Um, yeah, did you know that Iran's weapons producer has a website with mortars on it?

[originalpckelly]

And despite our criticism, they are dead ringers:




They aren't lying to us, but it should be noted that the markings are slightly different than usual.

[originalpckelly]

1. The tail pieces match:

Here are the tail pieces from the briefing, you will not the black metal that has holes in it:


That's a long range mortar.

[Monkeyman]

2. Iran puts English on the weapons they make Hmm

[originalpckelly]

3. They even have an english website, I found it in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Industries_Organization

[originalpckelly]

4. Here is the actual address for the website:

http://www.diomil.ir/en/aig.aspx

[Monkeyman]

7. hmmm so must of their Military Reads English

[Lerkfish]

10. wonder what the whois is for that website?

hmmmm

[originalpckelly]

12. I'll check it out, it is always possible that this could be a fake...

I'm going to check that now.

[originalpckelly]

14. Here is it's whois page from the Iranian whois site:

http://whois.nic.ir/cgi-bin/whois.pl?name=diomil.ir

[originalpckelly]

16. I found the WHOIS from this page:

http://www.iana.org/root-whois/ir.htm

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. Curious. An Iranian company, with its website in English.

And not only that, the I click the "Language Preference" link, and it says the Farsi sit is still under construction, as is the Arabic site.

Now, if you had a website, don't you reckon you'd create it in English, then translate to other languages if you wanted to reach those markets? Would you create your website in Russian, before the English version?

Something about this SCREAMS bullshit.

[roamer65]

21. Good eye! Yeah you're exactly right. I smell black ops.

[originalpckelly]

25. The whois checks out however.

So I don't know. Here is the Iranian Electronic Industries website:
http://www.ieimil.com/Main.aspx

It was designed by this company:
http://www.parsnemoodar.com/

I'm going to check the internet archive to see if this site is in there.

[originalpckelly]

26. Here is the internet archive's version of the site back in December of 2004:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041218034451/http://www.diomil.ir/

That's also in English. I wonder if this is really designed for external use. They even have a contact page, I'd call the number, but I don't want my phone bugged, nor do I want to pay for long distance to the I.R. of Iran. :rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. ZOMG! It's a perfect match! Let's bomb the shit out of them!

[SoCalDem]

6. STRIKE !!!

[dicknbush]

8. And how come there is no date on the mortars from the web site???

How convenient that a date shows up on the captured rounds. And why would they put a date on a mortatr round if they knew it was going to be sent over to Iraq and why woudln't they take it off and how do we know that the US didn't just paint over and put new markings on the rounds and what does a US mortar round look like? Just wondering!

[originalpckelly]

9. I agree. I think we still need to look around more, though the fuses...

are exactly identical, the markings use different fonts and have different information on them.

[originalpckelly]

11. Here is a picture of their 120mm mortars, they use the same dull gray fuses:

[roamer65]

13. oh...wow...so Iran makes and sells weapons abroad...

just like the United States does...geez...big surprise.:eyes:

Try again, neocons. We aren't buying it.

[Jacobin]

18. ding ding ding

The US, Israel, Russia, Iran and lots of other folks sell weapons to whoever has the cash.

I would love to see the Iraqis ramp this up by starting to holler about all the US weapons blowing their shit up and threaten to invade/bomb the US.

[roamer65]

22. ..yup and don't forget China.

[originalpckelly]

20. I agree...

just because those weapons are in Iraq, doesn't mean that they are there with the express permission of the Iranian government.

And even we assume they are there with the express permission of the Iranian government, it is not a justification to strike at Iran and make an already volatile situation even worse. In fact, after seeing the sophistication of Iranian weaponry, I am worried about the number of causalities there would be as a result of an Iranian retaliation against our soldiers. We need to do everything in our power to stop the neo-cons, they are going to blow this out of proportion.

[LSK]

31. now where would the "insurgents" get cash

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1522983,00.html

[keepCAblue]

45. Maybe from the unofficial sponsor of the 19 hijackers?

The Saudi Royals, perhaps, Bush' buds?

[nebenaube]

17. looks exactly like the one..

that I pulled out of Decatuer Lake in graf back in '74... (stupid act of an army brat) Thank god that guy on a Reforger Exercise with the 82nd removed the fuse before he tossed it into the lake. Big deal... ever seen one of ours?

[Graybeard]

19. So the Pentagon can buy this stuff and plant it as evidence...

...or they can replicate it. The only way I will believe that Iran is supplying Iraq is if a convoy of Iranian trucks is captured in Iraq. Iranian trucks with Iranian drivers who can be interviewed by our journalists! And even then this evidence should be used in talks with Iran not as an excuse to nuke them.

[originalpckelly]

29. That's a good point, quite frankly all we know is that they look similar...

and I wouldn't put it past our government to fake something like this. Though Michael Ware on CNN has some of the same tail pieces for the mortars.

