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Wiregrass Willie Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:10 AM
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Deputy likely killed self with 3 shots to head
Which is a pretty good trick. I've never heard of anybody before who was able to get off those last two shots to the head. Too bad he didn't try it last week. Too bad any town would let a 20 year old be a policeman.

Deputy likely killed self with 3 shots to head


(CNN) -- A sheriff's deputy who killed six young people at a house party in Crandon, Wisconsin, apparently died after shooting himself three times in the head with a .40-caliber pistol, the state attorney general said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/10/wisconsin.shooting/
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:11 AM
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1. Now that's persistence!
Git 'er done!

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:13 AM
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2. Reminds me of that guy in Texas a few years back.
The one who "committed suicide" by shooting himself in the back 9 times with a bolt action rifle.
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Wiregrass Willie Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:03 AM
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25. It reminded me of how to cure a head cold

Old Man : There is a way to cure a head cold, but it is very hard to do. You must get into a tub of gasoline and light two matches.

Young man : What's so hard about that?

Old Man : Lighting that second match.

Firing a second shot into your head is almost as difficult as lighting that second match. Let's don't even think about the third shot.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:13 AM
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3. Was that before, or after, he stabbed and hung himself?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:14 AM
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4. Not to be harsh, because of course even HE had a mother and family,
and they are probably in pain now, as well, but frankly, I don't care who did it - I'm just glad he can't kill anyone else now.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:15 AM
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5. That round does have a reputation for an overpenetration problem
But the story smells.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:16 AM
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8. Still...a single shot to the brain pan ought to do the job
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:19 AM
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13. Maybe this is a person who ran on something other than his brain
:shrug:
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:21 AM
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16. What, like drugs?
It would explain a lot if this person was strung out on meth or crack or something.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:53 AM
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24. Not necessarily
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 10:54 AM by TX-RAT
We had 2 that survived ( if you want to call it that ) attempted suicides with a hand gun. One stuck a 380 AMT Back Up in his mouth and blew out his sinus cavity and the bullet lodged in the front lobe of his brain. I witnessed this one, it was ugly and he never lost consciousness. The other was a 9mm to the temple. When he came to, he called 911. One can't talk anymore and neither can walk. That's one thing you don't want to screw up.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:15 AM
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6. What I read last night was, the first 2 shots were "below the chin".
With the wrong angle those shots would not have killed the man. Somehow this got abridged to the version you quote above.

As for letting a 20 year old be a policeman. Uh.. you're serious? No young policemen, ever?

...It is certainly possible, even likely, that they had to hire someone because existing people were sent off to Iraq in the reserves.
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Wiregrass Willie Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 04:59 PM
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30. 20 is too young.

I agree with one victim's uncle :

"No person that I've ever known at 20 years old was responsible enough to be a police officer," said Steve Bocek of Oak Creek, Wis., whose nephew Bradley Schultz was killed. "It's unbelievable."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_wisconsin_cop_snapped_after_being_called-1.html
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:16 AM
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7. Probably shot at the wrong head.
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 10:18 AM by Squatch
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:17 AM
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9. IF SO
WHY THE COVER UP? COULD HE HAVE BEEN UNDERCOVER?
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:18 AM
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11. I DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL, MAN?
WHY ARE WE SCREAMING, ANYWAYS?!?!?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:18 AM
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10. I'm having real trouble buying this....
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 10:23 AM by mike_c
Two shots under the chin, then a side shot.

This is so improbable-- not impossible, I suppose, but very unlikely. The most effective way to self inflict is probably through the back of the mouth into the hind brain, but it's still really difficult to imagine remaining conscious after two shots through the fore brain-- hell, that's improbable enough after just one. Injuries like that do have a survival rate, albeit relatively low. But shooting yourself in the head THREE TIMES?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:19 AM
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12. I don't buy it either. Somebody had to "help" him.
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:33 AM
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23. VERY UNLIKELY

for one thing a blow under the chin with that foot lbs of pressure usually renders unconsciousness,the second shot would be muscle spasm,the third would indicate murder.
a cover up is the most logical explanation brought on by this maybe: we'll never really know,its better for the families involved,his prints were the only one on the gun,nobody could've left or we'd know?
i'll vote for cover up,or swept under rug!
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:35 AM
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28. Especially with
a .44

Sounds like the neighbors got together and held him down and did him in....

But that's just my opinion.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:20 AM
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14. Not all "shots to the head" are fatal
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Wiregrass Willie Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 05:04 PM
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31. Let's review Peterson's thought processes ...
Keep in mind that the muzzle velocity of a 40 caliber pistol is similar to a horses kick.

Can you imagine our hero sitting on the sofa, putting the gun under his chin and pulling the trigger ?

BAMMM !

Peterson : Oh, darn. That only blew away my lower jaw and right ear. Maybe I'd better elevate the barrel and get a clear shot of my brain.

BAMMM !

Peterson: Holy shit ! There went my upper jaw and left ear. I must not be doing this right. Maybe it I place the barrel up here on my temple and pull the trigger ...

BOOOM !

Silence, finally.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:21 AM
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15. self-delete
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 10:22 AM by HardWorkingDem
nt
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:22 AM
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17. Article said he used a .40 S&W pistol
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:23 AM
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19. Yep...just read it...
Somewhere I thought I read he used an AR-15...thanks
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:32 AM
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22. He supposedly did, just he used that on other people.
Edited on Wed Oct-10-07 10:33 AM by Kagemusha
People can carry more than one gun obviously.

CNN is carrying sloppy writing (from, I presume, the AP) that makes inaccurate assumptions inevitable. I don't want to blame any DU posters for this. You don't have much to work with.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:23 AM
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20. 3-shot bursts from AR15 -- not generally so.

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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:25 AM
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21. 3-rd burst not available to civilian models. It is available on LEO models
at least from Colt.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:23 AM
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18. Are there no mental health requirements to becoming a deputy???
There should be. We don't need people like this on the force.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:29 AM
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26. With most departments.
Ours included, there are psychological evaluations
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:33 AM
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27. I suppose it's possibly.
Firefighter friend of mine once told me about how he reported to a scene of a suicide. The guy put a shotgun under his chin and fired up. Apparently blew off the front of his face and the front part of his brain, and remained conscious for several minutes before dying of apparent blood loss. Don't know if that's true. But there are people that get shot in the head and remain ambulatory.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:36 AM
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29. That would take a fortitude I'm unfamiliar with.
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