Code Pink should leave the Democrats alone!

[proud2BlibKansan]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/24/national/main3402772.shtml

They don't do anything wrong! The Republicans are mean and nasty but the Dems are fair and tolerant!!

Other protesters were likewise escorted away at the behest of Committee Chairman Tom Lantos, D-Calif.

Now watch the video and see how the other protesters were 'escorted away'. Sitting in a chair at a hearing holding a pen is now apparently worthy of being 'escorted away' in our nation's capital.

Now anyone have any questions about why Code Pink targets Republicans AND Democrats???

[unhappycamper]

1. As I understand it, Code Pink's mission is to end the occupation.

They rightfully (IMO) target those who are keeping the occupation going.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. And unfortunately, both parties are keeping the occupation going

[Dhalgren]

2. The War Party has Republican and Democratic members.

The "Nothing Off The Table (Except Impeachment) Democrats" are warmongers, too. Code Pink ladies are heros...

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Agreed

[bryant69]

3. I agree - Code Pink should leave the Democrats alone

Thank you for coming around on this issue.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[GeminiProgressive]

6. Code Pink

is totally correct. The Democratic Party is not our master and if they don't want to go along with popular opinion nd their base to end this war they deserve even more protest than the GOP since they actually promised us they would end it.

[Lerkfish]

9. lol funny

or disturbing. haven't decided which one yet

[endarkenment]

17. Is loyalty an ideology?

[bryant69]

20. I would describe loyalty as more of a value than an ideology. n/t

[endarkenment]

21. But it appears to be the core organizing concept

for certain positions espoused on this board. So I think it is both a value and the framework of an ideology.

[bryant69]

25. I think that opinion comes from your perception that loyalty is the only reason to support

Congressional Democrats - because surely nobody could support them on the issues. I'll grant that Democrats have disappointed me a number of times recently, but they've done some good things as well. I don't stick with them out of loyalty but out of my opinion that they are the best alternative.

Bryant

[lonestarnot]

7. Go Lizzie! I heard you giving them hell yesterday!

:applause:

[jonnyblitz]

8. I can see it two years from now when our anti-war picket signs

at the protest marches will be featuring photoshopped pictures of President Hillary Clinton instead of Bush and the UTTERLY STUPID DEM PARTY LOYALISTS will still be screeching, "why are we attacking DEMS?" There comes a time when ADULTS have to take responsibility for their actions.

[OHdem10]

10. Pure and simple. The Democrats who stand with Bush

Policy on War prevent votes to stop war. On the War Issue
there are Democrats and Republicans who hold similar positions.

To a Code Pink Member, there is no difference--since war is
their issue.

[endarkenment]

11. I don't understand satire without emoticons!

[Tesha]

22. Infinite loop detected -- terminating in 1.0 seconds... (NT)

[Bitwit1234]

12. I'll say one thing, protesting the democrats who have voted to end the war

and leaving the republicans alone who didn't sure as hell is a waste of Code Pink's time, don't you think..go after the ones you want to change their minds.

[rucky]

13. Check the photo in the OP's sig line.

they certainly do not leave Republicans alone.

[cali]

14. I loved what happened to Condi yesterday

but I understand Lantos having CodePink removed. They've demonstrated amply that they want to disrupt hearings. Dems want to conduct those hearings without undue disruption. And you do realize that dems don't throw them out until they do disrupt, right?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

19. Yeah, and how precisely does distracting and disrupting hearings help to end the war?

This is one thing that Code Pink fans can never answer. I seriously doubt that the activities of Code Pink have ever caused a single person to rethink their position on the war.

[EFerrari]

23. It keeps the issue before the public instead of in the deep drawer

that the war profiteers want it to be in.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. But not in a persuasive manner. I guess it's my marketing background talking.

Code Pink has the reach and repitition down, but their message isn't sticking. Right now 3% of the country favors an immediate withdrawal of troops. Three percent.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. Where did you get that statistic?

Got a link?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. I swear I saw that stat right here on DU! I'm trying to find it and having no success.

The other polls I'm googling show support for immediate withdrawal anywhere from 25% all the way up to 50% so the one that said 3% may be an outlier. If that's the case, then egg is definitely on my face.

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. 75% oppose the war

So I would expect that more like 50% support immediate withdrawl.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

43. My understanding is more people favor phased withdrawal.

[EFerrari]

33. I understand. And you're right, it's not persuasive in tone but

rather a demand.

[davekriss]

28. I imagine you though the same thing...

...when Gandhi was facing down the British empire and Dr. King was marching for civil rights...?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

34. No I don't. Some of their tactics may have been similar to Code Pink

But they were obviously more persuasive about getting people to follow them. Code Pink has been around for what? 5 years or so now? I don't see them changing hearts and minds. They pretty much just make scenes and preach to the converted. If something isn't working isn't it time to try something else?

