What if Hillary (for example) announced that she is a Republican

[mudesi]

Say, after winning the primary and then the general election, she got in front of a microphone and said "I am a Republican".

Does it matter that there was a "D" beside her name? Does it matter that an "R" would be placed there instead? What would have changed, really? She would still be the same person, would she not? She would still be smart and tough and likable and electable and all those other good things that people like to claim makes her the best choice.

Since when is labeling oneself a Democrat equal to being a Democrat?


Vote for the one who has principles, not the one who says he/she has principles.

Or else nothing changes ever.

[Bennyboy]

1. You mean she hasn't? (just kidding,not really)

[quinnox]

2. She would still beat Rudy

[Swamp Rat]

3. Maybe

Maybe not. :hide:

[Raine]

31. I can't believe that...

I'm sure that Rudy will literally beat the pants off of her, easily.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I'm Sure That Hillary Will "Literally" Rip Him A New Face,Easily

Which will be a remarkable improvement over the one he now has...

[dkofos]

48. last poll I saw was HRC 50 -RG 47. Which is pretty much a tie.

And exactly the kind of race the M$M wants.

[bellasgrams]

4. What if Hell freezes over.

it makes as much sense as the post.

[TahitiNut]

22. It happens every year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan

Funny how the pridefully ignorant wind up saying other than what they seem to intend. :eyes:

[L. Coyote]

5. So, while we are in OZ, what if Bush announced he's a DEM?

He might do that just to boost the Rs :rofl:

How does the axiom go? Anything is possible.

Well, maybe not anything, but nice try at Hillary bashing.

[The Straight Story]

13. Then we would have to support bush here on DU

:rofl:

[L. Coyote]

44. Not to mention, then Hillary really would say, Okay, I'm an R if that puke is a Dem.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

My coffee is kicking in and I'm heading back to reality.

[mudesi]

56. That is an EXCELLENT point

It just goes to show you that a person's principles and policies are what count, not whether or not they put a "D" beside their name.

All conservatives must be banished from the Democratic party, including Hillary. The DLC is the problem.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. She is a Democrat

by voting overwhelmingly with democrats and supporting the ideals of the Democratic party.

This is bullshit flamebait.

[scarletwoman]

7. Well, I suppose I'd give her points for honesty. Doesn't matter, though, since there's no way

I'll EVER give her my vote.

sw

[bellasgrams]

16. So if she's the nom. and you

won't vote for her, it's ok with you it the Repbs get in and the SC gets packed with more conserves. THat's like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

[scarletwoman]

19. I'll be voting for all the Dem candidates for Congress. THEY can stop the madness --

should they ever happen to find the gumption. Otherwise, the Republic is lost anyway. Hillary is just another front for the MIC/corporatist/militarist/imperialist/globalist machinary that's fucking up our entire planet.

There's simply no way that I'm going to register my approval for that with my vote.

sw

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. If she gets in that will happen anyway.

Everything she does is calculated to get the most support possible from the repugs and indies, figuring the dems are a safe bet anyway, so she will not appoint anyone that the right finds objectionable.

I promise.

[leftchick]

41. nah, she only cares about corporate support

all the other stuff is pure pandering. Therefore her SC choice would be PRO-BUSINESS! So fuck her! I will never vote for more of the same.

[Tesha]

38. Actually, it's like trying to tell the Democratic Party...

Actually, it's like trying to tell the Democratic Party
that the left is tired of beingtaken for granted. They
didn't get the message in 2000, 2002, 2004, or 2006, so
maybe they'll get it in 2008.

Tesha

(Another "any of the Democrats *EXCEPT* Hillary, what
part about this don't you understand?" voter)

[MonkeyFunk]

18. it still baffles me

how anybody who thinks like that has the werewithal to operate a computer, much less be able to scratch up the dough to buy one.

[scarletwoman]

20. Funny thing, it baffles ME that anyone with a computer would ever consider giving Hillary their vote

when, with a little research, they can actually get a clue as to the true nature of the powers that seek to control our country and the world.

Go read some Chris Floyd and Peter Dale Scott and Arthur Silbur, for starters.

sw

[MonkeyFunk]

23. If you think the Republicans running

are better than Clinton, there's no point in arguing with you. You're seriously far too ignorant to engage.

