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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 01:50 PM
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NYT: "Syria Tells Journalists Israeli Raid Did Not Occur"! (HUH?)
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 02:41 PM by KoKo01
October 11, 2007
Syria Tells Journalists Israeli Raid Did Not Occur
By HUGH NAYLOR

DEIR EZ ZOR, Syria, Oct. 9 — Foreign journalists perused the rows of corn and the groves of date palms pregnant with low-hanging fruit here this week, while agents of Syria’s ever present security services stood in the background, watching closely, almost nervously.

“You see — around us are farmers, corn, produce, nothing else,” said Ahmed Mehdi, the Deir ez Zor director of the Arab Center for the Studies of Arid Zones and Dry Lands, a government agricultural research center, as he led two of the journalists around the facilities.

It was here at this research center in this sleepy Bedouin city in eastern Syria that an Israeli journalist reported that Israel had conducted an air raid in early September.

Ron Ben-Yishai, a writer for the Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot, grabbed headlines when he suggested that the government facility here was attacked during the raid, snapping photos of himself for his article in front of a sign for the agricultural center.

-snip-


On Monday, journalists toured the agricultural center at the government’s invitation to prove, Mr. Mehdi said, that no nuclear weapons program or Israeli attacks occurred there. “The allegations are completely groundless, and I don’t really understand where all this W.M.D. talk came from,” Mr. Mehdi said, referring to weapons of mass destruction.

“There was no raid here — we heard nothing,“ he added.

An entourage of the center’s employees lined up with him to greet the journalists. In a seemingly choreographed display, they nodded in agreement and offered their guests recently picked dates as tokens of hospitality.

They showed off a drab-colored laboratory that they said was used to conduct experiments on drought-resistant crops and recently plowed fields where vegetables and fruits are grown.

Mr. Ben-Yishai’s news report rattled Syrians for another reason: he apparently was able to slip into Syria, which bars Israelis from entering, and travel throughout the country.

“I think he came in on a European passport,” said Ghazi Bilto, who said he was a graphic designer for the agricultural center.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/world/middleeast/11syria.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 01:54 PM
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1. why wasted bombs when rumors will do
:shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:01 PM
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4. The rumors have included that Israel took out the No.Korean nukes
that Syria was working with them on. One of the Think Tanks was pushing that explanation on the Diane Rehme show on PBS this week and CNN and the rest dutifully reported all kinds of WMD theories.

Makes me wonder which is the truth? Why wouldn't Syria have reported this didn't happen before now. Why would both Syria and Israel allow all this "speculation" to take place if it never happened?

IT's very strange. Also the sentence at the bottom that the original reporter came in on a German passport. Why is that dropped into the NYT's report. And, should we believe anything from the NYT, anyway? Who's working this story and the debunking of it? :shrug: None of it makes any sense...
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:08 PM
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5. I think they shot an Israeli plane down...
don't ask me why I think this. It's just a thought lodged in my mind somewhere between a sleeping and a waking state. None of it makes sense...maybe this is how conspiracy theories are born?.

:shrug:
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:16 PM
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6. Faux news reported a SYRIAN military plane down,...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299922,00.html

Is that what may be "lodged in" your mind? :shrug:
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:09 PM
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10. no, an Israeli
plane is what I "see". I don't get it and it doesn't make sense to me, either, although I can think of reasons this might be feasible. I don't know??
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 01:56 PM
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2. W! T! F!
:wtf:
:shrug: clueless
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:01 PM
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3. LOL!
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:27 PM
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7. What's an "Israli"?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:41 PM
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8. a typo....
fixed.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 02:59 PM
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9. Why would the Israeli and U.S. governments carry an unsubstantiated rumor,...
,...like this one? My imagination is really hard at work, here.

Are they trying to smoke out who's who is their respective militaries by testing loyalties? What I mean is, there was a helluva' lot of 'chatter' (so to speak) by all sorts after the initial stories on this unsubstantiated rumor were published. I believe this happened pretty close to the loose nukes being hauled into the southern U.S. via military flights, a VERY WEIRD revelation.

