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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:27 AM
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O'Reilly Called Springsteen Anti-American & Irresponsible
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 11:29 AM by stewert

O'Reilly said Bruce Springsteen is Anti-American. On his foxnews.com webite he has this:

'Scorn' in the USA? Is rocker Bruce Springsteen anti-American?

O'REILLY: Is Springsteen's dissent legitimate or anti-American? While Springsteen is certainly anti-Bush, his words are legitimate dissent, in my opinion. However, I don't respect the dissent unless Springsteen can back up his opinions with facts. Violations of Habeas Corpus, Bruce? When and where? Attack on the Constitution? How so?

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In an interview on the factor with Billy and Kinky Friedman he said this:

O'REILLY: No, but he is been consistently liberal and has been for decades, which is fine. I don't mind that.

But you know, you know, you put yourself in a position, and I want your opinion on this, of Springsteen using his music and his talent to try to persuade people that his view of the world is right.

And that can be dangerous, Mr. Friedman, as I just said, in the War on Terror. You know, Mr. Springsteen objects to almost every anti-terror measure put in place since 9/11. Almost every single one. Yet, he won't come into a forum like this and answer any questions about it. I think that's irresponsible.

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O'REILLY: And the reason is because these men command, in an age group that votes, a lot of influence. Much more influence than the Speaker of the House, the president of the Senate, or anybody else.

And I say if Bruce Springsteen wants to undermine anti-terror measures, he has a responsibility to come in here and other places and explain it. Not just to do "drive by' stuff.

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O'REILLY: America is a torture nation, no habeas corpus. We're eavesdropping on everybody. It's bull. It's bull, Mr. Friedman. It isn't happening. It's out of context. Bruce Springsteen doesn't know what he's talking about. I'll give $25K to Habitat for Humanity if he'll come in and sit here. And you know why he won't come in and sit here? Because he knows that I'd wipe him out. He couldn't stand up to the questioning. And we'd be respectful. We're respectful to you.

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O'REILLY: That builds a lot of houses for poor people, Bruce. So if you're a man, come on in here. And I don't mean that in a bad way. I really don't. You'll be treated with respect, but I'm tired of this kind of stuff. Mr. Friedman, thanks very much. — Read his book. It's a very good read.

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Hey Billy $25,000 might pay for 1/4 of a house, so it does not build a lot of houses for poor people. Why dont you be a man and offer to donate $2.5 MILLION, now that would build a lot of houses for poor people. Offering to donate $25,000 is nothing, and will not even build one house.

And the Boss will continue to be a man, even if he does not do your far right fake news show, which he never will, and you know it.

I have the whole transcript in the forums at oreilly-sucks.com if you guys want to read it. O'Reilly has gone off the deep end calling the Boss anti-American. And he claims Springsteen is lying, when every word he said is true, and everyone but you and Rush and Hannity and your crowd deny it.



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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:30 AM
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1. Hey stewert, long time no see.
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 11:31 AM by Pawel K
Hope you are feeling well. :hi:

I think going on O'Reilly's show is giving him more credibility than he deserves. As you said, its a fake news show, I dont see why anyone goes on it in the first place.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:37 AM
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8. Hey

Thanks, yeah i'm feeling pretty good now. I still have some medical problems like high blood pressure and stuff, but I got the serious problems taken care of with medication. I had acid reflux disease, they call it GERD. But knock on wood it's been ok since I got some medication to fix it.

And I do not think Springsteen will ever go on the craptor.



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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:31 AM
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2. Why Springsteen shouldn't go on O'REILLY...
Bruce shouldn't go on O'REILLY simply because O'REILLY is an asshole who can't let anyone speak on his show who doesn't support his point of view. All others he does what ever it takes to humiliate them.
Why would anyone submit to that sort of treatment?
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:31 AM
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3. More For O'Dummy
And here are some facts for O'Reilly.

Making major news across the country in the last three years (though obviously not denting O'Reilly's monumental ignorance) were two major Supreme Court verdicts undermining the White House's attempts to limit habeas rights: Hamdi and Hamdan (both vs. Rumsfeld). Jose Padilla's case turned on habeas rights too, he was held for an extended period of time without being presented to a judge before the administration relented and tried him in court.

