Why do "South Park" voters hate Liberals?

[The Backlash Cometh]

In case you missed it, the new voter of today is the "South Park" voter. It was on a cable network. You've heard of soccer moms, and safety moms, well, the new voter to look out for is "South Park" voters. According to the description, they hate conservatives, but dislike Liberals. They're closer to Libertarians and they are the choice of the young.

So, why don't they like Liberals? Is it because Liberals are sometimes overzealous in their beliefs, just as conservatives are? Does anybody have any better information?

[redqueen]

1. It's false balance.

They view Ann Coulter as the mirror image of Michael Moore, despite any inconvenient facts about accuracy or bigoted remarks. They view the two parties as mirror images too... equally corrupt, equally useless.

It's sad to think that critical thinking is so unpopular.

[UnyieldingHierophant]

118. "equally corrupt, equally useless"...that about sums it up*

[Coexist]

2. I can't answer that - I watch South Park

unlike many here, I love the humor.

They do eviscerate the radical elements of both sides - but they are funny.

My older teens love it, too, and they are great liberals.

[redqueen]

3. Do they do both sides?

I hadn't noticed that.

[Coexist]

5. yes, there was some liberal bashing on the "smug" episode

they mock the far right all the time.

they have introduced "gay" to be anything lame, which I dislike, but there is more right than left abuse on the show.

on edit: yes there are Peta bashing and Gore bashing episodes, too.

[redqueen]

9. Did you not see the movie?

Didn't they mock Al Gore in a TV episode?

Which major figures in the far right are lampooned?

[Coexist]

17. Bush, Cheney, Frist, just off the top of my head.

[redqueen]

18. I guess maybe they're trying harder to be balanced lately.

I quit watching years ago cause I got tired of the one-sidedness. Don't miss it.

[Hippo_Tron]

75. The Terri Schiavo episode makes a joke about the Republican Party doing Satan's bidding

And I found the movie to take clever stabs at both sides, particularly at how the government convinces its citizens to support a war.

IMO, the show used to be a lot better. I care less about the politics and more about how they use the politics to make a joke. For example, the episode where Cartman used stem cells to make more Shaky's Pizza restaurants was hilarious.

[appal_jack]

172. Mel Gibson too

The episodes with him depict a complete looney (not too much of a stretch in my book).

I like the rough humor that South Park employs. My liberal convictions can stand up to a little ribbing, and some of the jabs at the fundies, etc. can provoke good belly laughs.

-app

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14. I think there was an SUV episode which mocked Liberals.

[Coexist]

22. I think we are thinking of the same one...

the hybrid episode, right?

Parker and Stone said in an interview, watch the Douche and Turd episode and you will see who we voted for, when asked their political leanings.

In that interview they discuss politics and this is interesting, "And in truth, they say they're not necessarily all that conservative, it's just that they enjoying poking fun at liberal orthodoxies and celebrities, and it's far more rebellious to lean right in Hollywood than to lean left.
"We're probably more conservative than most Hollywood liberals, but that doesn't mean a whole lot," Stone says."

Which I take to say they are moderate Dems.

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27. It's hilarious, but it seems that each time I tune in, I keep seeing the same

three episodes: The Britney Spears, the video game competition and the teacher with the pedophile attraction.

[0007]

151. There was and it was another good one, as always.

[YOY]

7. Ever see the Mormon episode?

Oh, yeah, anyone and everyone is a target.

[redqueen]

8. They did Mitt?

Not everyone is a target. How many right-wing pundits have been excoriated a la Moore & O'Donnell?

[YOY]

46. They did the religion in general

They did the same for Catholics. They've pointed out that shrub is an idiot numerous times.

[Yupster]

45. My favorite lne is when Satan is

told his side was in trouble because God was getting a great general to lead the heavenly forces, some hellish minion asked Satan what he was going to do.

He said a classic line.

"We'll Do what we always do. Call the Republicans."

It was a classic.

Yes - they go after both sides.

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13. I like watching it too.

But oddly enough, there are some episodes which are too crass to watch twice.

[Clovis Sangrail]

4. cause liberals are generally spineless

at least our elected leaders are.

[ShortnFiery]

11. B.S. Other than Kucinich and perhaps a couple of Senators, we have NO LIBERAL national leaders.nt

[Clovis Sangrail]

33. I suppose that's really my point

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16. Watch closely who the people who are willing to put up a fight against the right.

They are usually progressives or black congresspeople.

[ShortnFiery]

26. Or even the occasional pariah, unabashed LIBERAL "little d" democrat?

:evilgrin:

[FooFootheSnoo]

6. If their political perspective and opinions

come from a cartoon, they probably weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer to begin with....

[Romulox]

12. As opposed to the Daily Show and Colbert? Rigggght. nt

[unpossibles]

70. well...

First off, I am a fan of all three shows. One thing the shows have in common is satire where anyone is fair game, and I would say both audiences overlap heavily.

To say TDS/Colbert viewers get their news from those shows is disingenuous at best. The jokes on those shows - and on South Park, imo - work better if the viewers already know what is being made fun of.

[Romulox]

Agree 100%. I also enjoy all three shows

And I didn't say TDS show viewers get their news from the show. I know I don't.

Just responding to the hater up-thread that TDS and Colbert are certainly no more cerebral (nor subversive) than South Park. I find the world-view of the producers of the 3 shows much close to one another than to many of the respondents to this thread (including the one making ominous statements to me down thread!:wow: )

[JVS]

119. reflected by, not proceeding from

[ShortnFiery]

10. Because the audience segment that adores "South Park" lean toward right wing libertarian ideology. n...

[Romulox]

15. libertarian =/= right wing any more than authoritarian = left wing

You guys sound like old coots gripin' about kids and their rock n' roll ("It's not music, I tells ya--just a bunch of noise!") :rofl:

I think there is a similar generation gap here.

[ShortnFiery]

19. No, I think not since I have Junior High TEENS (must not say "kids") who love south park

but don't "adore it" lock, stock and barrel. Yes Virginia, even teenagers can see it's COMEDY and not political persuasion. :eyes:

Right Wing Libertarians are more for "law and order" of the kick-ass frontier justice type.

I take it a little tongue-in-cheek because any decent group can carry their cause to an extreme.

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. Perhaps the South Park voters are young liberals who want to make

money and celebrate their individuality?

[ShortnFiery]

24. You slay me ... hello? It's a COMEDY cartoon show - not a f**king documentary.

:crazy: :rofl:

[redqueen]

28. Yeah, like Idiocracy.

*chants: it's only a movie... it's only a movie*

[ShortnFiery]

37. Wow! Yes, let's obsess on CARTOONS, with our country blowing up around us. Idiocracy?

Indeedy! :P

[redqueen]

38. It's just a thread.

Jesus.

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30. "South Park" voter is just a tag that the media network created.

I don't think it has to do with how much the individual actually watches South Park. Just that the writers of that show are best at depicting the attitudes of that kind of voter.

[JVS]

146. exactly

It isn't about people who view the show, but instead is about people who share the values of the show.

One of my HS and College friends would probably be classifiable as a South Park voter.

He was Atheist with his family background being Jewish, thus he favored secularism and hated the Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell type religious-political activism.

At the same time, he considered himself assimilated, when asked if he felt that he might be discriminated against because his family was Jewish, he said that because his name and looks reveal nothing, that it wouldn't happen. He eschewed identity politics.

He was a member of the millitary and genearally supported a level of constitution-based patriotism that made me and other liberals uneasy.

Still, a few months after 9/11 I talked to him and he claimed that the whole war on terror thing was BS.
Hates Bush, but wasn't a terribly big fan of Clinton either.

[sendero]

115. I think it's more that...

.... the younger generation has realized long ago what many of us are just starting to "get", which is that neither political party is looking out for anything but themselves.

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126. Kids are pretty good at picking up on hypocrisy.

