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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 02:54 PM
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Wes Clark: Support Hillary's Position on Iran
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 02:58 PM by ProSense

Gen. Wesley Clark| BIO

I Support Hillary's Position on Iran

Posted October 4, 2007 | 03:21 PM (EST)

Like many of you, I am concerned about what I am reading and hearing about the apparent interest in parts of the Bush White House to go to war against Iran. And like you, I believe that we Democrats must do everything we can to prevent Bush and Cheney from sending this country into another preemptive war. (I invite you to visit my website StopIranWar.com)

Fortunately, Hillary Clinton has been on the front lines in opposing any effort by the Bush administration to sidestep the Congress. Eight months ago, she took to the Senate floor to warn the President that he could not attack Iran without specific congressional authorization. She said then, long before other members of Congress stood up, "If the administration believes that any, any use of force against Iran is necessary the President must come to Congress to seek that authority."

Last week, Hillary voted for a non-binding resolution that designates the odious Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization in order to strengthen our diplomatic hand. On Monday, she joined Senator Jim Webb in co-sponsoring a bill that would prohibit the use of funds for military action in Iran without specific authorization by Congress.

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Does anyone know if the U.S. has declared Pakistan's military as a terrorist organization?

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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 02:55 PM
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1. bravo Gen. Clark. nt.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:02 PM
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3. Bravo! Bush can only bomb Iran with Congressional approval, and
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 03:03 PM by ProSense
members of Congress (including Hillary Clinton) already showed their resolve by voting for a crazy amendment to label the military of another country (in hypocritical fashion) as a terrorist organization.

Given that Bush illegally invaded Iraq, maybe Iran should return the favor.


Edited for clarity
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 02:55 PM
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2. All I can say is I hope he's her Veep choice.
She won't win Arkansas without him.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:10 PM
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8. That is not true. She does not need Clark to win there. 8/17/07
New York Senator Hillary Clinton was First Lady of Arkansas before she was First Lady of the United States. That background puts her in a good position to capture the six Electoral College votes Arkansas will cast in Election 2008.

Clinton leads all Republican challengers in Arkansas by huge double digit margins. The closest GOP hopeful is Rudy Giuliani, but he trails Clinton by eighteen percentage points, 55% to 37%. Clinton leads Fred Thompson by nineteen points (55% to 36%), John McCain by 23 points (56% to 33%), and Mitt Romney by 32 points (60% to 32%).

snip
Overall, 65% of Arkansas voters have a favorable opinion of Clinton while 33% say the opposite.

None of the Republicans come close. Giuliani is viewed favorably by 48%, Thompson by 42%, McCain by 38%, and Romney by 32%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/clinton_enjoys_big_lead_in_arkansas
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:03 PM
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4. Voted for Lieberman/Kyl to strengthen our diplomatic hand?
General Clark, you can't be serious. And, it's NOT Hillary's bill...it's Jim Webb's...she glommed onto it to try and deflect criticism for her yes vote on Lieberman/Kyl.

Puke in a bucket.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:08 PM
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5. That really disappoints me ...I have great respect for Clark, but
do not like this at all...I guess the DLC has them all by the balls..
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:09 PM
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6. I respect Clark.
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 03:39 PM by AX10
I do not like Ahmenijad, but I do not want a war with Iran. The watered down Kyl/Lieberman amendment could open the door to military action against Iran.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:09 PM
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7. So that's what it was? Strengthening our diplomatic hand? I don't see any diplomacy. nt
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 08:32 PM
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18. I promise not to linger in this thread, but one comment b4 I depart
The penalties for aiding a terrorist organization are severe and any companies that were doing business with and helping the covert operations they were undertaking will surely reconsider at this point. It most definitely strengthens the hand of the US at the negotiating table. And since Iran was blowing us off it is exactly the type of diplomacy that was needed.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:11 PM
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9. Pakistan? Our allies?
Surely you jest.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:13 PM
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10. Clark Jumps the Shark...
Film at eleven.


TC


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:14 PM
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11. WITH. ANY. OTHER. PRESIDENT. (Maybe) But NOT this one; hell no.
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 03:18 PM by blondeatlast
But not this one, no, no, no. I'll take antacids and bring a perfumed hankie into the booth with me if I must, but ANY Dem's K/L "aye" vote is inexcusable to me.

