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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:35 AM Original message |
shouldn't fathers teach their sons not to murder if their girlfriend leaves |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. yes, and not to murder anyone else, too. |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. I haven't seen any evidence |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. I don' think it's usual. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. maybe even millions. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. yeah. My first guess was millions but then I'm not sure what the population of young men |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Yeah but unfortunately a lot of people with this control freak attitude |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. Yup, my ex husband ran into that problem |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
5. A lot of boys grow up without good male role models |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. cops go on domestic abuse calls more then any other |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
7. What fathers? |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
9. Fathers teach their sons to murder? |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. no, he talks about how to deal with rejection, unrequited love/lust |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. You seem to think violence is the default and boys need to be told to not do it. |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Why so defensive? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Because I think illogical propositions need to be addressed and corrected. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. it's not the norm |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. I give up |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
10. Dad never had to tell me it was wrong to murder people |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
14. perhaps a mandatory class in H.S. teaching how to handle rejection & loss |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. That is the crux |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. ANY teacher who dared to broach that subject would be accused |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I would, frankly, prefer that HS teachers not be in the business of teaching about |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. the personal is political - HS should do more then cold information |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. a CLASS? are you kidding? so this is about a jobs program for teachers? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. and by parents teaching their kids that they are NOT the center of the universe |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
15. We are all taught that violence is the way to handle our problems. From the death |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
16. Our society places way too much value on having the affection of a woman |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
17. I don't get it |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. "Modern" society teaches many young folks that everything's about THEM |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. Ding! ding! ding! ding! We have a winnah! n/t |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. If it really taught them that it was all about THEM they wouldn't give a shit about other's opinions |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. yes, I think it's about 'ownership'. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's not "usual." And it's been in a long-term decline. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. did you read your link, perchance? |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. Why, yes I did. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
24. Should we require fathers teach certain things? And how? |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
52. well some one didn't teach him how to handle rejection |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Those are both your assumptions. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. how would this conversation work? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
29. My stepfather was an excellent role model, taught me non-violence |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
31. Correction: they do not commit violence for lust or love |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
32. mother's teach their sons this too! |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
35. You think it might help if the Mothers, GrandFathers, or |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
37. I don't think we can blame this type of behavior on fathers or |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
38. Realistic, but unsatisfying answers. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
40. What do mothers teach? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
42. What about single mothers? Are they exempt from teaching sons this? |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
43. simple lesson for all children: violence does not solve problems. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
44. Males AND females should be taught that companionship is NOT an entitlement. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
45. Sure. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
46. That's one hell of an implicit assumption you've got there... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
48. It's not usual, nor is it particularly new |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
50. A very good book about male violence is "Boys Will Be Boys: Breaking the Link Between Masculinity |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. thank you |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
54. That's what I taught my boys. |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
55. Absolutely not! |
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LSdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
56. If it was remotely "usual" for men to murder/abuse women who left them, |
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KeineAhnung (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
58. Not non-violence |
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