[Orsino]

21. Because their TVs tell them to...

...and they're dim enough to see that as some sort of "rebellion."

[Hobarticus]

73. BINGO! A year's supply of Rice-A-Roni to you, my friend! eom

[NashVegas]

23. They Hate Liberals As Much as They Do Conservative/Fundies

They hate any group that attempts to control social behavior by law-making.

[Atman]

25. Libertarian is today's buzz word for remorseful republicans

Just as many Democrats have shied away from the moniker and are calling themselves "Progressives," it is very popular today for Republicans, wanting to distance themselves from Bush, to call themselves "Libertarians." But these "South Parkers" don't know the first thing about true Libertarianism, and wouldn't last a week in an actual Libertarian society. They'd be the first ones to whine when their Red Bull cans weren't picked up at the curb, or their Scion hit a pothole in the street.

The way I heard the term explained, actually, is that SP'ers like small government and low/no taxes. Yeah, right. What a fucking joke. "Give me the American lifestyle, but don't make me pay for it." It's total bullshit and just another example of our growing self-centered, me-me-me society.

Freakin' kids today! Something tells me, though, that they're in for a very rude awakening as Bush's economic chickens come home to roost. We're ALL going to be hurting. The older people remember hard(er) times. These SP'ers remember all the dialog from Cartman's anal proble episode, but don't know shit about reality.

.

[Romulox]

31. I think your post is a thinly veiled attack on young people...

The fact is, both the Republicans and the Democrats do a lousy job of representing the interests of young people. We live in a country in which we have universal health care for senior citizens, but tell young people that actually work to pay FICA taxes that it would be "communism" to extend universal health care to them.

Young people, not so world-weary and jaded, really pick up on this sort of hypocrisy, and they will remind you of it. It's a positive aspect of living in a world of diverse P.O.V.s.:think:

[Ikonoklast]

133. Young people do a lousy job of representing themselves

If the demographic that you belong to is apathetic to the voting process as a whole, the political parties will ignore them and focus on those sectors of the electorate that DO vote.


Very simple, actually. Don't vote, and abdicate responsibility for running the country to those that do.

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32. "Give me the American lifestyle, but don't make me pay for it."

I think you hit it on the nail.

[Romulox]

39. That's rich! The boomers have run up the biggest trade and budget deficits in human history! nt

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41. The boomers have been paying for theirs and everybody else's social programs.

The greedy in America are the ones which have been borrowing money for stupid economic gambles or for risks like the Iraq War. And that borrowed money will come out of the taxes of the young, which aren't even old enough to work yet.

If you're going to get angry, direct it at the right people. Emphasis on the "right."

[Romulox]

43. Umm, then where did that 9 TRILLION dollar National Debt come from?

It's silly to argue that young people are the ones abusing credit when their parents have been living on credit for 30 years.


http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

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44. We were looking pretty good during the Clinton years.

Can you quote the National Debt for that time period?

[Romulox]

64. 6 Trillion dollars...nt

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82. Eh?

[Romulox]

127. You asked. The National Debt was 6 TRILLION dollars when Clinton left office...nt

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131. How old are you?

Everything I read brought it closer to three trillion. Actually 3.6 Trillion. What was remarkable about the Clinton Administration was that he was cleaning up our debt. The trend was there. Even Alan Greenspan gave kudos to Clinton for that. If you're young, you wouldn't have remembered the number.

Here are some links to show that Clinton was going in the correct direction:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-24751738.html

http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=127&subsecid=177&contentid=252964

http://clinton4.nara.gov/New/00BudgetFramework/budget_appendixA1.html

http://www.lafn.org/politics/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

[Romulox]

136. None of your business. And your numbers are wrong.

Instead, the president explained, the $5.7 trillion national debt has been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years -- $223 billion this year alone.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/27/clinton.surplus/


The Clinton-supplied numbers exclude the billions of $$$ the Clinton administration "borrowed" from Social Security in order to form his ersatz "balanced" budgets.

