Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

How Rudy Giuliani may actually save America. No, really.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 07:51 AM
Original message
How Rudy Giuliani may actually save America. No, really.
I've been thinking about the GOP presidential hopefuls and what their chances are in general...and no, I haven't been licking psychedelic toads again. Much.

*hic* :)

Anyway...

McCain...his numbers are improving a bit of late, but he has no dough and might have actually gone crazy somewhere along the line, thus fulfilling the Bush/Rove smear-job from the South Carolina primary in 2000...

...ya know, the primary when Rove & Co. spread rumors of McCain having sired illegitimate children, and Black ones to boot, that his wife was a drug addict, and that he aided his Vietnamese captors while imprisoned in Hanoi...

...gross, yes, but ask yourself what is worse: those smears, or the fact that McCain voluntarily embraced and supported the people who attacked him and his family with those smears? Hm...brutal insults, or craven lickspittle shamelessness? Three guesses, and the first two don't count.

Nah. Maybe an outside chance at a VP nod, but he'll be broke by February 5th, if he lasts that long...which will free up his calendar for plenty of calm, perferctly safe strolls through any number of Baghdad markets...as long as the batallion has spare time to give him defensive cover.

Thompson...sorry, but I dig several of his movies, to be fully honest. Chief of Staff in "In the Line of Fire," CIA Director in "No Way Out," hard-ass Admiral in "Hunt for Red October," small bit in "Cape Fear," and though I am a full-blown fan of Law and Order, ol' Fred will just never quite live up to Adam Schiff, as far as I'm concerned...

...huh? Oh, right, politics. Short and sweet: Fred isn't too bright. He has said out loud and near people who wrote it down that there is no global warming, it's just that the solar system is heating up. He wants to blockade Iran, which is bordered by five different nations. He said just yesterday that Iraq had WMD, which means he missed the memo (dated April 2002), or got it and didn't bother to read it, because on top of being kinda dim, he's also pretty lazy.

Also, he lobbied in favor of the 1982 savings-and-loan deregulation bill that basically shattered the S&L phenomenon; lobbied in favor of pro-choice positions depite his 86.1 conservative rating; and also did some legal work on behalf of the Lybian intelligence officers charged with blowing up Pan Am 103...

Did I mention that he's not so bright?

Mitt...um...no. He's a chin without any real record, a haircut who pretty much did nothing at all while governor of Massachusetts (which is OK by me and also a MA tradition; we elect GOP governors to keep the Cambridge hippies from running amok, and the House Speaker, Senate president, SecState, Police Chief, and Mayor of Boston pretty much run everything...poorly, to be sure, but it sure saved Mitt the hassle of, like, actually governing and stuff).

And then there's Rudy...who has tapped a Podhoretz to be his chief foreign policy advisor, yeah, that Podhoretz, who said the Iraq war was about the internal reformation and modernization of Islam, who just recently begged George to bomb Iran, and who has basically been wrong more often and more dangerously than any three people you can name...unless you say Kristol Kristol Kristol really fast.

That, more than anything else one could say about the Rudester, proves to me that he is the absolute comprehensive full-blown astonishing total and complete definition of the wrong man for any job that might put him within 5,000 miles of any White House anywhere. Period. Podhoretz...gad zooks.

But Rudy might save America.

Seriously.

How?

OK...

McCain championed an immigration bill despised by the GOP base, championed campaign finance reform that was despised by the base, and dared to challenge George in 2000, which the base still remembers...and her's going to be broke soon, and has no chance.

Fred isn't ready for prime time, and while his well-trained vocal chords will carry him for a while, the first time he has to debate will be a debacle. The solar system is warming, remember. Also, his Lybian/anti-fetus lobbying record won't help much, kinda.

Mitt, whatever else is wrong or right with him, is a Mormon. As far as the GOP base is concerned, that means he's a devil-spawn cultist freak satanic evil fiend...which is kinda funny, since the GOP base is pretty much a cult as well. In any event, he's doomed.

But Rudy...Rudy...

Rudy is more despised by the GOP base than those three combined. He's been pro-choice for years and just recently experienced some sudden change of heart or something. He's a gun-grabber, too, and has been married several times, and is essentially a Northeastern liberal by the base's standards...a little bit Kerry and a little bit Cuomo, but all wrong in the eyes of the GOP base.

Here's the thing.

The lack of base support will be terminal for McCain, Mitt and Fred...but Rudy can survive it. He has name recognition, the 9/11 crap-lore invented around him, and the fact that Podhoretz slithered into his camp indicates that the RNC infrastructure is working on his behalf.

Rudy can save America...by winning the GOP nomination.

