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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:56 PM
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TWEETY101: FRED THOMPSON = GARY COOPER
O'kay class. Today's Tweety101 lesson is how Fred Thompson = Gary Cooper. The only way for us students to arrive at that equation is that Matthews must mean Fred Thompson = Gary Cooper today = Dead and Buried.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:59 PM
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1. LOL!
:rofl:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:59 PM
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2. Not even close.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:56 PM
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16. sigh -- he was so beautiful n/t
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:00 PM
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3. Gary Cooper? He's been dead for 45 years
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:04 PM
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4. Yea and he could act....
A noted conservative, he stood up to John Wayne in order to make High Noon...

They had blacklisted the writer but Coop made the studio make the picture...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:51 PM
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15. But, he was a "conservative" who
stood up to John Wayne? A conservative who made the studio do the picture?

Conservative use to have a bad connotation to me but the current fascism makes conservatism seem wonderful. Could you do some 'splaining, please?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 10:59 PM
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20. They were going to pull the movie, stop production...
Well here, they explain it much better....

The son of Russian Jewish immigrants, American writer/producer/director Carl Foreman studied for a law career before choosing to enter the publicity business. Foreman's first screenwriting credits were for Monogram's low-budget East Side Kids 6-reelers of the early '40s. After wartime service with the Signal Corps, Foreman joined novice film producer Stanley Kramer, receiving his first "prestige" screenplay credit for the 1948 Henry Morgan vehicle So This is New York. Foreman remained with the Kramer Company until High Noon (1952), at which time he was threatened with blacklisting due to his "hostile" testimony before the House UnAmerican Activities Committee. While everyone involved in High Noon stood by Foreman, including the picture's rabidly anti-communist star Cooper, the film would be the writer's last screen credit for many years. He subsequently wrote under a series of pseudonyms, and often for no billing whatsoever.


http://www.answers.com/topic/carl-foreman?cat=entertainment
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:09 PM
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24. Thank, WC..Carl Foreman was
quite the talented writer. I was asking about Gary Cooper, though..and his role in getting high noon made.

I found this, however, and it totally answered my question..thanks for getting me interested with that mention of Gary Cooper "helping to get High Noon made". For real now I know ferd thompson is no Gary Cooper, tweety! Learn your friggin history!!

SNIPS~
"On 23 October 1947, he appeared before the House Unamerican Activities Committee in Washington, not under subpoena but responding to an invitation to give testimony on the alleged infiltration of Hollywood by communists. Other friendly witnesses appearing on the same day as Cooper were Robert Taylor, Robert Montgomery, George Murphy, Ronald Reagan and the aging Adolphe Menjou. Montgomery had long been active in Republican politics as a committeeman and later would serve as White House adviser during the Eisenhower administration. Murphy would serve as a Republican senator from California, with a reactionary voting record. Reagan would become Governor of California and the national champion of extreme conservatism. Taylor, Menjou and Cooper would all retreat gradually from the political fracas, but only Cooper would make a show of repudiating what he had done. Although he never recanted his testimony, or said he regretted having been a friendly witness, he became conciliatory during the subsequent period of the blacklist. As an independent producer, he hired blacklisted actors and technicians. He did say he had never wanted to see anyone lose the right to work, regardless of what he had done. After the release of _High Noon (1952)_ , an allegory for blacklisting, he stood by the screenwriter Carl Foreman despite pressure from the militant Hedda Hopper. Immediately after the HUAC appearance, the films of Cooper, Taylor, Montgomery, Murphy, Reagan and Menjou were banned first in Hungary, then in Czechoslovakia, and eventually in most of the Iron Curtain countries. So were those of Ginger Rogers and, curiously, those of tenor Allan Jones, seen usually in minor features and certainly no militant. On the witness stand Cooper had made light of the communists. Sure, they were in Hollywood just like everywhere else, but they were only a small faction giving the large patriotic body of the film community a bad name it didn't deserve. After his testimony, Cooper received a standing ovation and vigorous applause. He later told Robert Taylor, "I got a much bigger hand than you did." Liberals who never forgave the other friendly witnesses generally made an exception for Cooper.

After talking with Carl Foreman on the set of High Noon (1952), Cooper realized there had not been an attempt by Communists to infiltrate Hollywood, and later regretted his part in founding the right-wing Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals.