[scarletwoman]

55. I've NEVER said that I thought Republicans were "better". You pulled that straight out of your ass.

I DO think that a number of the other DEMS running for the nomination are far better, and I fervently hope that one of them wins the primary instead of Hillary. Is that clear enough for you?

[Tesha]

39. It's funny that the pro-Hillary arguments *ALWAYS* devolve down to ad-hominem...

It's funny that the pro-Hillary arguments *ALWAYS* devolve
down to ad-hominem arguments against the anti-Hillary
faction. If you knew *NOTHING ELSE* about the candidate,
her supporters' attitudes would tell you all you need to
know about why Hillary is a terrible, devisive candidate,
unworthy of the nomination in any sane process.

Tesha

[Perry Logan]

40. Personal animosity is all the anti-Hillarties seem to have. And they're so very proud of it.

[Tesha]

51. Nonsense.

> Personal animosity is all the anti-Hillarties seem to have.
> And they're so very proud of it.

Nonsense.

Whenever I'm asked, I'll gladly tell you that the reason
I will *NEVER* vote for Hillary (in the Primary or the
General Election) is that, as a Senator, she has cast a
significant number of votes that directly challenged
the protections granted to us by the Constitution.

Her Iraq War resolution vote, abdicating Congress's
power to declare war, is an obvious one to point out,
but she's also voted for the various USA-PATRIOT Act
abominations and voted to ban flag burning. She also
is on record as not being interested in pursuing
crimes in the Bush Administration now or in the
future, almost guaranteeing that, by going unpunished
yet again, the corpse of the Reagan Administration will
rise from the dead yet again and get *YET ANOTHER
BITE AT THE APPLE* in a future administration.

Mr. Tesha and I donated a substantial amount to her
2000 Senate race but she has turned out to be a
major disapointment to us and we've decided she's
unworthy of *ANY* future support.

Tesha

[leftchick]

58. selective reading by hillaryites

you all choose to not see what is there for all of you to read. Hillary does not give a fuck about you or I. Many examples are given here daily but go ahead and ignore them.

[MonkeyFunk]

47. Nonsense

there's plenty of substantive defense of Clinton on this board, discussing policies, issues, etc.

But when some idiot lacking the sense God gave grass says that Clinton is worse than any the republicans, then yes, you're gonna see some ad hominems because such people are so deeply stupid as to cause offense.

[tomreedtoon]

8. Isn't that what Fidel Castro did, in effect?

He was simply a rebel against the corrupt Batista regime until he said "I am a Communist," as I recall.

And given the betrayal of the American people over the last seven years, what's one more betrayal?

[Rosemary2205]

9. Democrats now are "Goldwater Republicans" then.

The woman votes with the Democrats. She supports the party and has put forth one after another progressive idea. Hillary is mostly liberal with just a few issues that put her barely (and I do mean BARELY) right of center. She hasn't chanced her core views much since her Goldwater Republican days but the R's have gone so far off the ranch that all but a few of her kind long ago jumped ship.

I'm proud to share the Democrat label with Hillary and if you aren't tough noogie. :)

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. So you are proud to be a Goldwater republican?

Geeze, am I in Bizarro world?

[Rosemary2205]

37. Now THAT'S spin.

:)

[RB TexLa]

10. Due to craziness without including Karl Rove, this post will self destruct in 30 seconds

[TwilightGardener]

11. And then what-- she rips her mask off

and underneath it's Elizabeth Dole? I'm no Hillary fan, but I'm pretty sure she's a through-and-through Democrat. I do, however, expect to see Repubs in her cabinet and among her advisors.

[Droopy]

12. I think Hillary is honest about who she is

And that's a moderate Democrat. She is quite liberal when it comes to social issues, but her fiscal and foreign policy pull her back to the center. I think she would be a better pick than any Republican, but, unfortunately, she isn't much different than many of our politicians on both sides of the aisle in that she is not going to do much to shake up the status quo.

[mondo joe]

14. If she is nominated by our party, then it was Democrats who chose her to represent

them.

Does THAT matter to you?

[hfojvt]

29. chose her how?