If he wins the nomination, he will do so despite being universally loathed by the GOP base...which has been the most dependable and effective voting bloc in recent American political history. They have owned every GOP president after Ford, and when they abandoned Bush Sr. in '92, it cost him the race. The GOP base has pretty much been the center of policy/political gravity in America for years now. They are why we're in Iraq, why there's so much mayhem loose in the land, and why it never seems to stop.

It doesn't stop because that base is still in control of the GOP.

But if Rudy gets the nomination, it will break the stranglehold that base has had on the GOP since 1980. Real Republicans - whom I disagree with but am not terrified of, because they can be reasoned with - will have the chance to re-take their party and banish the Jesus-shouters from power.

THAT would be an amazing and wonderful service to the present and future of America.

...and then, of course, Rudy would lose in the General election and slink off into the night, having done two grand services for the nation: 1. Remove the Christo-fascists from the GOP control room; and 2. Lose to a Democrat.

Plenty of "maybe's" and "no way's" in there, of course.

But I do like the idea.

Go Rudy.

;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 07:57 AM
Response to Original message
1. Your text to (your chosen spiritual/mythological divinity), Will.
I hope you are right and I DEARLY hope that the wacko RRR will not support Ghoul9/11 and run a parallel campaign.

If nothing else, the runup to the R primes is becoming very entertaining.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:07 AM
Response to Original message
2. As usual..My Fellow Vulcan...Your Logic is Impeccable.
I totally agree. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:10 AM
Response to Original message
3. I have been thinking along these lines.
Rudi certainly appears to be the nominee at this point and as you say there is just no way in hell the base will swallow him. I hear there are pictures of him in drag waiting to be splashed all over the headlines.

Add to that the fact that in a general he would actually have to debate instead of sneer from the sidelines and I don't think he will stand a chance in hell of getting elected.

It could be the straw that breaks the camels back if it hasn't broken already.

Having said that, I think we are seeing something of the same scenario being played out on our side with the hilary inevitability and the pelosi refusals to fight the president. Our base is becoming disillusioned as well and a hilary nomination may have exactly the same effect on our side as a guliani one does on theirs.

I think there is enough iraq war disillusionment on both sides to ensure a democrat taking the white house no matter who the nominees are.It will be interesting to watch this one play out to be sure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Hillary has the easiest path to victory of any candidate, D or R.
Lotsa money.

Bunkered-in infrastructure and contacts in all the Gore 2000 states.

NH has become a Dem state...voted D in '04 for the first time since '46, dumped Bass in '06, and will dump Sununu for Shaheen in '08.

Gore 2000 states + NH = done, thanks, turn out the lights when you leave.

Also, turnout will be huge because of the 22 GOP Senators running for their lives in '08.

(the wrinkle may be PA, but that remains to be seen)

So.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. I don't dispute her ability to win
In fact therein lies part of the problem. I don't think we can lose this time. Aside from declaring jesus christ hitler I think we are pretty much a shoe in for the presidency.

The republican field is just that bad.

So if we have a give me in all effects, why are we not taking the candidate that most represents our base ? Hell our second tier wipes the floor with their first tier IMHO.

You cant possibly deny there is a lot of unease in our base with the prospect of a hilary presidency. So much so that people are seriously considering splintering from the party.

I think this will be an interesting election all around and I think that a Hilary/guliani nomination quite possibly can save america as it might finally break the stranglehold of the two party system.

Just saying the conditions you set forth of the Guliani situation are echoed remarkably well by our own Hilary situation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. I feel OK for a lot of reasons
More than any other, I'm OK because I really think we're going to pick up a shitload of Senate seats...maybe enough for automatic veto-override power.

If so, it doesn't matter if Ratso Rizzo or the ghost of Steve McQueen win the Oval. The Senate will govern, and will be led by fellows like Teddy K., and will set the bar for new SCOTUS nominees, and if the new president doesn't like it, he/she can go pound sand.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. What??
No way are the dems gonna make it to 67 in the Senate, but I do think that we'll see 55-57. And an increase in the House as well, and that will make a big difference.

As for your OP, largely agree; the most interesting question to me, is if the repukes split apart, what form will the repub party take?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. 22 GOP Senators running + Virginia and Idaho
Dare to dream.

We will pick up waaaaaaaaaaay more than 4 or 5.

Bank it.

For example, we'll probably bag Virginia, couertesy of Mark Warner. That's just for starters.

Remember, we beat Conrad Freakin' Burns in Montana last year.

Yeah.

:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #7
11. Wasn't meant to be alarmist.
I don't think a hilary presidency will be the end of the world by any means. Its not my first choice to be sure. However I am sure there will be a lot of good mixed with the bad that I feel will also come with it.

