C. Berstein-BUSH Is A President Of Great DISHONESTY-Who Went To War Based On LIES FROM TOP TO BOTTOM

[kpete]

Carl Bernstein:"Bush Admin-A Willingness To Lie That I Have NEVER Witnessed Before"

More from 'Frontline' Interviews: Carl Bernstein on Nixon vs. Bush
By E&P Staff
Published: February 14, 2007 12:15 PM ET


BERNSTEIN:
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I think what we're talking about with the Bush administration is a far different matter in which disinformation, misinformation and unwillingness to tell the truth -- a willingness to lie both in the Oval Office, in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, in the office of the vice president, the vice president himself -- is something that I have never witnessed before on this scale.

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This president has a record of dishonesty and obfuscation that is Nixonian in character in its willingness to manipulate the press, to manipulate the truth. We have gone to war on the basis of misinformation, disinformation and knowing lies from top to bottom.

It's very difficult, as a reporter, to get across that when you say, "This is a presidency of great dishonesty," that this is not a matter of opinion. This is demonstrable fact. If you go back and look at the president's statements, you look at the statements of the vice president, you look at the statements of Condoleezza Rice, you go through the record, you look at what (counterterrorism expert) Richard Clarke has written, you look at what we know -- it's demonstrable.

But to me, if there is a great failure by the so-called mainstream press in this presidency, it's the unwillingness to look at the lies and disinformation and misinformation and add them up and say clearly, "Here's what they said; here's what the known facts were," because when that is done, you then see this isn't a partisan matter. This is a matter of the truth, particularly about this war. This is a presidency that is not willing to tell the truth very often if it is contrary to its interests. It's not about ideology from whence I say this.

It's about being a reporter and saying: "That's what the story is. Let's see what they said; let's see what the facts are."

much more at:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003545556

[spanone]

1. K&R

[tk2kewl]

2. make that 2

:kick:

[Uncle Joe]

3. I used to call them

Woodward and Bernstein, now it's Bernstein and Woodward.

Thanks for the thread kpete

[Mandate My Ass]

4. I wish the good half of Woodward & Bernstein would weigh in

more often.

It's very difficult, as a reporter, to get across that when you say, "This is a presidency of great dishonesty," that this is not a matter of opinion. This is demonstrable fact.

[solara]

5. K&R!!

[madmax]

6. k&r

[Skidmore]

7. Now you tell us...

:sarcasm: dripping :sarcasm:

[acmavm]

15. Bernstein has always told the truth, and he was up front and

honest early on.

It's Woodward that's the lying sack of shit.

[JuniperLea]

8. I'd love to see BushCo comment on this

I'm sick and tired of living in this state of frustration. I thought that once the word got out, once the press actually started reporting the facts, that I would feel better. I don't. I guess because I know this falls on so many deaf ears.

Still, I love Frontline.

Thanks for posting, kpete. And thank you again for all you do.

[TahitiNut]

9. Impeach. Remove. Indict. Convict. Imprison. (Rinse. Repeat.)

A failure to do so is itself criminal - complicity in crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and crimes against the Constitution amounting to treason.

We are an outlaw nation - without honor and without courage - undeserving of democracy and undeserving of respect by peace-loving people unless and until we prosecute and imprison those who've committed the highest crimes in this nation's history.

[Usrename]

29. Agreed! No mercy. Not now, not ever.

The biggest monsters of our time, and they must be brought to justice soon.

The world is watching!

[freefall]

38. Well said, TahitiNut. Thank you. n/t

[Tin Man]

10. The "good twin" speaks. K&R

[EVDebs]

42. Woodward and Pincus were Libby DEFENSE witnesses

which says a lot about Operation Mockingbird. BTW, what was Mockingbird's original name DUers ? And what about the irony of the Plame/Wilson case being about keeping a legitimate CIA agent name a secret while illegal domestic operations (like Mockingbird in the media and whatever today's version of Operation CHAOS -- the domestic op designed to screw with dissent inside the US-- keeping those agents names secret and keeping the public AND Congress unaware...what about that irony, eh ?

[Jack Rabbit]

11. Mr. Bernstein makes as good a summation of the junta as any

This president has a record of dishonesty and obfuscation that is Nixonian in character in its willingness to manipulate the press, to manipulate the truth. We have gone to war on the basis of misinformation, disinformation and knowing lies from top to bottom.

[alfredo]

12. Kick and Recommend

[Raffi Ella]

13. IMPEACH

:bluebox:

[Hubert Flottz]

14. If the guy had been reading DU he'd have known this in 2001!

K&R

[Bjorn Against]

23. I think he did know in 2001

I don't think Bernstein was ever a fan of Bush, and this is certainly not the first time he has spoken out. You may be confusing him with Woodward, who has sucked up to Bush way too many times and has destroyed his credibility as a journalist in the process.