[FogerRox]

23. Is this important?

These tail fins are rectangular






These tail fins are not rectangular, the have a sweptback shape.

[originalpckelly]

27. Good point, the black metal with holes in it is similar...

but the swept nature is different. I wonder if when the explosives are removed on the short range one, if it has those same type of hole on it.

[originalpckelly]

32. You know looking at the short range ones, they do have the same tail:

Like I said in the post above, I wonder if when you take those little round thingies off, if there are holes there.

[Bluebear]

24. Why is the whole website in English, with Farsi & Arabic "under construction"

Are they planning to sell a while lot of these in, say, New Zealand?

Also. The very name of the company: DIOMIL is taken from Defense Industries Organization and the word military. Why would an Iranian company use English to fashion their very company name?

[originalpckelly]

28. That's probably why this is in english...

However, I don't think it's possible to have a Farsi web address. In 2005 the site was under construction as well:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050203035253/http://www.diomil.ir/

[Bluebear]

30. "Diomil" still strikes me as remarkable. Why an English company name?

Weird.

[originalpckelly]

33. well, for the web they have to have an english name...

But I'm very cautious about all of this.

[LSK]

34. from pictures of Iran, it appears English is their 2nd language

[Tin Man]

54. Yes, english is the second language *of the world*

[originalpckelly]

36. Actually, it's from the Shah, I didn't pay attention to the Wiki entry...

he started "Military Industries Organization (MIO)" and DIO the modern version of the same company/organization.

I've heard that Iranians like western culture, I suppose you'd need to speak English in order to listen to music and etc. In fact, you might even learn English doing that.

And in their military establishment, English was probably needed to use the vast amounts of weapons we sold to the Shah. (Like F-14s.)

[originalpckelly]

38. Here is the Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Industries_Organization

And we might make sure to trace back all the IPs of those who edited the articles, to make sure they weren't from US military organizations.

[keepCAblue]

35. Iran exports arms to more than 50 countries, including 7 European nations

According to this thread:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95797

So who's to say Iran is selling the arms directly to Iraq insurgents -- any one or more of their 50 export buyers could be buying from Iran and reselling to the insurgents (if we are to beleive the BS being propagandized right now by the neocons)

[originalpckelly]

37. And I think that's where the BS comes in. How do we know their government directed arms sales?

The briefers are said to have used the idea that Iran's armaments are so strictly controlled that they couldn't be sold on the black market. I think we've just proved that wrong.

[originalpckelly]

40. Here is a Wikipedia article...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_military_industry

[merh]

39. A poster on another board disputes these as Iranian weaponry

Also, Iran gets its weapons, including mortars, from Russia. Russian mortars do NOT use 81MM rounds! They use 82mm.
AND, Modern Iran uses a solar Hijri calendar that is 621 years less than the Western solar calendar, so if this munition were really made in Iran. the date should read 1384 or 1385 (Wikipedia errs in showing it as 1427), rather than 2006! The reason for the uncertainty about those two dates is that the Iranian new year happens in our March. In any event, the numerals should be in Farsi. The letters in the center appear to be "HE". "High Explosive" is a common catagory of mortar shell. But "High Explosive" is English, not Farsi. The bovine excrement meter just exploded in flames. (But the steel frame is still standing.)

So are we being lied to?

[originalpckelly]

43. Well, I don't know look for yourself at this website, it has an Iranian registration...

and it's WHOIS entry checks out.

http://diomil.ir/en/amig.aspx

I went to the "Industries" menu, then selected "Ammunition", and then on the left hand side, I click the little plus sign next to "Mortar Bombs".

[merh]

53. I am not about to go playing around on an Iranian weapons

website, real or blackops created.

I posted good points made by another (like the calender comment).

[FogerRox]

59. I think "HE" goes back to WW2 IIRC

Most Sherman tanks had a 75mm Main Gun, a few, late in the war, known as Jumbo's had a 76mm w/HE rounds. Going by memory here, I didnt look it up.

[brettdale]

41. Why on the front page of thier webpage

Would they have Defensive industries organization written in English if they are from Iran?

[originalpckelly]

46. Your guess is as good as mine.

They supply a lot of countries (50 odd, if another DUer was right about it), and I guess English is a ligua-franca now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua-franca#English

[tex-wyo-dem]

42. Interesting, but doesn't prove a whole lot...

I'll assume for the moment that this is a real website from a real Iranian weapons manufacturer...

There are probably dozens of manufacturers of these types of weapons in a dozen different countries around the world that make mortars that look almost identical to these. It's fairly common practice for companies like this to copy U.S., British, Russian, etc. designs. It would be interesting to see one of these "Iranian mortars" side by side with a Russian one and see how similar in appearance they are. The point I'm trying to make is that unless there is something unique about the captured ordinance that confirms their origin, these mortars could come from several different countries.

Even if they are confirmed to be of Iranian origin, who's to say they haven't been bought and sold on the black market without knowledge of the Iranian government...a distinct possibility IMO.

