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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:59 PM
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Doesn't It Seem Like Things are just getting Worse?
I don't understand just how that can happen after our last elections. Things were supposed to get better.

We now have more troops in Iraq. We are spending more money there.

Turkey is bombing northern Iraq. Who knows what will happen with that whole situation.

Iran has gotten way more inflammatory in its rhetoric.

And Bush is still just rolling over the top of every one. Now he is just vetoing bills right and left and no one seems able to stop him.

We are now spending something like 12 billion a month in Iraq and we can't afford insurance for our poor kids? And poor adults?

One good thing. Haven't heard much about Cheney and Rice lately. But I'm sure they are still there in the background. Kind of worries me when Cheney gets quiet.

Still steam rolling anything that would help the environment.

This is so crazy. It just makes no sense to me at all.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:01 PM
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1. I'm cynical, so I think the dems are sitting on their asses until 2009
Doing nothing, so they can benefit from the mess that is Iraq

Of course an even more cynical part of me is saying they are in on it too, and that everyone left in congress is either an out of the closet neocon, or an in the closet one.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:03 PM
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4. Who knows about anything anymore! I don't trust anything
that anyone says.

Don't trust anything the govt. comes out with.

Don't trust anything from the medical profession and the drug companies.

Don't trust anything the politicians say.

Got no reason to trust any of them.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:05 PM
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5. To quote Sting "I guess I've lost my faith in politicians..."
Of course the kicker was having it in the first place.

Our democracy needs an enema!
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:08 PM
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7. Our democracy needs someone who actually reads the Constitution.
It's like the Constitution has become some out of date document that no longer has any relevence.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:02 PM
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2. rove is the one I am worried about
he probably slunk off to his cave and is pulling up the crap to explode on the American people. He is on who surely belongs in a deep dark jail cell.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:02 PM
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3. In your experience when have you ever seen complete
reversals of trends instantly?

It takes time, muscle and determination to turn a juggernaut.
And the juggernaut for war is very possibly the biggets juggernaut in our country.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:07 PM
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6. Yea but we aren't turning at all - just going forward even faster than
before.

Why, when a president is at 301% approval rating, has he still had this kind of power?

Something is hugely wrong in this country right now. People are getting arrested at public forums for wearing the wrong T-shirt? Every move we make is on camera somewhere? Every electronic transaction we make is recorded and retrievable? We have absolutely no privacy any more.

This is hugely distrubing to me.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:20 PM
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13. Its disturbing to me....but you can't blame the
30% deniers on the Congress which was after all the only thing that the election impacted.

Likewise, its unreasonable to expect that all the security measures (which after all are executed and administered by the executive branch which is ignoring supoenas etc from changing.

Fisa can be updated, but it shouldn't be loosened to the extend that the rights promised in the Constitution are ignored.
I don't have a problem with a secret FISA court.
I'd like to see criminal penalties for those who misuse the intelligence capabilities for personal gain or political advantage.


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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:08 PM
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8. Our party's so called leadership
has shown their respect for the mandate of advocate/voters to end the war, and the corrupt anti-constitutional junta in charge.

That is to say, they have shown contumely and slight regard.

Only progressives in 08. No centrist gets my vote. I'd rather the hell go on until it reaches insurrection than to hand my party what seems like a mandate for more Nancy, Harry, Steny, and Rahm.

All that does is give cover to Repugs who want to become Con-Dems.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:11 PM
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11. I know. It sure seems like its come to that.
I don't understand this Congress at all. It simply doesn't compute. And that is very worrisome.

What the hell are they really doing? What philosophy is really behind our govt. right now? That is what is scary as hell.

Our democracy is just going down the drain and those bozos just sit and watch it happen. Or they make a lot of noise for cover and then they sit and watch it happen.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:16 PM
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12. It is the power of K street
and the underground river of corporate money that carries our freedom and prosperity away.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:41 PM
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15. The dems realize that being second in line at the trough is better than not being in line at all,
& they are hoping to be first in line soon.

I am hugely disappointed in them. Every day I lose a little more hope.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:10 PM
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9. Yup.
It certainly does seem that way.

If bush's FISA bill hadn't gone to the floor and passed... or we heard better lies than 'but the public doesn't want us to' as an excuse for why they keep funding this disastrous occupation... or we saw some headway being made into making sure our elections are fair... but that's not the way it's going...

*sigh*
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:11 PM
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10. I think the myth of the dems as a true opposition party has imploded

It actually makes perfect sense. Since the dems represent their campaign contributors & not the American citizenry at large, they won't legislate policy that benefits us.

We are responsible for this, btw. We have shirked our oversight authorities of Congress, & the Congress has shirked its oversight responsibilities of the executive branch. We allowed the corporate doctrine to become our new constitution.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:34 PM
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14. One bright spot in Congress, Conyer's Judiciary hearings this a.m.
The Dems are making progress on the wire tap issue, re-establishing some of the original FISA Court's oversight ability for spying on Americans. That is a great step forward. Bush will veto but that will be a big negative for the repubs. Go for it Bush! Dig that hole deeper.

Oh, and another thing Bush, how did your idiot Secret Agent people allow the recent Bin Laden video to be released? It looks like you, Bush, are shooting yourself in the foot. Keep up the good work. Where is Novak when you need him? Well there is still the old reliable, trusty Corp. media to cover for your intel screw-ups. How we have survived as a nation with your trashing of real intel is truly amazing. Remember the warning you had prior to 9-11?? You were completely ignorant of the ramifications of ignoring that and feeling comfy clearing your property, Days Before We Were Attacked! What can I say other than you didn't keep us safe.

Sorry, got off msg.

Conyer's hearings are critical.

Biden's Iraq bill is critical.

For sure I would love an impeachment proceeding. Bush is a war criminal and should be made to explain before the American people his actions.

The Dems seem to Slowly realize they have control, not 60% needed for many issues, but they are flexing their muscles.

Reid and Nancy are too soft on Bush and his administration. Truly wanted to have faith in their leadership ability, but, don't. Why??

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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 02:37 PM
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17. I don't see them flexing their muscles at all,
I see the Speaker of the House wandering around with stars in her eyes, in awe of what she has become. By the time the Dems realize they were elected to make a CHANGE IN THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING, they will have been outwitted by kkkarl and we lose again. I, personally, thought we were gonna make a difference, as long as they are all getting corporate dollars in amounts we citizens can't afford, they will serve their corporate masters. Again, they should be standing on Pennsylvania avenue giving press conferences left and right, telling the American people why we can't get out of Iraq, why we can't afford healthcare for the kids, why we have to have warrantless searches, all they have to do is point and yell. Apparently, they are part of the problem now.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 01:49 PM
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16. It's not worse, it's just "unbetter"! nt
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