I'm just trying to break this down into something meaningful.

I would venture into why the Syrians would lie except they took journalists right to the alleged site.

Thoughts? :shrug:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:13 PM
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11. Misdirection? Maybe the raid was somewhere else.
SOMETHING happened.

Very puzzling.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 03:14 PM
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12. Oh is that why the papers didn't say there was a bombing for atleast several days.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:04 PM
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13. Intermeshed stories and responses.
The initial Syrian response was that this agricultural center was what the Israelis bombed.

Then the response was that the Israelis bombed an unused (or yet to be used?) military building.

Meanwhile, the agricultural center issued a bulletin saying that it hadn't been bombed--see, here's the building! This follows up on their response to the initial claim.

These Syrians aren't the ones that made the initial claim, and have nothing to say about the second claim.

Yes, a time line should have been published with the article. I found it misleading.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:11 PM
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15. Here are some reports about this STRIKE which was in September!
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 07:16 PM by KoKo01

Israeli air strike was on Syrian nuke reactor-NYT

Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:35pm EDT

NEW YORK, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Israel's air strike inside Syria last month was directed at a site judged by Israeli and U.S. intelligence analysts to be a partly constructed nuclear reactor, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

Citing U.S. and foreign officials who had access to the analysts' intelligence reports, all who spoke under condition of anonymity, the Times said the reactor was apparently modeled on one in North Korea used for stockpiling nuclear weapons fuel.

The targeted Syrian facility appeared to have been much further from completion than an Iraqi reactor the Israelis destroyed in 1981 in an attack the Sept. 6 incident echoed, according to the Times, again citing U.S. and foreign officials. It also said Bush administration officials had been divided over the attack, with some seeing it as premature.

Some officials said the facility was years away from being used to produce spent nuclear fuel that could eventually be used for weapons-grade plutonium. The internal Bush administration debate over a possible Israeli attack on the reactor began last summer, the Times said.

It remained unclear how far Syria had gotten with the plant before the attack, what role North Korea might have played and whether a case could be made it was intended to produce electricity, the newspaper said.

U.S. and foreign officials refused to be drawn out on whether they suspected North Korea of having sold or given the plans to Syria, but some officials said it was possible a transfer of technology occurred several years ago.

Israel confirmed earlier this month it had carried out an air strike on Syria, but the two countries have given little information on the target.

Information on the raid has been under under tight wraps in both Washington and Israel, the newspaper said, restricted to a handful of officials, and Israeli media have been barred from publishing information about it.

But a senior Israeli official said the attack was meant to "re-establish the credibility of our deterrent power," the Times said. Several U.S. officials told the paper the strike may also have been intended for the attention of Iran and its nuclear program.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto declined to comment on the Times story. Israel also refused to comment, the Times said.

U.S. officials said the partially constructed Syrian reactor was identified earlier this year in satellite photographs. Those officials also suggested Israel brought the facility to U.S. attention.

The newspaper also reported that Vice President Dick Cheney and other hawkish members of the administration contended that the same intelligence that prompted Israel's attack on the reactor strengthened the case for U.S. reconsideration of negotiations with North Korea over ending its nuclear program, as well as Washington's diplomatic posture with Syria.

Israeli air strike was on Syrian nuke reactor-NYT
Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:35pm EDT
NEW YORK, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Israel's air strike inside Syria last month was directed at a site judged by Israeli and U.S. intelligence analysts to be a partly constructed nuclear reactor, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

Citing U.S. and foreign officials who had access to the analysts' intelligence reports, all who spoke under condition of anonymity, the Times said the reactor was apparently modeled on one in North Korea used for stockpiling nuclear weapons fuel.

The targeted Syrian facility appeared to have been much further from completion than an Iraqi reactor the Israelis destroyed in 1981 in an attack the Sept. 6 incident echoed, according to the Times, again citing U.S. and foreign officials. It also said Bush administration officials had been divided over the attack, with some seeing it as premature.

