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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:46 PM
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Ed Schultz saying time to replace Reid with Chris Dodd for Majority Leader
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:47 PM
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1. Can't say I disagree
and while we're at it, maybe we can look at the House Speaker for replacement.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:03 PM
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2. I could definitely agree with that...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:16 PM
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3. Bad judgment, Ed! Christopher Dodd is the one who totally fucked us over
along with the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress--Tom Delay and Bob Ney--who worked together with Dodd to pass the so-called "Help America Vote Act," the "companion" bill to the Iraq War Resolution, passed in the same month (October 2002). The IWR (which Dodd voted for) guaranteed unjust war; HAVA (which Dodd helped engineer) provided the means to shove the unjust war down the throats of the American people, 56% of whom opposed the war at the time, and a whopping 70% of whom oppose it now. HAVA provided a $3.9 billion electronic voting boondoggle, by which to fast-track e-voting systems all over the country, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls.

And they are...

DIEBOLD: Until recently, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser (a Bush "Pioneer," right up there with Ken Lay), who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush-Cheney in 2004"; and

ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things). Diebold and ES&S have an incestuous relationship; until recently, they were run by two brothers, Bob and Tod Urosevich.

These are the people who 'counted' 80% of the nation's votes in 2004, with 'TRADE SECRET' code, thanks to Christopher Dodd.

And they are still 'counting' them.

Bilderberg Group attendee Dodd, 'Democratic' point man on the destruction of our election system, may not be the only 'Democrat' who has fucked us over. There are a couple of those. But the way he fucked us over is more traitorous than any I know of, aiding and abetting a direct assault on our voting system, which was very quickly privatized and placed under the control of rightwing corporations, with extremely insecure and insider riggable voting machines spread far and wide during a 2-year period, 2002 to 2004, just in time to keep Bush/Cheney in office, and keep the war, and the war profiteering, and the corporate looting of our federal treasury and of us peons, going full force.

I don't believe anything Christopher Dodd says. His pandering to the left makes me sick. I think he's just positioning himself to make the rigged primaries look feasible (Diebold/ES&S owe him one). I think he's angling for VP to Queen Hillary. I have no love for Hillary, but at least we can see what she is. Not so Dodd.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:28 PM
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5. The problem wasn't HAVA. It was the GOP who are always willing to subvert ANY system
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 11:02 AM
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9. I disagree. The problem certainly was, and is, HAVA itself. This $3.9 billion
electronic voting boondoggle was passed amidst massive, lavish lobbying by RIGHTWING, BUSHITE e-voting corporations (the major beneficiaries--Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia), to PREVENT any controls on the technology which CLEARLY was not only untested, it was private, secret and absolutely wrong! "TRADE SECRET" code in our vote counting system? No audit trail? In a third of the system, no recount capability AT ALL? No requirement for it?

This is just plain nuts. It is OBVIOUSLY nuts. It's a no brainer. HAVA put in place a highly insecure and insider riggable, INHERENTLY fraudulent vote counting system, all over the country. This is NOT a matter of Republican corruption and subversion. The provisions of the bill, on its face, are fraudulent. The vote counts now are fraudulent--unprovable, unverifiable, non-transparent--almost everywhere in the country. And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that HAVA **took away** our right to vote, and GAVE IT TO these RIGHTWING corporations. If you can't SEE your vote counted, it is not a vote. It is a wish. It is a hope. It is a shot in the dark. You might as well be choosing to buy a microwave oven and hoping it doesn't kill you; or buying corn chips and hoping they don't contain genetically modified corn, cuz it's NOT LABELED!

Corporatized vote 'counting.' You pays yer money, you takes yer chances. Buyers beware. Remember W.C. Fields' mockery of U.S. robber baron businesses?--"Never give a sucker an even break!"

They don't like to tell you what crap they're putting in your food, your walls, your cars or your air, and they will go to any lengths to prevent you from finding out, because why? Because they are thieves and liars for maximized profit. And they got tired of buying our politicians, and decided just to APPOINT them, from the get-go, with DIRECT "trade secret" control over election outcomes, with no audit trail.

