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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:35 AM Original message |
OK, I don't get it. Why are the Congressional Democrats wrong on this FISA thing? |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. I dont get it either...to me this is a step in the right direction. n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. Like my 10 year old, many have a Google mindset. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. Some people are always looking for the clouds, even on a sunny day |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. that is one awkward legislative title. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. If that's the worst part of it, |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
75. Here It Is: The Full FISA Legislation = on TPM |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. uh oh. I may have gone off half cocked, |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. It sounds like it's being spun, and not by Democrats |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I agree. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. My reaction as well--the headline is VERY, VERY misleading. nt |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Right here |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Not crazy--dizzy from all the spin in that article. So am I. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Or 4. somebody was just too damn lazy to do the homework |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I don't think Will's tired or crazy--I think the Times piece is really, really badly written. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Could ThinkProgress be talking about the Senate version |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I was referring to the spin that this represents a Dem cave |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. In my roundabout way, I was agreeing with you. The spin is dizzying as hell. |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
8. *shrug* I guess I must be missing something, as well. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
10. Jerking knees. |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
77. Yup |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
13. I'm concerned about that retroactive immunity that the telecom companies |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:59 AM Original message |
Well... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
18. This paragraph, from the Times piece, seems to contradict what I'm reading elsewhere: |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
69. The NYT has been "playing us" since at least 2003. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
20. I 'get' that, but what would Rockefeller be compromising on? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. The Times piece is just confusing, period. Very poorly edited, for one thing. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
79. From here |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
49. What a lot of us are (understandably) missing--the immunity clause affects |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
14. Glenn Greenwald's take here on babylonsister's thread: |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. excellent analysis as usual from Glenn--all is not lost! |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. FISA Court Oversight is what matters most |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. I know--it's practically hopeless, since they seem to wiggle out no matter what |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
16. The law is sunsetting. The Dems can sit on it and not bring to the floor |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I don't think so. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. In regard to the original FISA, I believe it was Bruce Fein who |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
22. according to the Times |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. That's just DEAD FUCKING WRONG. |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
26. You wanna know what you're missing? Try this: |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Yup. Just got the ACLU notice. |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Ok, we're cool. I hope this law is improved. I really do. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Oh, those assholes learned how to get it done a few months ago. |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Wouldn't shock me if they did that again. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. thanks for the info n/t |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
27. If this aspect of the bill survives, the world will shift on its axis: |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Seems to me this is the provision that the Left is objecting to, but it's actually a GOOD thing. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Indeed. That Times article was a masterpiece of gibberish. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Why are our very own not getting the telecom provision? I see that as |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
28. Baltimore Sun has a different take - they think the Dems have been outwitted again. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
33. "Conyers: "I'm Proud" of Dem Surveillance Bill" (TPM 10/09) On immunity, below: |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
35. this needs to get on the greatest page..K&R |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
39. K & R. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
40. I'll go with the ACLU on this one: bad and dangerous law. nt. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. What is the basis of your opinion? |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. ACLU action campaign |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. WP posted that upthread and asked you specifically what |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Uh - did you read it? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I don't need paraphrasing. I'd like a reasoned critique. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Why would I do better than those smart folks at the ACLU? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Funny. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
41. Politics as usual. Next question? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. That's just a shortcut to thinking. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. It's a shortcut to thinking differently than you do. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
48. This article may be confusing everyone: |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Indeed it is--was it deliberate, I wonder? nt |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
50. NYT article was confusing. Hopefully, people will realize that and wait to see what happens. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
60. are people here not reading the ACLU statement on why this is BAD? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
62. This is all I need to read. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
63. It takes oversight responsibilities away from Congress and gives them to DOJ. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. How so? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I got it from radio today... I think the Ed Schultz show. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Read the stuff posted above. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You may be hearing crosstalk in regards to the Senate and House versions, |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Per Caroline Fredrickson (ACLU) interview with Randi Rhodes: |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
65. Nothing. I doubt the Justice Department is going to comply though. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
70. I object to Senate Democrat talk about immunity for AT&T and Verizon. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. See post 27 and subthread. nt |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
72. Thom Hartmann talked about this today - believes Progressive Dems got a lot of what they wanted |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
73. 'Triangulation' |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
74. Because there is no need for any new law. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
76. A possible false assumption in discourse on FISA. Was ALL communication illegally captured? |
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Oilwellian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
78. Update on TPM - Behind The Scenes, Liberals Ponder Supporting FISA Legislation |
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Theduckno2 (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:25 AM Response to Original message |
80. Thanks for posting this. I must admit the NY Times article had me going. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
81. Watch Bruce Fein and KO |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
82. TPM: McConnell Not So Hot on Dem FISA Bill |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
83. TPM: Hoyer: Info for granting U.S. telecommunications companies retroactive legal immunity |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
86. This is the House bill. People are worried about the Senate version |
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