O'Reilly claims Bush did not allow torture, or do secret rendition, illegal wiretapping, or eliminate Habeas Corpus. When the facts show otherwise, of course Billy never let the facts get in the way when he is defending his favorite president, George W. Bush.

Billy sure has a short memory. A ruling by the Supreme Court in Hamdan that the President's interrogation and detention policies violated the law led Congress to enact the Military Commissions Act to legalize those policies.

The current policies of the Bush administration still include, in undiluted form, the Bush administration's theories of unlimited presidential power; the lawless powers of indefinite, due-process-free imprisonment even of U.S. citizens (as applied to Jose Padilla); the use of black sites; the asserted right to spy on Americans with no warrants or legal constraints. None of that has gone away. We just decided to accept it.

It is real easy to show that Bill O'Reilly is nothing but a spinning liar who is trying to cover for the Bush administration, while at the same time calling anyone who points these facts out, Anti-American, as in Bruce Springsteen. He used to call them un-American traitors, but he took so much heat over that he has now changed it to Anti-American.

All you have to do is read these articles, then you will see what a spinning liar Bill O'Reilly is, and what a partisan hack he is for George W. Bush and the Republican party.

Secret U.S. Endorsement of Severe Interrogations

The debate over how terrorist suspects should be held and questioned began shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when the Bush administration adopted secret detention and coercive interrogation, both practices the United States had previously denounced when used by other countries. It adopted the new measures without public debate or Congressional vote, choosing to rely instead on the confidential legal advice of a handful of partisan political appointees.

www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/washington/04interrogate.html

The Latest Revelations of Lawbreaking, Torture and Extremism

As a country, we've known undeniably for almost two years now that we have a lawless government and a President who routinely orders our laws to be violated. His top officials have been repeatedly caught lying outright to Congress on the most critical questions we face. They have argued out in the open that the "constitutional duty" to defend the country means that nothing -- including our �laws� -- can limit what the President does.

www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/10/04/lawlessness/index.html

"This Government Does Not Torture People"

Under the broad mantle of national security, the Bush Administration has claimed exemption from the protections enshrined in our Constitution and defined in International agreements. Prisoners continue to be detained for years without acknowledgment of their whereabouts, without counsel. They are subjected to extremes of deprivation and torture.

www.huffingtonpost.com/rory-kennedy/this-government-does-not_b_67544.html

And then after all that is known and true, O'Reilly calls Springsteen Anti-American for telling the truth. He offers $25,000 to charity if the Boss will go on the factor and talk with Billy, yeah Billy he will, when hell freezes over. And Billy says if he don't come on the factor then you should not believe anything the Boss says, and called what he said iiresponsible.

So here is what Billy said, Springsteen's words are legitimate dissent, but if he does not go on the factor to discuss it, he is an iiresponsible Anti-America traitor. And Bush did not allow torture, or rendition, or illegal wiretapping, or allow eliminating Habeas Corpus for what they decide are enemy combatants, even though the Boss is exactly right, and Billy is lying to cover for Bush.

And that's what Billy calls a no spin zone, even though it's all partisan right-wing spin to cover for Bush, and attack yet another liberal for telling the truth. It also sends a message to anyone else that dares to speak the truth about the Bush administration, that if you do speak out you will be called Anti-American by Bill O'Reilly on his fake news show.


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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:33 AM
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4. Bill is such a fuckwit
who really cares what he says? (I am not putting down the post, really) i am just sick of hearing from this pinhead.

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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:33 AM
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5. Captain Phone Sex said that?
The Captain Phone Sex?

Who cares?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:34 AM
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6. Who appointed O'Reilly the arbitrar of patriotism, anyway? Springsteen doesn't
have to answer to him. What a dickhead.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:45 AM
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13. Obviously you aren't aware that Billo thinks of himself as part of the "White, Male power structure"
He said that. Really. About 3 months ago. Billo thinks he is part of the power structure in this country and because of that, he has assigned to himself validity which you are foolish to deny.

The guy needs to be fitted for a lovely white jacket with long sleeves that have buckles at the ends like this one;

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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:35 AM
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7. Fuck O'Reilly and the horse's ass he came out of.
n/t
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:37 AM
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9. I dont get this part
"But you know, you know, you put yourself in a position, and I want your opinion on this, of Springsteen using his music and his talent to try to persuade people that his view of the world is right."

Um, Billy, isnt that EXACTLY what you do with your show? Well, if you had any talent, thats what you'd be trying to do.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:41 AM
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11. Simple

Because Billy is a Republican and he only has a problem who speak out who have liberal views, notice he never has a problem with anything Republican musicians or Republican entertainers say. He only has a problem with things liberals say.

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:41 AM
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10. BOR couldn't shine Bruce's boots when it comes to patriotism...n/t
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:43 AM
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12. The Boss Responds to Unpatriotic Label

Bruce Springsteen answers critics who call his anti-war sentiments unpatriotic by saying the real sin against patriotism is saying nothing while your country is being harmed. Springsteen discusses this and other topics, including why he's still writing songs and performing, in an interview with Scott Pelley on 60 Minutes.

When reminded that his anti-war views, prominent on his new album, "Magic," will cause people to say he is unpatriotic -- as his critics have charged before -- Springsteen says "That's just the language of the day... the modus operandi for anybody who doesn't like somebody... criticizing where we've been or where we're going," he tells Pelley.

"I believe every citizen has a stake in the course, direction of their country. That's why we vote... It's unpatriotic at any given moment to sit back and let things pass that are damaging to some place that you love so dearly and that has given me so much," says the 58-year-old musician.

In the interview, Springsteen points out the direction in which the U.S. is going, by his estimation. "I think we've seen things happen over the past six years that I don't think anybody ever thought they'd ever see in the United States," says Springsteen.

"When people think of the Unites States' identity, they don't think of torture. They don't think of illegal wiretapping. They don't think of voter suppression," he tells Pelley. "They don't think of no habeas corpus," he says, referring to the people being held by the U.S. government in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

"Those are things that are anti-American," Springsteen says. "There's been a whole series of things that... I never thought I'd ever see in America," he tells Pelley.

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O'Reilly said if the Boss is going to make those comments he needs to go on news shows to explain them, ummmm, he did you dumb ass.

He went on 60 minutes and the today show, real news shows, he just never went on your show, the fake news show, aka the no-news factor.

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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:06 PM
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14. I remember when they asked Bruce to run for Senate
As a Republican in NJ, they were so stupid! They heard Born in the USA and Glory Days etc, and im Paraphrasing "We figured you were one of us", just goes to show they heard the songs but didnt listen to the words. Bruce Springsteen could walk into any room in America and get a standing O, Orielly has to pick and choose his forums. I think Oreally needs to grow up, he rather fancies himself in the Cronkite mold, but legs face it he couldnt carry the jockstrap of the guy that could carry Cronkites Jockstap.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:24 PM
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20. He threatened to sue the Reagan campaign...
for using "Born In The USA" as their theme. I don't think those asshats ever really listened to the song, typical hypocritical rethugery.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:43 PM
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23. Like to see Bruce Springsteen go on the Keith Olbermann
show to discuss just how chicken shit and disgusting this bigot indeed is in showing his ass for all to view.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:08 PM
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15. BillO is a close homosexual.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:21 PM
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17. No, he's not
What the hell prompted you to say that? It's homophobic to slur people you don't like as gay.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:16 PM
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16. yawn
Springsteen tell it like it is, O'Loofa barks the bark his GOcorPorate masters tell him to. Nothing new here at all.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:21 PM
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18. OH yeah...Mr. All American his self.
only the nutters still pay attention to him. Shame these butt holes have a platform to try to rewrite the Constitution.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:23 PM
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19. O'Reilly wouldn't know a true American if he tripped over him..
Springsteen is one of the consistently true and authentic voices of Americana today. I hope Springsteen donates the $25K and stays off this asswipe blowhard's show. He's not worth his time.

FUCK YOU and your patronizing jingoistic fascist nonsense Billo.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:35 PM
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21. Would somebody please
put Ex-lax in his coffee...He's so full of shit his eyes are brown. Why even put this crap in print...it's NOT news!

Go Bruce and continue to raise your voice against this war! Your Patriotic for doing so!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:37 PM
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22. That's like announcing that Britney Spears is to give a lecture on
quantum mechanics; theoretical physicists need to get her take on the subject.
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