I am more interested in the little sub plots that will play out on both sides. I find it all very entertaining. Even though at times it can also be horrifying.

Its the impact that both of their nominations will have on their parties in general that intrigues me. Not really the outcome of the election.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. Thank you. You just de-bunked the "Vote for the Dem nominee because of SCOTUS" argument.
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. Well, since you'll be voting for Dem Senators, you might as well keep the theme
And, um, 1. don't give anything I say such instant weight, and 2. um, it'll still be vastly preferrable to have a Dem president involved in the nomination process...duh.

But I think maybe you didn't need any reason to not vote Dem. Cool enough.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. Not if the Dem President is a corporatist -- we already --NOW --have a pro-business SCOTUS. Duh nt
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 09:02 AM by antigop
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
16. But wouldn't ya druther it be Edwards?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. No comment.
I am NOT choosing sides yet...or maybe ever.

Too much yelling.

:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. Are you gonna work for Dennis?
He is actually my favorite.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. Not gonna work for anyone except truthout.
Dennis has his crew already, anyway. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. I agree with you about not choosing sides yet
I think we Dems are really fortunate to have so many good candidates.

There is no way the country won't be better off than it is now if the worst Dem candidate becomes president.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. Not if the "worst Dem candidate" shits on workers. The country will not be better off.
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 09:29 AM by antigop
I really don't know what people don't understand about the outsourcing/h1-b visa issue.

These people have lost their jobs, their livelihoods. THEIR LIVES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED.

More of the same is not going to "help the country".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. I don't think any Dem president
will ignore the plight of U.S. workers.

Ironically, there is another thread on DU discussing the impact of the falling dollar on outsourcing to India. Because the dollar doesn't buy as much as it once did, workers in India are asking for a raise, this increasing the costs to the U.S. companies who had outsourced jobs there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. oh, please! Did you miss these videos?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #6
17. I agree -- workers who have lost their jobs to outsourcing/ h1-b visas sure as hell won't vote..
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 09:10 AM by antigop
for a Dem candidate that supports these loss of jobs.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #6
27. If we are having a Hoover moment, then we put in an FDR, not a corporatist. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:25 AM
Response to Original message
5. Rudy's A Gift That Keeps On Giving
A couple weeks ago I had dinner with an old school friend and her husband in suburban Philly...the topic turned to politics and this dude, who claims he's independent, blurted out that "Hillary is un-electable, Rudy's gonna clean her clock". After I removed the food I spewed on my shirt from laughing so hard I wanted to find out his logic. He started by bashing Hillary and I stopped him on the talking points and re-directed him to explain to me why Rudy's so electable. That's where the fun began. He started with the 9/11 crap and all I needed to do is point out the location of the Command center in Building 7 and he then turned to how Rudy's a "real leader"...and a "man of principals". I then asked him if we should ask his past wives about that issue. Next. Finally he said that Rudy would be the only candidate that could bring the GOOP together...especially if Hillary's the nomination...nothing brings Repugnicans together better than a good hate. I then asked him about problems he may face with the Fundies...he dismissed it as "they'll come running back when they see Hillary as the nominee".

I long ago predicted the GOOP would splinter in this primary season. The pronouncement the other day by Perkins and Dobson threateneing to go their own way is right on time. No matter how us Democrats are split on our choices right now, our fundamental causes remain strong as well as our anger and frustration against the last 7 years of a criminal regime, 14 years of GOOP corruption in the House & Senate and the decades long propaganda war conducted by the "Mighty Wurlitzer". Rudy is the one who will drive the biggest spike as the 75% or more of his corrupt party that aren't supporting him will be looking elsewhere next year for a "messiah" and either will glam onto a Ron Paul (who I still predict will bolt the party and return to his Libertarian Party) or a Perot "Reform" candidate...like a Gingrich...who will burn down the "village" in order to save it. I'd love to see that confrontation.

One last factor is this regime has no heir apparent and looks like boooosh/cheney's endorsement is a kiss of death. When Thompson flames out (if he hasn't already), McCain shoots himself in the foot again and Mittens "magic underware" makes him toxic in the South, Rudy will be the "great white hope"...we'll see Repugnicans staying at home...not getting on those Rovian church busses.

As you say...GO RUDY!!!

Cheers...

:toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:46 AM
Response to Original message
8. I agree except for one variable: shit happens.
I remember similar thinking in 2000 that if * were the nominee, Gore had an unimpeded path the White House. And we all know how that turned out, expected consequences.