Some officials said the facility was years away from being used to produce spent nuclear fuel that could eventually be used for weapons-grade plutonium. The internal Bush administration debate over a possible Israeli attack on the reactor began last summer, the Times said.

It remained unclear how far Syria had gotten with the plant before the attack, what role North Korea might have played and whether a case could be made it was intended to produce electricity, the newspaper said.

U.S. and foreign officials refused to be drawn out on whether they suspected North Korea of having sold or given the plans to Syria, but some officials said it was possible a transfer of technology occurred several years ago.

Israel confirmed earlier this month it had carried out an air strike on Syria, but the two countries have given little information on the target.

Information on the raid has been under under tight wraps in both Washington and Israel, the newspaper said, restricted to a handful of officials, and Israeli media have been barred from publishing information about it.

But a senior Israeli official said the attack was meant to "re-establish the credibility of our deterrent power," the Times said. Several U.S. officials told the paper the strike may also have been intended for the attention of Iran and its nuclear program.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto declined to comment on the Times story. Israel also refused to comment, the Times said.

U.S. officials said the partially constructed Syrian reactor was identified earlier this year in satellite photographs. Those officials also suggested Israel brought the facility to U.S. attention.

The newspaper also reported that Vice President Dick Cheney and other hawkish members of the administration contended that the same intelligence that prompted Israel's attack on the reactor strengthened the case for U.S. reconsideration of negotiations with North Korea over ending its nuclear program, as well as Washington's diplomatic posture with Syria.

Israeli air strike was on Syrian nuke reactor-NYT
Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:35pm EDT
NEW YORK, Oct 13 (Reuters) - Israel's air strike inside Syria last month was directed at a site judged by Israeli and U.S. intelligence analysts to be a partly constructed nuclear reactor, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

Citing U.S. and foreign officials who had access to the analysts' intelligence reports, all who spoke under condition of anonymity, the Times said the reactor was apparently modeled on one in North Korea used for stockpiling nuclear weapons fuel.

The targeted Syrian facility appeared to have been much further from completion than an Iraqi reactor the Israelis destroyed in 1981 in an attack the Sept. 6 incident echoed, according to the Times, again citing U.S. and foreign officials. It also said Bush administration officials had been divided over the attack, with some seeing it as premature.

Some officials said the facility was years away from being used to produce spent nuclear fuel that could eventually be used for weapons-grade plutonium. The internal Bush administration debate over a possible Israeli attack on the reactor began last summer, the Times said.

It remained unclear how far Syria had gotten with the plant before the attack, what role North Korea might have played and whether a case could be made it was intended to produce electricity, the newspaper said.

U.S. and foreign officials refused to be drawn out on whether they suspected North Korea of having sold or given the plans to Syria, but some officials said it was possible a transfer of technology occurred several years ago.

Israel confirmed earlier this month it had carried out an air strike on Syria, but the two countries have given little information on the target.

Information on the raid has been under under tight wraps in both Washington and Israel, the newspaper said, restricted to a handful of officials, and Israeli media have been barred from publishing information about it.

But a senior Israeli official said the attack was meant to "re-establish the credibility of our deterrent power," the Times said. Several U.S. officials told the paper the strike may also have been intended for the attention of Iran and its nuclear program.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto declined to comment on the Times story. Israel also refused to comment, the Times said.

U.S. officials said the partially constructed Syrian reactor was identified earlier this year in satellite photographs. Those officials also suggested Israel brought the facility to U.S. attention.

The newspaper also reported that Vice President Dick Cheney and other hawkish members of the administration contended that the same intelligence that prompted Israel's attack on the reactor strengthened the case for U.S. reconsideration of negotiations with North Korea over ending its nuclear program, as well as Washington's diplomatic posture with Syria.

http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USB688812

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:37 AM
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14. NYT's just as a report out that there were No. Korean nukes in Syria
and were insisting that Israel did pre-emptive strike.

The whole thing is still strange. This article and then the next day a counter article? :shrug:
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:53 PM
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16. lost in translation? n/t
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