Bernstein has always been good.

[autorank]

16. All right Carl...now you write some damn stories. People will listen.

Do some reporting and stop writing books on famous people.

Hit the streets. Nobody better than you right now to bring attention to this.

Say you did it cuz nobody else would, what a story within the story!

K&R

[robinlynne]

17. Thank you! Sick and tired of hearing Woodward's crap.

[bananarepublican]

32. Wasn't Woodward associated early in his career with naval intelligence?

Once a spook, always a spook!

[EVDebs]

44. Check out post #19

and Probe re Woodward
http://www.ctka.net/pr196-woodward.html

along with this article re Woodward, Sen Bennett, and Deep Throat
http://metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/07.03.97/scoop-9727.html

I particularly enjoyed this part:

""I have told Woodward everything I know about the Watergate case, except the Mullen Company's tie to the CIA."--Robert F. Bennett, testifying before House Special Committee on Intelligence, July 2, 1974.

Robert Bennett was the head of Robert R. Mullen and Co., a CIA front headquartered in the very same building as the CIA's Domestic Operations Division. ""

So, Woodward assisted Bennett in his CIA 'domestic ops' eh ? Too bad they didn't bring this tidbit up at trial nor Walter Pincus' admission of having done the CIA's bidding in his journalistic career.

[bananarepublican]

52. Thank you! You totally answered my question. n/t

[EVDebs]

53. DU posting with weblinks. Enjoy !

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=191197

Keep digging and look under the rocks.

[Felinity]

18. Oh, yeah! Here's a swift K & R. n/t

[EVDebs]

19. Time for Carl to update the CIA and The Media Oct '77 RollingStone

article. Operation Mockingbird is still singing, including his 'ole sidekick.

The war in Iraq wouldn't have taken place w/o media participation (that disgusting 'where's the WMDS ?' dinner with the chimp was given for "journalists" remember).

[MasonJar]

20. Thank you, Carl, for coming to the aid of your country. It is pretty

doggone evident that Woodward has shed his mantle of investigative reporting. It is shameful how Woodward has diminished his own credibility.

[wiggs]

21. Well said: Failure. Lies. Dishonesty. Disaster. nt

[Spazito]

22. Excellent article!

Thanks for posting it.

Recommended.

[Postman]

24. This man makes me wonder whatever happened to Bob Woodward?

Carl Bernstein certainly has not sacrificed his journalistic principles the way Bob Woodward has..

[Jacobin]

26. Woodward sold his soul for access, and is now a mere strumpet

[Jacobin]

25. Bernstein remains my hero. Woodward?...not so much

And Bernstein very very clearly states what most americans believe today

[loudsue]

27. You're absolutely correct. But look who the "press" quotes: Woodward

It is sooo obvious that the "liberal" media wants to put Woodward out front, and the mainstream media almost never quotes Bernstein.

Bernstein was very supportive of Sibel Edmonds, and many of the other whistle blowers. We, on DU, knew all about what he was doing, but the rest of the country never heard about it.

When/if we EVER get our elections straightened out, so that the vote of the people is actually reflected in the election outcomes, we then need to take on the television, newspaper and radio press in the most determined fashion.

There are so many things that have wrecked this country at the hands of the neocons, since Gingrich took over the congress in 1994. "Privatization" of government at all levels (schools, media, elections, prisons, the military, the FDA, EPA, etc), is taking government OUT of service to "the people", and put the entire government at the service of corporations.

When you look back over the years of the last century, the LIBERALS are the ones who have always done what's best for THE PEOPLE of our country...both financially and morally. But it's the Woodwards that get the commercial voice now, and the Bernsteins are silenced. Hence, the whole damned thing is falling apart.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Decruiter]

28. Someone please explain to me why this gang of thugs and criminals

are still running this country straight into hell?

I really need some help understanding why.

Thank you in advance for any rational explanation you can give this aging young woman (49). I'll forever be in debt to the person that can help me to understand why.

Peace.

[Postman]

33. There are a couple of reasons....

1. The Democrats in Congress have no balls in pushing to impeach every damn last one of them.

2. There hasn't been a mob with torches and pitch forks bumrushing the White House.

[LuckyLib]

35. And the sheeple are too busy consuming, whether it be junk goods, new cars,

computer games, or TV. They only have enough energy to scratch their asses once in awhile.