[originalpckelly]

48. Yes, I think the last part of your post is probably correct...

because the fuses and everything look too similar.

But of course, we don't really know shit about this, we don't know where the weapons came from at all. I think you can tell our government is trying to make a case against Iran, because it has assumed things that it has no evidence for.

[tex-wyo-dem]

58. I don't know much about this either, but as you pointed out...

it's very obvious that Bushco has been trying to make the case against Iran for a long time. That coupled with the outright lying us into war with Iraq and I'm more than a little skeptical about any "intelligence" in favor of their wishes....call me a cynic :)

[brettdale]

44. I may of done a whois search wrong?? (so coreect me please)

It seems it was registered in - California - Palmdale - Interserver Inc.

[keepCAblue]

47. You need to query the Iran NIC

http://www.ouriran.com/whois.cfm

Results for diomil.ir

Here is the raw whois output for diomil.ir:

Note: this output has been filtered.

Information related to 'diomil.ir'

domain: diomil.ir
remarks: (Domain Holder) Moavenat Tejarat &Omoor Beynolmelal (sanayee defae)
remarks: (Domain Holder Address) Pasdaran St,Chahar Rah Pasdaran ,Sanayee Defae tehran, IR 1957975713
admin-c: nic6814h97
tech-c: nic6814h97
zone-c: nic6814h97
nserver: ns.isiran.com
nserver: ns2.isiran.com
source: NICIR # Filtered

person: Mehdi Taebi
remarks: ---
address: Isiran Ins., shahid langari st., nobonyad sq., pasdaran st., tehran, Iran.
e-mail: [e-mail]
phone: [phone]
fax-no: 22806725
nic-hdl: nic6814h97
source: NICIR # Filtered

[originalpckelly]

49. I wonder what the IP address is. I wonder if it would be possible to do a trace route on it?

I'm going to try that, because that would tell us where it is located geographically.

[originalpckelly]

51. The IP address of the site is: 81.28.32.46 it was a RIPE address...

I looked that up and this is what the RIPE Database gave me:
inetnum: 81.28.32.0 - 81.28.35.255
org: ORG-IA32-RIPE
netname: Institute-ISiran
descr: ISiran
descr: Access Service Provider
descr: Provider LIR
remarks: *****************************************
remarks: * Please send abuse reports to: *
remarks: * [e-mail] *
remarks: *************** *****************
country: IR
admin-c: MR3009-RIPE
tech-c: AS6010-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA "status:" definitions
mnt-by: INSTITUTE-ISIRAN-MNT
mnt-lower: INSTITUTE-ISIRAN-MNT
mnt-routes: INSTITUTE-ISIRAN-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

organisation: ORG-IA32-RIPE
org-name: IsIran
org-type: LIR
descr: Internet Connection Provider
remarks: *****************************************
remarks: * Please send abuse reports to: *
remarks: * [e-mail] *
remarks: *************** *****************
address: 34th Street, Hesaari St.Mirdamad St,Tehran
address: 15489
address: Tehran
address: Iran, Islamic Republic of
phone: [phone]
phone: [phone]
phone: [phone]
fax-no: [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]
e-mail: [e-mail]
e-mail: [e-mail]
admin-c: MR3009-RIPE
mnt-ref: INSTITUTE-ISIRAN-MNT
mnt-ref: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: Mohammad Razeghi
address: 34th Street, Hesaari St.,
address: Mirdamad St., Tehran.
address: Zip 15489
phone: [phone]
fax-no: [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]
nic-hdl: MR3009-RIPE
mnt-by: INSTITUTE-ISIRAN-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: Abbas Salehi
address: 34th Street, Hesaari St.,
address: Mirdamad St.,Zip 15489
address: Tehran,Iran
phone: [phone]
phone: [phone]
phone: [phone]
fax-no: [phone]
nic-hdl: AS6010-RIPE
e-mail: [e-mail]
e-mail: [e-mail]
e-mail: [e-mail]
e-mail: [e-mail]
mnt-by: MNT-ABBAS
source: RIPE # Filtered

Here is the original page with all the information:
http://www.ripe.net/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=81.28.32.46&do_search=Search

How useful having a NAT with a log is! :rofl:

[brettdale]

50. Yeah I got that thru another search

I just wondered why with my first search, I got a California address.

[sinkingfeeling]

52. They could have come from anywhere. I just googled and found

some from Macedonia that look like them.
http://www.eurokompozit.com.mk/mortar%20shell/mortar%20shells.htm

[originalpckelly]

56. The fuses look metallic on those...

not that nasty gray color on the Iranian ones.

[WillyT]

55. I Can't Ping It, Or Do A Tracert On It, But It Does Come Up As A Web Page !!!

:wtf:

Anbody know how this could be accomplished???

:shrug:

[originalpckelly]

57. I called CNN and gave them this as a tip.

I tried to explain it clearly.