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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 11:55 PM
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Anyone else find themselves in Clinton's camp when they though they were supporting someone else?
I was an Edwards supporter but lately been defending Hillary more and considering her as the most formidable nominee. She's doing a lot better than I expected but it's still weird to just wake up being on the fence again.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-19-07 11:56 PM
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1. Nope.
Don't expect it to happen, either.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:01 AM
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2. Its hard to say. I know she's going to win, so I am pretty much psyching myself up to back her.
But in the primaries I intend to cast my lot with Kucinich, just to send Hillary a message. I've given money to both of them.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:28 AM
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16. I really don't think Hillary will win.
I hope Edwards will win. But I realize that all the candidates, except Hillary, are honest and effective each in a different way. I think that Hillary's ties to lobbyist money will get her into trouble. You can say that I am being unfair, but that is my belief based on my experience in life. Not all that glitters is gold. Hillary does not examine the sources of her donations carefully enough. Republican sympathizers could very easily set a trap for her. Frankly, I think the huge donations are going to her head. She does not realize how much she is putting herself into debt to these corporate interests. Neither do many of her supporters. It would be very easy for some of these corporate "supporters" to pull the rug out from under her campaign at a strategic moment. Edwards and Obama are wisely avoiding that trap.

America can't afford another Republican president. Polls show that Edwards is the most electable of our candidates in the match-ups with Republicans. There is still plenty of time before the primaries. Keep your minds and hearts open. A lot can happen between now and January. We need the best candidate.

I strongly support Edwards. I will continue to speak my mind honestly, but I assure you, I will keep it open to new ideas. One of the things I like most about Edwards is that he is willing to change his mind and admits it. I am the same way. But at this point, and for the foreseeable future, I believe Edwards is the best candidate. Remember, our system is based on the idea that the best ideas prevail in a free marketplace of ideas. Let's keep the marketplace of ideas about the candidates free and open.
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stuartrida Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:06 AM
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3. Clinton isn't winning me over, but all the bashers* around here are turning me
into a Clinton defender. And she is at the bottom of my 08 list.

*bashing is different than criticizing
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:14 AM
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4. I do find myself defending her more lately
but it doesn't have anything to do with feelings that she is the most formidable nominee. It is more because I hate some of the vile unfair things said about her. There is also an uptick in obnoxious anti-Obama posts by Hillary supporters. I find all of it discouraging.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:17 AM
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5. Hillary
is not my first choice, however she is a good enough candidate that if she is the one, I will support her. She is after all a verry smart person and as politically slick as anyone out there. For that matter Dodd is ok and Biden is accepptable. First choices Dennis and John would make it easy for me.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:22 AM
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6. Yes. This happens every time I find myself defending her from someone who is
twisting her words, her record, or otherwise subjecting her to unfair criticism.

Ironically, a couple of the worst offenders support the candidate I've been leaning toward. And the effect of their unfair criticism is to push me closer to her, because the more I look at her real record, the more comfortable I become with her.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:26 AM
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7. not me..i find the fake stories like this nonsense and they send me further away from her!
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 12:31 AM by flyarm
this fake good cop bad cop crap reminds me of 6 years ago of the bushbots posting on aol message boards..you know..the ones that were paid to play both sides of the fence to boost little lord pissy pants..that game lost its luster years ago..

it is very transparent..and doesn't work for me anymore..well it never worked for me..i always thought only really dumb people would fall for that crap!

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:30 AM
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9. "Fake sorties"? From Proud2BAmurkin? Um...no.
We have not seen eye to eye on occasion, but Proud2BAmurkin is the real deal.

Jesus. You and the squadrons of goddam snarky little snipers like you are a lot of the problem around here lately. Someone has a different opinion than yours, and you shit on them with insults about "fake sorties" that are obnoxious even in their incoherent stupidity.

Last I looked, this wasn't the fucking grammar school sandbox. Be a serious adult for a change. We need every one we can get.

Damn.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 03:07 AM
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18. Thanks.
You replied much better than I could - with the same amount of anger but much better words.

I'm tired of people "shitting" on threads just to be different. When all is said and done, damn straight I will support the Dem nominee because every last one of them is miles ahead of the Repubs.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:27 AM
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8. No.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:33 AM
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10. Fuck no! I find the Hillbot attacks on Kucinich (?), Edwards & Obama make me more firmly against her
I'll support the nominee in the general, and I KNOW it is irrational to dislike a candidate because of her supporters' antics, but I can't deny those feelings.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 12:40 AM
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11. I'm an Edwards supporter (soft) also and I find myself defending Hillary
from mostly the O'bama supporters. They are behaving like fuckers...and I can't stand that. :)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:15 AM
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12. No. Watch the video of Hillary responding to pleas from Code Pink
to vote against the Iraq War. Code Pink was so right and so patient. Hillary was so wrong and so arrogant. And Hillary has not apologized or acknowledged the grounds for her error to my satisfaction yet. In contrast, here is Edwards' statement on the five year anniversary of his vote on Iraq.
http://johnedwards.com/media/video/nh-iraq-vote/

In this video, Edwards explains why he voted as he did on Iraq, why he was wrong do so and what he learned from this mistake. What impresses me the most is that he understands and can explain what the error was in his thinking and, yes, in his character, that caused him to vote wrong on the Iraq War. He is self-critical. That is what I like about Edwards the most. He learns from his mistakes. It is rare to find someone who is self-critical but still decisive. He is both. I like his humility and his honesty. I like the fact that he is still willing to change and learn. I hope you will decide to support Edwards again. He is a great candidate. I believe he is also the most likely of our candidates (all of whom -- except Hillary in my view -- would make good presidents) to win.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:15 AM
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13. I'm liking all the candidates! I'm in no hurry to commit because I'm enjoying the
discussions and the campaigning. Clinton is doing a great job, as are the others.

I intend to vote for whoever wins the primary, but for now, I'll keep listening!
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:19 AM
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14. Sure. The attacks leveled against her by the Republicans and many here are simply ridiculous.
Edited on Sat Oct-20-07 02:23 AM by Rhythm and Blue
I'll happily defend any Democrat (and to an extent, any Republican) against incorrect and unwarranted criticism, and ridiculous allegations aimed at Sen. Clinton are not in short supply here.

The problem with her bashers is that they are polarizing the race around her. While this might seem like a good idea to them, she has an 80% approval rating among Democrats. Making the primaries a referendum on Hillary will only lead to a Hillary sweep.

You want your guys to have a chance? Try following this guideline: for every time you knock Clinton, say three good things about your candidate.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:22 AM
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15. No, never. nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-20-07 02:29 AM
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17. Quite the opposite.
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