After the media annointed her.
After she raised alot of money from wealthy people (she had a $500 per person dinner here in KC recently)
After a bunch of other people that we elected like Tammy Baldwin and Emmanuel Cleaver, etc. endorsed her and started working to nominate her.
After a popular former President endorsed her and worked to nominate her.

The process does not seem very democratic, nor does the choice seem intelligent or informed.

[mondo joe]

45. If you believe we have no say in chosing our own nominee then I don't know

why you're involved at all.

[Bitwit1234]

15. Gosh I thought Obama already did.

[Hutzpa]

17. You've done well

to hide your agendas, 1500+ post, majority of them ....hmm....questionable IMO.

As always sending mixed messages.







Why I wonder!




:dem:

[mudesi]

57. My message has always been clear

I am a liberal, I don't believe conservatives ought to be in the Democratic party, I believe the DLC is a cancer in the party, lead by conservatives, and I believe that the only way for the people of America to take their country back from the corporate fascist state that it has become is to stop electing conservatives into the Democratic party.

[AgadorSparticus]

21. I would still vote for Al Gore.

:P Seriously, it's Big Al or no one for me. Maybe Obama---if it's a good day and I'm not too disgusted with the political scene, I'd consider Obama.

[WA98296]

25. As if we didn't already know.

[Der Blaue Engel]

27. What if monkeys flew out of my butt? n/t

[Rhythm and Blue]

28. Well, it would be kind of ridiculous, because she's a party-line Democrat.

So far, she's voted with the Democratic majority in the 110th Congress in no fewer than ninety-seven percent of all votes. And personally, well, I value a Senator's vote more than I value his or her word.

[jpgray]

30. This will never happen. But to go along, it's still about keeping the worst candidate out of office

And that will be the GOP nominee, whoever he may be.

[cali]

32. Another deeply silly post

that give all the self-righteous, self-centered folks here one more opportunity to proclaim how they will never sully their precious selves by voting for Clinton if she's the nominee, and gives other seriously ignorant folks the opportunity to state that Rudy will beat the pants off of her.

[All4Free]

33. Don't feel too badly about that...

Because there are a LOT of conservatives who are saying exactly the same thing - that they will NEVER vote for Rudy even if (gasp!) Clinton is running against him, and others who say "Great, then Hillary will win, and it'll be your fault!"

They're having exactly the same fight about these two candidates. So don't be too sure that even with those saying "I'll never vote for her" that she can't win. Just as many Repubs will stay home too, if Rudy gets the nod. (In fact, there are indications that it's about 1/3 of their base who will pull out and either not vote or run a third party pro-life candidate, so cross your fingers that Rudy gets the nomination. Good for us.)

[cali]

35. Oh, I don't feel badly about it

I think it's funny as hell. And I've written an OP about how I hope Rudy is the nominee. Hillary's my last choice; I won't vote for her in the primary, but she's miles better than any of the repukes.

[bridgit]

34. nonsense...

a mind is a terrible thing to waste...imo of course

[JTFrog]

36. Like my sig says....

[Perry Logan]

42. Here's some information that keeps bouncing off the anti-Hillarites' heads.

The following information keeps bouncing off the anti-Hillarties' heads. These are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%

[Droopy]

43. How about this stuff.

War and peace 80%? You gotta be kidding me.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5978.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-stoller/hillary-clintons-dlc-pro_b_39566.html

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/25/hillary.clinton/index.html

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/06/16/hillary_and_mark_penn/index_np.html

[Tesha]

53. But just a few crappy votes disqualify you from getting my vote.

You can vote like a Democrat 99 44/100% of the time,
but if you cast certain votes on certain key issues
like a Republican, you lose me. Forever. It's easy
to run up the score by voting in favor of resolution
proclaiming National Dog Catcher's day, but when you
vote against the protections provided by our Constitution,
*EVEN ONCE*, you are dead to me.

Hillary has done that (per my reply above).

Tesha

[La Lioness Priyanka]

46. what a bullshit flamebait thread. she is clearly a democrat and votes overwhelmingly

as one.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. If My Aunt Wakes Up With A Penis Tomorrow She'll Become My Uncle

DSB

[helderheid]

52. Freepers heads asplode

[lame54]

54. THIS IS WHO SHOULD BE PRESIDENT!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Nnph3zkHNw