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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:34 PM Original message |
Why wasn't the children's healthcare bill written to be paid with a general tax? |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Even that compromise obviously wasn't enough, because of the presidency. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes, I understand that, but one group should not have been singled out to pay for this |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Oh I see your point. I'm no great fan of it myself. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I just think it will be another hollow victory for us, and the compromise won't even be mentioned |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. It was designed that way because |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I understand that, but I still don't think it is fair. The general tax payer should pay for this |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. They would both likely agree with you |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. Did you know that obesity has replaced smoking as the new |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:55 PM Original message |
Agree totally |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's easier to be self-righteous with other people's money. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. LOL. Just a little over 12 months, and hopefully we will take back Congress /nt |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Especially when the other people have no representation (n/t) |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
10. A 156 percent increase in the federal cigarette tax is regressive and unfair! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The fact that 43% of children live with a smoker is sickening and unfair. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. "over-eaters" should be ashamed of what they do to their poor kids!! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Overeating parents set bad examples, but the food they put in their mouths |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. The acorn usually never falls far from the tree... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. But there is a major difference here. Food is not an addictive substance, and |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Food IS definately addictive! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Not by any scientific definition, it isn't. n/t |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. There are scientific studies that disagree with you. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. But McDonald's and Burger King is NOT necessary... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Nicotine in the fruits of the nightshades is many order of magnitude less than that of a smoke |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
11. Why do we always have to compromise? Simple. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. There is another option. let him veto. send the bill again. let him veto. send the bill again. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. You give the Rethugs more credit than I do. And in the meantime, |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
14. Because "Politics is the art of the possible." |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
15. THANK-YOU! I am a smoker and I am mad about it. Why not tax people who eat donuts? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Well, you don't need to worry, 'cuz it was vetoed anyway. nt |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
17. i think a tax on fast food would have been more appropriate n/t |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
18. I am fast reaching the conclusion, that there is no difference |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
20. makes sense to me |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Smoke more and insure the kids!!!! - When are you going to start smoking? |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I don't smoke |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
21. Republicans won't pass it |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:08 AM Response to Original message |
27. Taxing the Poor and Disabled - Who Smoke More than the rest of the population - is OK for "the kids" |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
28. According to Krugman, taxing smokers was the only way the GOP would pass it. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:08 AM Response to Original message |
30. A tax on cigarettes is also counter intuitive. The higher the price of cigarettes the less |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. less people smoking is a positive thing for society |
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Daxxie (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Sure, it's a positive thing....... |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. so build that into the tax |
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Daxxie (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. And when all the smokers are gone....... |
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TimBean (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. the smokers would never be all gone |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Excuse me? Where did I even close to saying this? I was saying that they |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
34. No guts |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
41. Good question - and one I brought up repeatedly. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
44. I don't like sin tax. It's really another tax on the poor and |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
45. Here's another thread |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
47. Did you listen to Paul Krugman? He was on the very same show! |
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