[goclark]

46. I have my little fork ready

And I keep saying that we need to march, not lead by the Anti-War movement but by ordinary citizens, in every city and every hamlet until we meet on common ground at the state capitols.

[Decruiter]

30. Thank you KPete. You are awesome! and an amazing inspiration.

Sorry I have no dollars to donate at this time and so no hearts to give that you can see. But lots of hearts are there for you that would like to be.

Peace

[faithnotgreed]

31. i wish just one prominent journalist would tell us what really goes on

as carl asks

just why the media doesnt ask anything doesnt know anything and doesnt seem the slightest bit curious about anything
bush and cheney are white doesnt that qualify them at the very least for some nancy grace type interview

i know we can all speculate but i want to hear just one person like mr bernstein explain all the reasons why there is such a widespread moratorium on even basic truth
even anonymously should qualify very well since its good enough sourcing for the post or the times right

[IWantAChange]

49. is it possible most Americans couldn't handle the TRUTH?

because what IF there's a grain or two of TRUTH in something like...

<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501>

[faithnotgreed]

51. of that i have no doubt

they/we have shown that there is often a collective shrug and there are also various reasons for that but ONE important part is the enthusiasm or lack thereof that the corporate media shows in reporting these stories

it seems most stories if they are written about at all are buried on page 17 or the important facts are buried deep within the story
or if its on the air then the interviewer has all the talking points ready to take down any bit of truth that may have seeped out
its all a hideous cycle no matter the corrupt reasons

im sure there are many people just like my mother - they dont really want to know how bad things are because they would have to feel things that are very painful or there are those that do actually care more about the money or things they have not making the connection that our society/govt allows the elevation of a few to the grave detriment of many

but then you already know that
sorry for the speech and thanks for responding

[Bobbie Jo]

34. I'll kick that.

:kick:

[Atman]

36. Cue Republics calling Bernstein a liberal shill

You could whack them in the head with a 2x4 and they'd just call the lumber company "liberal." They're too fucked to be reasoned with. OTOH, where's Carl been. We've been saying this stuff since before Bush took office.

.

[bananarepublican]

54. Don't you mean Republic*nts? n/t

[myrna minx]

37. Nominated!

:kick:

[Corgigal]

39. The only press outfit that actually shows

the lies, on video is the Daily Show. Next to each other, dated. KO is doing better at using Bush's words against him.

If the big networks did this, it would educated the masses. Live, dated and in color, we might have less dead soldiers. Not that this is ever going to happen.

[speedoo]

40. kpete, thanks.

K&R

[Gregorian]

41. And here is why they are getting away with it.

I believe this explains a lot of it.

Ask why those in Congress voted for the IWR when all of us here knew better. Did Feinstein vote for it so her husband could profit? Could that be the reasoning behind many of the votes? But if that doesn't work, ask about the American people. They're addicted. And this is not just any addiction. Some say that we are living with the equivalent of 300 slaves each, by virtue of petroleum. Hot water, transportation, petro farming, etc. I'm talking about fear. Not fear of terrorism. Not fear of Bush and Cheney. Fear of losing this king's lifestyle.

This explains the deer in headlight look. This explains the arrogance. The lying. The war. And everyone knows what they have to lose. Only a few around the country, and in places like DU are willing to look and perhaps even change, if need be. But most would rather fight than switch. Like a meth addict being told they can't get their next fix. They'd do anything. And they'd look and behave the same way. Irrationally.

It's a bank robbery where all of the witnesses are guaranteed a portion of the spoils. Only those with the highest of morals and bravery are willing to speak up.

[Marie26]

43. This is why Berstein doesn't get on

Larry King Live & MTP - he tells the truth.

[goclark]

45. So where has he been when Woodward was telling cover up lies

for Bush and Co.

Woodward only came a little clean to sell his new book.

Is it that MSM would not allow Carl to come on their precious shows?

Did I miss something on Larry King?

[EVDebs]

47. Operation Mockingbird keeps the Mighty Wurlitzer playing that ol sweet song

and you can out a legit CIA agent yet can't out these CIA-aiding media whores. Aint that a hoot or what ?

""I have told Woodward everything I know about the Watergate case, except the Mullen Company's tie to the CIA."--Robert F. Bennett, testifying before House Special Committee on Intelligence, July 2, 1974.

Robert Bennett was the head of Robert R. Mullen and Co., a CIA front headquartered in the very same building as the CIA's Domestic Operations Division.""

[goclark]

48. Sad but so true

So how much play will Carl get in this CorporateOwnedMedia ---

So,so sad.

[malaise]

50. What angers me big time

is the way in which everyone was afraid to call them all LIARS.