I couldn't bear to have four to eight years of Rudy controlling our domestic agenda as well as foreign policy. He ran New York City like a police state. To have him in charge of each and every one of us, no!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:47 AM
Response to Original message
9. While I truly hope that the current GOP is in its last throes, I don't know if I can stomach
Rudy through another year's long campaign.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:42 AM
Response to Original message
22. The Jesus-lovers wouldn't have anywhere to go if they lost their grip on the GOP.
Maybe they'd leave the country? :bounce:

Go to Israel? :scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:46 AM
Response to Original message
25. Yes, but what if the machines are still rigged and Rudy gets "selected?"
We can't count on the fact that the votes will be actually counted and reported. We have to fight for that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #25
36. Thank you, yardwork: You're absolutely correct. The machines are STILL rigged.
And the voting machines are still owned by the goop, as is the media. I foresee that the media spinners will start talking about "what a tight race" it all is within the next few months, and they'll point to some big made-up scandal that is hitting the dems, even if there is no such thing.

:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:47 AM
Response to Original message
26. I Would Prefer a Different Scenario
Huckabee or Brownback, the whackiest of the whackjobs, get the nom, and get their asses kicked in the general election. I believe this would result in a more permanent banishment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #26
31. If Rudy gets nominated, I'm betting Huckabee will be his VP pick
makes the most sense. Huckabee speaks the base's language.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. But I don't think that would help us, then, would it?
I can see the on-beyond-zebra wacko RW abandoning the ticket, but even the not OBZ wacko RW will understand the need to elect any Republican.

I'd love to see a Ghoul9/11-Romney ticket. I think James Dobson might shit a brick right there on the air--maybe even on Hardball. :rofl::rofl::rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
40. Great
Reagan and Bush I, Mach II. Only in reverse.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:47 AM
Response to Original message
28. One flaw in this logic
If the Christo-fascists send him home, aren't they still "in the control room"?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #28
30. Nope
In the space between the convention and the vote, there will (maybe) be a wild bloodletting...and when the base stays home on election day, the party chiefs will slam the door. From then on, the chiefs'll just be venal profiteers, instead of venal profiteers spewing quasi-religious hypocrisies to keep the base mesmerized and dumb.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. So what's the result then, two rightwing parties?
I think that as soon as they become two, we become two. Look at us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. The fundy wing of the base really wasn't political until the early 80's
They might just go back to being piously uninvolved.

The GOP will never allow Roe v. Wade to be overturned...because that would shatter their best fundraising carrot. The base may have figured this out, now that seven years have passed with no action on that front.

Better to be uninvolved and free than involved and used like a snot-rag.

Who knows? It'll do what it'll do. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #33
42. Involved and used like a snot-rag sounds quite a bit like the Dem base as well
Haven't you noticed the contempt that the corporate Dems have for their doorbellers and phonebankers? I even wish they'd be more like Republicans--it actually requires investigative journalism (Chris Kuo) to document the have-mores' contempt for the Bible-thumpers. No such luck with the elite Dem base hating--you see it it congressional resolutions and on every Sunday talk show.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 10:17 AM
Response to Original message
35. Did you call me?
If Rudy wins the nomination, I'd like to think any of the top 4 dem candidates would win. Christian conservatives (most-likely) won't vote for him and the 20% of Republicans who have realized the err of their ways the past 2 elections will not want to 'settle' as they have done when they voted for W. That 20% will be looking for an alternative to the sad line-up they have. It will be up to us, in our primaries, to send someone who will be the perfect candidate for the majority of Americans. That person will truly be assigned to Save America.

(When I came up with this user name, never did I think it would be used in the same sentence with anyone remotely like Rudy NineEleviani).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:33 PM
Response to Original message
37. Gun grabbin'
rude boy! I like it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
38. Rudy will win both the primary and the General. Why?
911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911!911! ......that's why!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
39. Time for some cold water!
Son, I think you done licked all the green offa them psycho-deelic toady frogs. Poor little critters gotta run around all pasty-pale.

Seriously, people have been expecting the GOP base - especially the fundies - to self-destruct for decades and it hasn't happened. Every time there's been a major downfall - remember Dick Nixon - the GOP has reconstructed itself within a few years. The elephant has been back from the dead more times than Dracula and the mummy put together!

Remember, there is some really big money funding the whole 'conservative' movement. The "Christian conservatives" aren't just backwoods preachers funded by little old ladies sending the money from their cookie jars. They're funded by right-wing billionaires, some of them Dominionist christians themselves. Mostly, the big rich cynically regard the red-state fundies as shock troops to be used against the liberals.

Plus the fact that the big rich still own most of our media and too much of our voting system.

Time to "take the bull by the horns, and face the facts in the face," as W.C. Fields put it. We're still in the fight of our lives and it's going to last the rest of our lives.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 05:09 PM
Response to Original message
41. . . . a chin without any real record . . . LOL
:rofl: Thanks, I needed that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 08:36 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC