Kucinich to Move Impeachment to House Floor?

[babylonsister]

Kucinich to Move Impeachment to House Floor?
Submitted by davidswanson on Thu, 2007-09-27 17:54. Impeachment

By Diane Lawrence

Dennis Kuicnich just said that he is considering introducing a "privileged resolution" for impeachment on the floor of the House. He was on the Ed Schultz Show.

- - that is all, so far - -

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27224

[superkia]

1. At least there is a candidate brave enough to speak for the people!

That is what makes someone presidential to me. Do they speak for the people or the corporations?

[wildbilln864]

4. Completely agree!

Kucinich/Edwards '08! :patriot:

[againes654]

10. Too bad

he is so unelectable huh :sarcasm:

[superkia]

12. When I hear that as a reason not to vote for him, it makes me sick.

Almost everyone on this board at some point has said I like this candidate but I would vote for any of our candidates because they would be so much better than any of the republicans. Or I hear that its almost a lock that a democrat will be president because of the republicans stand on war and the shape of the country. Can we not make up our mind or is it that Dennis Kucinich IS the better candidate, hes just not everyones FAVORITE. Hey if a democrat is definitely going to win, I want my candidate even if their not the best for the country, they are better than a republican? No wonder our country is in a downward spiral with this type of thinking. I hope more people wake up to what he could offer this country or at least wake up to what some others will do to this country.

[Norrin Radd]

45. Excellent point.

[Dr.Phool]

43. You mean I wasted the money I sent him last week?

Fuck it! I'll send him more this week.

[Sherman A1]

55. Agreed

Don't have a lot of cash, but he gets my money and vote in the primary. The General election I will vote for any Dem. I don't think it's all that complicated.

[bjobotts]

40. Secret war funding for Bush passed House/Senate. Kucinich only vote against.

Check this out from the nation magazine's John Nichols:

"...That means that, of the 2008 presidential candidates, only Republican Paul and Democrat Kucinich voted against giving the Bush administration a dramatic -- if not particularly well publicized -- infusion of new money for the war.

"Each year this war is getting more and more costly --- both in the amount of money spent and in the number of lives lost. Now this Congress is providing more funds so the administration can continue down a path of destruction and chaos," said Kucinich, who noted the essential role of House and Senate Democratic leaders, such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, in passing the continuing resolution. "The Democratic leadership in Congress needs to take a stand against this President and say they will not give him any more money. That is the only way to end this war and bring our troops home."

Approved $9billion and permission to tap into $90bil. bridge fund till budget approved. Kucinich and 13 dems in house voted against. Senate was 94-1 with Feingold being the one against. All presidential candidates did not vote except Kucinich. How much more convincing does it take to realize that Kucinich is the only candidate who will end the occupation. The others will keep it going for 10yrs or longer. Especially Clinton.
If Kucinich wins the primary he will be the next president. Make it happen for the only 'real' change.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

60. BushCo is taking us for all we're worth. ...and dems are letting them get away with it. ...n/t

[AllyCat]

80. My Senator!

:loveya: :hug:

[Freddie Stubbs]

87. If it is secrect, how do you know about it?

:shrug:

[Maraya1969]

46. I seriously seriously believe that if Kucinich brings up the impeachment

and others follow Pelosi will be relieved to not have to be the one to start it. I think she is too afraid and too entrenched but if enough members start to follow she will have no other choice but to join them. What would be her excuse then?

And besides we don't need her stinkin one vote anyway.

[lame54]

62. We have little time left

We should all call or e-mail Kucinich and urge him to do this now, as for Pelosi she is afraid she might actually have to occupy the whithouse and deal with the mess if they are impeached.

[Freddie Stubbs]

96. But will he actually do it?

:shrug:

[SlingBlade]

69. Amen to that brother

These asswipes are afraid of their own shadows.

[gateley]

74. Dennis always speaks for the people. Gravel, too. I think if Gravel were

in office, he'd be shaking up things as well.

[AllyCat]

79. Candidate? Heck, representative! He is actually doing his job

while he runs for office. His record is clear. He will end this war. Think of the lives saved, the torture ended, the nations that can rebuild after we've flattened them, the money staying in the US to rebuild our flattened nation.

Vote for him in the primary. He will win against any of these horrible Repukes. We don't have to accept the "big 3" if we don't want them!

[Freddie Stubbs]

110. Yes, he is brave enough to say that he is considering this

But is he brave enough to do it?