[davekriss]

40. They are in the vanguard

If there were 1,000 women as brave as the Code Pink woman (Desiree?) who spoke truth to power despite the consequences, the war would already be over. I guess you could say such actions are polarizing. The choir cheers her on; the war mongers retreat energetically and stiffen their resolve. But what that means is it has the opportunity to parse the vast middle, get fence sitters to put their two feet down on the ground on one side or the other. I have faith that Code Pink will win more middle for us than for the other side simply because of the justice and moral rightness of our cause. This illegal, immoral, elective Bush War must end.

Since 9-11, defense and security spending has skyrocketed to levels not seen even at the heights of the Cold War. 19 brown-skinned men with boxcutters are really that dangerous? More of our soldiers have died in these Bush Wars than citizens on that September day. And for what? Profit for the few. Control by the few. And achieved at such tragic cost to the rest of us.

Dr. King rightly said, "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetuate it." Code Pink does not passively accept evil; their hands are clean. Bravo to them. And may more of us join their activism.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

44. I think they could move the middle if they took their message directly to them.

Their passion is inspiring and the whole concept is brilliant. But I don't think they've moved the middle because they don't go where the middle masses are. Code Pink tends to show up in 2 places: Progressive events where everyone already agrees with them and political events, such as Congressional hearings, where the officials they are protesting ignore or arrest them. They get relegated to being viewed as side show theater and as occasional fodder for late night TV host quips. Other than that, I seriously doubt the average American could tell you anything about Code Pink.

If they became a regular presence at shopping malls, churches, sporting events, and county fairs then people would become more familiar with them and their message of peace might stick. And then, as you say, the middle masses might be forced to take a stand on one side or the other as a direct result of Code Pink. Right now? Not so much.

[Beelzebud]

29. As much as putting Democrats in the majority?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

39. You'll find no defense of Dems in Congress from me.

But I will say if millions of angry constituents aren't swaying them Code Pink waving bloody hands sure ain't gonna do it either.

[davekriss]

27. That's not the case with the two women sitting

in the audience that the police roughly removed. They may have had plans to disrupt, but (at least from the video I've seen) had not yet done so. It was a "pre-emptive" removal, very Bush-like.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. Yes that is why I posted the video

While I love what Desiree did, I certainly do understand why she was escorted out and arrested. But the women sitting down did nothing to disrupt - at least nothing you can see on that video. So why were they manhandled? They were treated worse than Desiree was! One of them had her glasses broken. Because she was sitting in a hearing??

[Carolina]

15. Lantos is a worthless POS

Shamelessly shilled for IWR passage and for supporting *

Sheesh, what is the point of being in the majority.

Good on CP for targeting all the warmongers and enablers. It takes courage to do what these CP women do. They put themselves out there on the frontlines, speaking truth to power and risking excalating abuse in their efforts to end this war and preserve our rights.

Meanwhile our Dem leaders are silent and complicit. The deserve to be targeted

[cali]

16. what's it like iving in an entirely black and white world? n/t

[leftchick]

18. we have one party rule that loves war

It is about time we had a second party in this country.

[cali]

42. what absurdity.

when you say something like that you're making a broad brush attack. There are plenty of dems who do not "love war". And claiming the party as a whole does, is simply an opinion for which you can provide no REAL evidence.

[endarkenment]

51. There are plenty of dems who do not "love war".

Well yes I suppose there are. Unfortunately there are sufficient 'dems' in both house of Congress that support War and Torture and Spying to make that fact irrelevant.

[EFerrari]

24. Amy played the clip this morning and the words "War criminal!"

rang out in that room. :)

[davekriss]

30. Bee-yoo-ti-ful, wasn't it? :) (nt)

[bdamomma]

46. which is what Condi is exactly.

[davekriss]

26. Looked like a case of pre-emptive removal

If their removal was directed by Santos, then shame on him. But just how does this support your claim that Code Pink is targeting Democrats? In any case, I think indeed they're targeting the war machine, regardless of party affiliation, and rightly so.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. I am trying to present a REASON that BOTH parties have been targeted

by Code Pink. Not just Dems and not just Republicans. BOTH. Anyone who supports the war is targeted by Code Pink.

[davekriss]

37. Yes, agreed

Anyone who supports the war is targeted by Code Pink.

[leftchick]

45. you have done well

the dems are complicit as long as they keep funding the occupation. Period!

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. Thanks

:)

[Breeze54]

47. Patriots! All of them!!

:kick: & Recommended!

[EFerrari]

48. Code Pink wins one! Check it out!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2134570

[Yukari Yakumo]

49. Code Pink? More like Code Punk

And not the music genre.

Riddle me this: Just how does CP's recent actions help the anti-war cause?

As far as I can tell, the Average Jane and Joe would think CP is acting childish and wouldn't give a damn about their "message". In the end, CP only plays to the HardLeft choir, full of sound and fury, but ultimately worthless because the message is lost to everyone else.

... That is until Fox Noise Channel decides to use them to demonize the anti-war movement as a whole. Which, between CP's actions and Fox Noise's experienced spin machine, would be ridiculously easy for Fox Noise to do.