell that to all the women who are attacked, raped, and murdered in their own homes |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. ... by their gun-owning husbands and boyfriends! |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
12. Personal choice |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I just don't like the dishonest argument that we're at the mercy of a horde of violent criminals |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. In orlando |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I'm not jgraz, but I'll pass that along |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Oh heck |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
19. Muggers don't play fair. They won't jump you unless they have the |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I couldn't find any statistics on how many violent crimes would be prevented by a gun |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
56. My friend diffused a road rage incident by point his gun at the guy |
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murray hill farm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
22. Well..... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
23. Yeah, well my wife is a "virtually nil" statistic then. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. That's the difference between "virtually nil" and "none at all" |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. My god I'm sorry |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. It occurred 12 years ago. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
24. If I understand correctly |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. You don't understand correctly. My conclusion isn't "therefore people shouldn't have guns" |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Perhaps not for you |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. Few houses burn down, therefore fire insurance is stupid. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Polio is pretty rare now |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Houses burn down, therefore they should be constructed of wholly fireproof materials |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Why isn't it relevant? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Because fire insurance doesn't prevent the fire. The gun is supposed to prevent the crime |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Fair enough |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Nice one |
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CT_Progressive (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
29. How do you know that the legality of guns isnt what causes low crime rate? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. How do I know my pen doesn't keep tigers away? There aren't any tigers around here. |
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CT_Progressive (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. You don't. Pens could be tiger repellents. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Right--barring evidence, assuming a causation there doesn't hold much water |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. That you know of. |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. some of us prefer not leave it to chance. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. There really is no need for justification...... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. No, I don't demand a justification, I just disagree with this particular one |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Unless you know a person's particular |
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BBradley (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. I agree, and it's good to see that more and more dems and liberals |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Best response yet. |
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CRF450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
52. Its one of the true honest reasons to own a hand gun. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
53. The old "cops are highly trained" myth again. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-30-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Training to identify hostile situations and appropriate force |
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