[snappyturtle]

2. My heart is racing! Pleasse tell me this is true......nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

97. Still not verified...

[KoKo]

3. Here's what I could find on Privileged Resolution:

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:KQ5Wjcu3FLEJ:www.inetresults.com/impeach/strategy.html+Privileged+Resolution&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=firefox-a

2. Rights of the House member Presenting a Privileged Impeachment Resolution.

A member submitting a privileged resolution, memorial or motion proposing impeachment is entitled to recognition for one hour in which to debate it. A member recognized to present a privileged resolution may not be taken from the floor by a motion to refer. IMPEACHMENT: Selected Materials p. 769 (Section 468). In order to secure this privilege of debate, however, the proposal must be put in writing and submitted to the Clerk of the House. Id. at pp. 770-71 (Section 470).

Once having submitted an impeachment resolution against a civil officer, then that member's high privilege has expired. Id. at pp. 769-70 (Section 469). This rule apparently does not apply if the member files an amended impeachment resolution containing new charges or other new matters. Id. at 767-69 (Section 468).
3. Disposition of a Privileged Impeachment Resolution.

Even when an impeachment resolution does not contain within it a referral to a committee for inquiry or investigation, it appears to be the normal procedure for such a resolution to be referred to an appropriate committee -- even when the resolution clearly has absolutely no support in the full House. IMPEACHMENT: Selected Materials pp. 769-70 (Section 469).

According to Jerome Zeifman, however, it is possible that such a resolution could be called up for an immediate vote; but that option appears to be within the control of the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader. See Zeifman, Without Honor: The Impeachment of Richard Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot pp. 46-47 (1995). Hence, Congressman Robert Drinan's Resolution impeaching Richard Nixon -- filed on July 31, 1973 when there was absolutely no sentiment for impeachment was referred to the House Judiciary Committee. Later, on October 23 and 24, 1973, when 84 such resolutions were introduced, all were referred to the Judiciary Committee.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:KQ5Wjcu3FLEJ:www.inetresults.com/impeach/strategy.html+Privileged+Resolution&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=firefox-ahttp://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:KQ5Wjcu3FLEJ:w

[RangerRK]

5. Today? Is anyone watching CSPAN?

DO IT DENNIS!!!!

[Freddie Stubbs]

108. So far nothing...

[rjones2818]

6. Way to go Dennis!

If the leadership blocks you, use the rules to go around them. Sure, it'll be buried, but perhaps some people will pay attention and work toward getting the impeachment resolution before the judiciary committee.

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!

[BlooInBloo]

7. Sweet! Quite the opposite of DiFi.

[Freddie Stubbs]

95. Senators cannot vote the impeach

DiFi is a Senator.

[porphyrian]

8. Oh, hell yeah. Do it. - n/t

[mikelgb]

9. when when I want to see that

youtube2du it somebody please

[ProSense]

11. Why is he considering it?

Why not just do it? In fact, why hasn't he done it already? Nine months ago would have been nice!

[druidity33]

19. i'd guess

he's been trying to build support for HR 333 (impeachment of Cheney) as it's eminently more sensible.

:shrug:

[ProSense]

22. Isn't that what everyone says about impeachment, they just don't have the support? n/t

[druidity33]

26. at least he crafted a bill... nt

[Prophet 451]

56. Because it's a very extreme step

As I understand it, it would be like invoking the Parliament Acts here (which allow legislation to bypass the Lords). It's an extreme step not to be taken lightly and mant to be used only for dire emergencies.

[Lucinda]

102. Seems like every couple of weeks we get a new post

saying that he's said he's considering it. Dunno if he's testing the waters or trying to push the house his way. It's confusing me. :)

[Akoto]

13. Considering, contemplating, thinking about, mulling over, threatening ...

When they finally do it, I'll actually be encouraged. Until then, it's just yet another suggestion to follow many before it.

[Breeze54]

14. Hey Dennis? Stop considering and just DO IT!!!

C'mon Dennis!! You're the only candidate with the balls to do it!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[KharmaTrain]

15. Dare I Say This Is Pandering...

(flame suit adjusted for high)

I've been to a debate and no one plays the crowd better than Dennis. He knows the right words to say and buttons to push to get a response from his base, but beyond the words, one has to look at the actions and/or consequences.

This isn't a question about impeachment being warranted...or if he should or shouldn't introduce this resolution. I say go for it...why not? But I also see it as throwing some red meat to his supporters just like the other candidates are doing for their bases.

[RangerRK]

18. I hope you are wrong

but why hasn't he done this already?!

and what happened with his promised 9/11 investigation??

[Psyop Samurai]

83. I had read the investigation is delayed...

...until September, 2008, (which went over like a lead balloon), but I cant find where I read it now.

Here's a blurb you might want to consider:

9/25/07: Student Scholars caught up with Elizabeth Kucinich and asked about the hearings that Dennis has promised to hold...

http://www.911blogger.com/node/11636

Cheers.