Democrats who pushed this, and bought into it--and I'm talking virtually the entire leadership of the Democratic Party--are as corrupt as the Republicans. That they didn't cry foul on this, the most egregious assault on our democracy since Pearl Harbor, tells us WHO THEY ARE. They are people who no longer believe in democracy. They are Corporatists. And this doesn't just mean favoring corporations--giving them tax breaks, etc. This means letting them RUN THE COUNTRY, write the laws, privatize every goddamned thing including the U.S. military, and determine election outcomes with "TRADE SECRET" code.

That's what we're up against here. The end of "The Commons." The PRIVATIZATION of our democracy, to be looted by fatcat billionaire CEOs, with our "political representatives" as their lapdogs.

That's what 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting tells me. Our Democratic Party leaders are no longer with us. And this is a very hard reality to face, no question about it.

When our good Secretary of State in California, Kevin Shelley, went after Diebold in 2004--decertified the worst of their election theft machines, and sued their asses, and demanded to see their "trade secret" code--do you know who took him down--who 'swift-boated' him out of office, on entirely bogus corruption charges? It was the state DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERSHIP! The Republicans barely had to lift a finger. They are, in any case, outnumbered two to one in the state legislature. It was the DEMOCRATS! And, frankly, I have never seen anything so ugly and corrupt in my life, in California politics.

And so, I asked myself: WHY would DEMOCRATS want Diebold--a corporation with direct ties to the Bush Junta--'counting' all our votes with 'TRADE SECRET' code, in voting machines with NO PAPER TRAIL?

Why, indeed?

You MIGHT say that, THEORETICALLY, a privatized, corporate-run, secretly coded vote counting system COULD BE transparent--even if it violates the most basic condition of democracy (vote counting that everyone can see and understand)--but HAVA CONTAINED NO SUCH CONTROLS. NO "paper trail" required. Secret, INDUSTRY "testing" of the machines. A completely dysfunctional, Bush-appointed Election Assistance Commission. And lobbying corruption of state/local election officials from the one end of the country to the other, with no controls on lobbying either.

No controls AT ALL, no transparency AT ALL--on our most fundamental right: our right to vote.

I'm willing to grant that our Democratic Party leaders sometimes have mixed motives, and that some are afraid--for various reasons--and that some are well-intentioned but disempowered. In this, they are different from Bushites, who are pretty uniformly corrupt dirtbags and fascists. But the choices that these "mixed bag" Democratic leaders see for themselves, and for us, are so tainted with corporatism that they are not really "choices"--unless you consider limp, lifeless white bread vs. limp, lifeless wheat bread, to be a "choice." That's your "optiscan" voting machine (which has a "paper trail"), with, say, a 1% (completely inadequate) audit, combined with a central tabulator run on 'TRADE SECRET' code, vs. your "touchscreen" (no "paper trail"), with no audit at all possible, combined with a central tabulator run on 'TRADE SECRET' code. What kind of choice is that? That's a 'Democratic' Corporatist "choice." Limp, lifeless wheat bread.

The choice of REAL bread is not permitted. The choice of fully transparent, fully verifiable, open, aboveboard vote counting in the PUBLIC venue is NOT permitted.

That's what our Democratic Party leadership did to us--with Christopher Dodd (Bilderberg Group attendee) as the point man.

HAVA is the most corrupt piece of legislation ever passed by a Congress. It was traitorous. It effectively ENDED our democracy, but for the democracy that lives on in our hearts.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:29 PM
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7. And...Dodd worked with Lieberman to get rid of SEC Regs put in after Great Depression...
so he's DLC all the way... That Dereg helped the Dot Com Bubble and later Housing Bubbles to expand and in fact be created.

But, Harry Reid is really terrible. He needs to be replaced. He was on C-span yesterday rambling on about something that made no sense...reading from notes and missing sentences... There's something wrong that he's in the position he is. So...are their bodies buried with Reid the same as Dodd? We haven't heard about them.. Maybe he's the Senate Leader because he's incompetent. That would make sense too. :sarcasm:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:27 PM
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4. would that help or hurt Dodd's run for POTUS?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:32 PM
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6. Sounds like a good idea
At least Dodd knows what is at stake and is willing to stand up and say "no more!". Reid is trying to find some more Constitutional rights and soldiers to sell out to the GOP for an invitation to the bi-monthly K-street gala.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:29 PM
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8. That's actually a pretty damn good idea.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 08:33 PM by Tatiana
Given what Reid has done (or not done) in the Senate, I can only see Dodd as an improvement.
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