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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:00 PM
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12. That's it. I've lost all respect for Clark.
WTF!! It's like 2002/2003 all over again.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 08:29 PM
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17. Ditto
Who's he shitting now? Some grandmother in Nebraska that likes that "nice gal" Hillary? Strengthening our diplomatic hand? BWWWAAAAH.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:13 PM
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13. Doesn't surprise me. Clark was on the board of NED
National Endowment for Democracy

Back to the future
Bill Berkowitz - WorkingForChange

07.27.01 - Until I read an item at MediaTransparency.com about the election of former Congressman Vin Weber as Chairman of its Board, I didn't realize the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) was still in business.

~snip~

The NED functions as a full-service infrastructure building clearinghouse. It provides money, technical support, supplies, training programs, media know-how, public relations assistance and state-of-the-art equipment to select political groups, civic organizations, labor unions, dissident movements, student groups, book publishers, newspapers, and other media. It's aim is to destabilize progressive movements, particularly those with a socialist or democratic socialist bent.

The organization's Board of Directors is a collection of high-powered inside the beltway, longtime foreign policy "experts." In February, six new members were elected to the board: Frank Carlucci, current chairman of the Carlyle Group, a banking firm, and former Secretary of Defense and National Security Advisor in the Reagan Administration; General Wesley K. Clark (U.S. Army Ret.), currently associated the Stephens Group, a venture capital outfit, and former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe and Commander in Chief; Julia Finley, a Republican Party activist working on NATO expansion issues; Francis Fukuyama, political scientist and author of, most notably, "The End of History"; Richard C. Holbrooke, outgoing U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations; and Weber.

~snip~


http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=11645

More here: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:k3g7w7TqwrsJ:www.mediatransparency.org/recipientprofile.php%3FrecipientID%3D251+national+endowment+for+democracy+wes+clark&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us



Catalyst for Iranian Resistance
US “democracy promoters” and regime change in Iran

~snip~

NED’s Work in Iran Post-2004

Since 2004, five other groups, not mentioned in the preceding discussion, have also received NED money, they are the Vital Voices Global Partnership, the Institute of World Affairs, and three of the NED’s four core grantees, the American Center for International Labor Solidarity, the Center for the International Private Enterprise, and the International Republican Institute.

In 2004, Vital Voices Global Partnership received $40,500 to “conduct a leadership training-of-trainers seminar in Washington, DC for five emerging women leaders” to help “improve the political, economic and social status of Iranian women.” The three honorary chairs of the partnership include former First Lady Hillary Clinton, and two US senators, Kay Hutchison (R-TX) and Nancy Baker (R-KS). <32> This in itself is a case in point as, who else could promote democracy better than a bona fide Democrat like Ms. Clinton? Likewise, in 2004, the Center for the International Private Enterprise received $56,000 to “inject the voice of business into the reform debate in Iran.”

~snip~


http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=11670


August 4 , 2005

The N.E.D's Latest Front Group
Inside Bush's "World Movement for Democracy"
By TOM BARRY
The “world’s democratic movement” is not another one of the transnational citizens’ movements, like the anti-globalization or anti-war movements, that prides itself on having no central structure, no dogma, or even an office.

This movement is highly organized, better funded, and even has its own “secretariat.” Unlike other leaderless but world-shaking transnational citizens’ networks that emerged after the end of the Cold War, the “world’s democratic movement” is not a product of global civil society but a quasi-governmental initiative based in Washington, DC.

Carl Gershman, the longtime president of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) where the movement is headquartered, says that the U.S.-government-backed World Movement for Democracy is “an imaginative new mechanism that can facilitate networking, sharing, and solidarity among democrats around the world.”

The leading voice of this “movement” is President George W. Bush. Celebrating the 20th anniversary of the neoconservative-led National Endowment for Democracy on November 6, 2003, President Bush said, “We’ve reached another great turning point , and the resolve we will show will shape the next stage of the world democratic movement.”

Whereas the democratization strategy that President Ronald Reagan launched in 1982-83 targeted the Soviet Union and its “evil empire,” Bush has said that his administration’s democratization initiative would focus first on the Middle East, and that the “establishment of a free Iraq will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution.”


http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/175
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 07:19 PM
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14. Kick! n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 07:20 PM
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15. What do you expect of a former General Officer? ... oh but he's so smart.
Clark's no better than anyone else who's deep down ---> PRO-WAR. :thumbsdown:
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 08:19 PM
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16. Confirms my argument for her vote
And to anyone who differs with Clark, I think his credentials and experience in foreign affairs means it is worth reconsidering your opinion on the castrated Kyl Leiberman resolution.
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