[MissWaverly]

25. Nobody else is tossing us this red meat, I am going to donate

to him right now, ask any of the others, their response reminds me of the teacher in the Charlie Brown cartoons, blah, blah,
blah!

[Richard Steele]

30. If doing what he took an oath to do is "pandering", I say "Pander away!" recommended

[Swamp Rat]

16. It's about time!

[allisonthegreat]

17. What took them so long ? Go baby n/t

[druidity33]

20. hey

was Kucinich in the debates last night?

haven't heard a peep about his performance...

[mikelgb]

21. kick

[earth mom]

23. There's nothing to consider. Just GO for it! IMPEACH! nt

[Dystopian]

24. Thanks for this post. K&R n/t

peace~

[Usrename]

27. Go Dennis!

:applause:

[omega minimo]

28. He's got the floor. Now get the damn TABLE!

:bounce: :bounce:

[truedelphi]

37. Drag it across center stage carefully - too many are hiding under it!

Pelosi, Reid, etc.

[stimbox]

29. Do it Dennis!!!!

:yourock:

[The Sushi Bandit]

31. Go Dennis GO!!

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. What is he waiting for?

2009?

[toadzilla]

33. DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!!

NOW!!! please?

[Maryland Liberal]

34. You go Dennis

Actions speak louder than words

[Poiuyt]

35. Is he talking about impeaching Bush or Cheney or both?

[Cleita]

68. He's going after Cheney first. n/t

[BrightKnight]

36. Does he have the votes on the Repug side to impeach Chimpy?

I am all in favor of impeachment but it sounds like he is just politikin'. I doubt that there are enough votes on the Repug side to actually make it happen.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

38. Shall we ignore him?

Hillary bolsters say he is irrelevant... I wonder what their agenda is?

[annm4peace]

39. I'll donate... do it Dennis do it Dennis

I will donate 50.00 if he does it.... and that is a lot of money for me.

[gkaba]

41. Privileged Resolution

Dennis has to do it since Conyers seems to be hiding under the nearest rock. Conyers is ruining his previously stellar legacy and will be,at least in part, held responsible for starting WWIII for not starting the impeachment because that is the one way to stop a war with Iran.

[Freddie Stubbs]

66. How would a failed impeachment attempt stop a war with Iran?

:shrug:

[AntiFascist]

82. Cheney is the one pushing for war with Iran....

and he has the best chance of getting impeached. Starting impeachment proceedings against him will bring much to light, then more people, and hopefully Congress, will slowly turn against the entire Administration.

[Freddie Stubbs]

103. So, you beleive that members of Congress are opposed to impaechment because

are not aware of fact which you are aware?

[bigtree]

42. enough talk! just do it!

isn't that the mantra from his supporters?

[Norrin Radd]

44. k+r

[DemBones DemBones]

47. Why the hell are people not backing Kucinich in droves?

Are Americans really that stupid?

[Breeze54]

48. I agree and I think we have to establish a movement!

I think we should bombard MoveOn with e-mails to put their money where their mouth is this time!

They have the members and the movement (me! ;)) to get the ball rolling!

Cripes! We, MoveOn, raised $500k in a week!! That would boost his candidacy!!

I'm a small donor to them but I think they have the machine already in place!

Maybe we need to urge the other members of MoveOn to rethink their position on this one!?!

Kucinich has a plan to exit Iraq and a health care plan!!

[Greyhound]

49. That sounds like an excellent idea to me. I don't know if they can

donate to his campaign directly (I think it's not allowed, but maybe somebody that does know can help) but an advertising campaign of support would go a long way to helping break through the corporate/political stonewall that has been built around him.

Do you suppose Phil Knight will donate to his campaign if Dennis will "Just Do It"?

:kick: & R 50

[Breeze54]

51. Knight was named a "Corporate Crook"

By Michael Moore. Huh??

I'm losing your drift..... :shrug:

[Greyhound]

53. He is absolute scum, it was just a (bad) joke on Nike's "Just Do It" campaign.

Dennis has this problem with continually trying to work with the party, no matter how badly they treat him. OTOH, he has been re-elected five times more than I have, so I think he may have reasons to do as he has done.

I'd love to get he and Elizabeth alone over dinner or something and pick his brain for those reasons.