His reputation as an unthinking conservative seems largely undeserved. Though he appeared as a "friendly witness" before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) in 1947, he carefully avoided naming any people he suspected of having Communist sympathies within the Hollywood community. He later starred in High Noon (1952), a western that was an allegory for blacklisting in Hollywood, and strongly defended blacklisted screenwriter Carl Foreman from attacks by the right-wing Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals. Foreman later credited Cooper as the only major star in Hollywood who tried to help him. His mistress Patricia Neal, who did consider herself a liberal, said Gary was "conservative" but "you couldn't call him right-wing". Cooper showed a sense of humor by asking John Wayne to collect his Oscar for him in 1953, after Wayne had criticized High Noon (1952) as "anti-American".


Interesting history if one cares about Hollywood and the politics of the mccarthy era.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000011/bio
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:05 PM
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5. Are you sure Tweety didn't mean Fred Thompson = Mr. Hooper?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:09 PM
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8. Don't you dis the beloved Mr. Hooper that way!
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:12 PM
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9. Nope. Fred Thompson = Sam the Eagle
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:12 PM
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19. I found Fred's baby picture!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 06:28 AM
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21. That was great! n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:07 PM
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6. He's stealing from Tucker Carlson--
who said that Chuck Hagel was Gary Cooper. Next week Joe Scarborough will say that Romney = Gary Cooper. WTF with Gary Cooper? And Fred bears as much resemblance to him as a shar-pei to a greyhound.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:29 PM
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26. sounds like the GOP/Media Establishment meme
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:08 PM
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7. I heard about that and thought "Only if Gary Cooper looks like Droopy Dawg."


Nope. Don't see it.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:14 PM
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10. This Gary Cooper?


At his appearance before HUAC

SPOKESMAN: Do you believe as a prominent person in your field that it would be wise for us to, for the Congress, to pass legislation to outlaw the Communist Party of the United States?

GARY COOPER: I think it would be a good idea, although I don't know, I have never read Karl Marx, and I don't know the basis of Communism, beyond what I have picked up from hearsay--and what I have heard, I don't like it because it isn't on the level.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:26 PM
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12. Actors should stick to what they know best. Like that Gary Cooper?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 09:03 PM
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18. Actually, for the time that was a fairly gutsy response.
The House Unamerican Activities Committee, run by Joe McCarthy, ruined people's lives. Expressing anything other than total condemnation for communism resulted in being fired from one's job and never hired anywhere else. I know people who were professors at universities who were fired just because somebody *rumored* that they *might* be communists.

Gary Cooper would have been safer to say something like, "All communists should be shot immediately." For him to admit that he didn't know a thing about it was fairly brave of him. Although, on second thought, maybe it was safer to profess ignorance.

Those were bad times. Too bad they've come again.

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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:14 PM
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11. Oh Tweety - your man crushes
are really starting to look beyond the pale.
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cspanlovr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:37 PM
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13. Super Duper!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:47 PM
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14. fred thompson= a lot of people
who are dead and buried so why single out the taciturn, handsome actor? Who I'm sure had all his brain cells when he passed on which wouldn't make a comparison to fred thompson viable.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 08:57 PM
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17. i heard him say that -- and all i could do was
:puke:
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 06:33 AM
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22. He looks more like Jackie Coogan to me.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 07:48 AM
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23. he looks like an old man with wrinkled up skin..and self tanning crap on his face
who is now trying to make himself young again..to me he looks pathetic..

and watching the video with his young babies on his lap..i felt pity for that old fool!

that he needs a trophy wife and young children when most people begin to enjoy life after raising their children..i see a pitiful old man trying to go back in life and re-make his life ..and i see someone so selfish ..he will cheat those children of a real father..


it reminded me of a colleague of my hubby and i ..who recently said how jealous he is of my hubby and i because we are now free to travel and enjoy life to the fullest ..having raised our children and educated them..this man has his trophy wife..and he is now strapped down raising his second family..and instead of being free to do what he wants... he has a 8 year old and is doing homework every night..and can't do anything that those in their twilight should be enjoying!

i truely think it is sad..but more sad for the children.

fly

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 12:11 PM
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25. That statement made me heave.
:puke:
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