[Breeze54]

54. "OTOH, he has been re-elected five times more than I have"

:rofl:

Yeah, lmao, so he just might have a clue?? :rofl:

They post video's all the time. Go to his website and watch! ;)

[Greyhound]

57. I volunteered for his campaign about 7 months ago, I've seen them. n/t

:kick:

[stimbox]

67. Link to MoveOn impeachment petition

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/moveontoimpeachment/

[FREEWILL56]

50. In answer to are people that stupid, look who is in office now twice

and I think you can answer your own question. Yes, I do believe there was election fraud, but it still had to be somewhere in the neighborhood to push it over the edge. Many of our representatives on the democratic side seem just as stupid as they bought into this bush/cheney bullshit and gave them votes on their halfassed agendas. Are the public any better in judgement? I think not by the results. If you can't quite discern my answer to your question then I'll simplify it. Yes.
On your first question, I promise I will donate if he makes it through to be nominated as then he will need it to combat the evil axis from that other party. I also promise to never donate to Hilary Republicon Clinton. I believe in God and I say to all of you that those 2 promises I will keep, I swear to God.

[Breeze54]

52. He needs money to make it through..NOW!

He will not make it without more money to get advertising out in the MSM!

Money talks, bullshit walks!

But I know you know that.

[Freddie Stubbs]

104. Perhaps because Kucinich is big on ideas and talk, but short on actions and accomplishments

[0007]

58. Dennis Kucinich is the only person I could vote for. The rest of the

field are pussies that are in waiting and hope to be blessed by the big corporations.

Of course the people never get their wishes but they can't take away our dreams.

[tom_paine]

59. Good for DK, a true patriot.

[Xenotime]

61. Yes! Good to see the Democratic process in action!

[ThomWV]

63. K&R For Very Good Reason

[Sufficient Voice]

64. This guy earns my vote, again and again.

[rosesaylavee]

65. DO it, DK. n/t

[mikelgb]

70. k

[lonestarnot]

71. Keep on Dennis!

[farkinga]

72. The people DO support Kucinich

Kucinich is aware of the political realities of his proposal. He does not have the support of our representatives.

This may be because our representatives do not know we support them.

[Michael101]

73. Dennis Kucinich is Electable

I don't understand why people keep saying Mr. Kucinich is not electable. Can't you vote? is someone holding your vote hostage? Its very easy, YOU the person who it will affect, takes a stand and votes for the person who will do the job. We can call the democrats all the names we want but lets face it Obama, Clinton, Edwards are not going into the white house thinking about us. They've gotta pay those disgusting lobbyist first. WE, the people, are not their bosses. The Million dollar corporations are their bosses. I'm voting for Dennis Kucinich because we need change in our country. He is the only one willing to do it. Why are we letting the lobbyist have our votes. I don't understand. People don't be afraid anymore, this country was founded by revolutionaries not by people who were too weak to take a stand. Take your country back, vote for the person that is speaking for you. Donate and help Dennis Kucinich make it there. Don't just complain, come and join us at his website.

[lonestarnot]

75. Woooohooo! Wootie Woot Woot

:bounce: WELCOME TO DU! :hug:

[Cleita]

78. Welcome to DU!

:toast: He is electable. We supporters just need to keep a picture of him and Elizabeth together standing in front of the White House. Vizualize him as President and get all the negative, he can't be elected, thoughts out of our collective minds.

[vanboggie]

76. Go Dennis! n/t

[spanone]

77. yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yesyes yes yes yes yes yesyes yes yes yes yes yes

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[Vidar]

81. This is why I love Dennis! There is no shame in going down fighting.

There is nothing but shame in cowering indecisively because "we don't have the votes" or "my favorite lobbyist won't take me to lunch anymore", Mr. Conyers, Ms. Pelosi et al.

[lonestarnot]

85. Who said anything about going down?

[Vidar]

86. More power to you fricken' optimists!

[lonestarnot]

88. Well fucking thanks.

[Vidar]

93. LOL.

[f the letter]

84. go for it

impeach yesterday

[Freddie Stubbs]

89. kick

[Nutmegger]

90. Dennis walks the walk.

His votes are 100% on the money. He speaks truth to power and isn't afraid of the M$M.

:kick: for Dennis.

[LWolf]

91. Kick, recommend, and kick again.

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[lonestarnot]

92. When?

[Freddie Stubbs]

94. November 31?

:shrug:

[lonestarnot]

98. Where did you get that date?

[ISUGRADIA]

100. there is no november 31...last day of november is the 30th

[Cleita]

105. Maybe he meant the 32nd of Julember. n/t

[Crabby Appleton]

106. that's what I heard too, or the 33rd. nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

107. Exactly

[focusfan]

99. I wish he would do that,thats more than other people in congress

are doing.

[lovuian]

101. Wouldn't that be Great

:woohoo: Dennis

[cali]

109. Clearly, we shouldn't be holding our collective breath n/t

[lonestarnot]

111. Still waiting!

[Freddie Stubbs]

112. Kind of reminds me of this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x194892

[T.Ruth2power]

113. It's the least

that should be done.

Maybe he could parody Pelosi and bring an "impeachment table" to the floor.