From the link you provided:

The second consecutive surplus excluding Social Security. Excluding Social Security, the surplus is projected to be $63 billion this year. This is the second consecutive surplus on this basis, for the first time since 1956-57.

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138. You're putting words there that aren't in the article.

He didn't borrow from social security. In fact, it was his strategy to protect Social Security which helped the Democrats win seats in 1998

"But there is another reason Democrats took five seats in the House and won a draw in the Senate: It was Clinton's brilliant strategy that blocked Republicans from offering the winning message of tax cuts.

In his State of the Union address in January, Clinton said, "What should we do with projected surplus? I have a simple four-word answer: Save Social Security first."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/security/stories/oss112498.htm

Now, if you want to claim higher than a 3.6 Trillion number, get me a reliable link.

[Romulox]

140. LOL, those "words" I'm putting in are called common known facts.

Total Public Debt Outstanding

12/31/1999 5,776,091,314,225.33

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway

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142. Read this section. I think you're confusing public debt with government debt:

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm#DebtOwner

[Romulox]

145. ALL of it must be paid by the US Taxpayer. (And thanks for directing me to my own link!)

"Public debt" = money owed BY the US government to the public, e.g. via US Treasury Bonds. It does not mean private credit card debt, e.g. Read your own link more closely.

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147. So, here's my moment of realization:

Are you basically suggesting that the 3.6 Trillion deficit that was advertised during the Clinton Administration was two Trillion short of the real mark because of some creative accounting that did not count the money for social security?

[Romulox]

150. YES! YES! YES!

The so-called "Social Security Trust Fund" was (and continues to be) "lent" to the Federal Government to "balance" the budget. This money must be paid back by the US Taxpayers as seniors begin to collect benefits.

There never was a truly "balanced budget" during the Clinton years.

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152. I tip my hat off to you, for the point.

[Romulox]

141. Your numbers include only "public debt"; they exclude money owed Social Security...

What is the Debt Held by the Public?

The Debt Held by the Public is all federal debt held by individuals, corporations, state or local governments, foreign governments, and other entities outside the United States Government less Federal Financing Bank securities. Types of securities held by the public include, but are not limited to, Treasury Bills, Notes, Bonds, TIPS, United States Savings Bonds, and State and Local Government Series securities.
What are Intragovernmental Holdings?

Intragovernmental Holdings are Government Account Series securities held by Government trust funds, revolving funds, and special funds; and Federal Financing Bank securities. A small amount of marketable securities are held by government accounts.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm#DebtOwner

[SlowDownFast]

165. Bullshit. Do your homework. n/t

[Romulox]

168. I posted all the links upthread. It's true. nt

[redqueen]

35. Libertarians just have not thought things through.

If they did they'd see the idea as completely bankrupt.

[Lilith Velkor]

92. Some of us have

...kept the social part and thrown out the economic part. :hi:

[RandomKoolzip]

29. Identity politics.

Immature heterosexual upper-middle class white guys apparently dislike being told what they can and cannot label humans unlike themselves. THey resent the rise of identity politics because it prevents them from saying those hilarious words "fag," "nigger," "cunt," etc. out loud and in public. AND because they refuse to see that being liberal requires more than just a cognizance of identity politics, they equate those evil "word police" with all other media entities who represent tenets of liberal thought, i.e. environmental protection, protecting the working class, etc. Apparently they don't have a problem with the people who actually hold the power in America, which is an odd trait for self-proclaimed satirists.

Oh - and they think we're "humorless," because we don't laugh when some smug libertarian calls us "fags."

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34. You've obviously met a few.

Good detail.

[PDenton]

72. Identity politics is bullshit

It's why liberalism spent twenty years on life support, and goes hand in hand with the preachy Ivory Tower elitism that shows like South Park feed off.

[Jade Fox]

90. Well put.....

The sense of entitlement these men have about letting their id run wild comes from a world view where everything is about them. The rest of us have historically not been permitted such ignorant behavior, and know it could get us hurt or even killed.

[Enrique]

106. that's a great answer

there's a lot of truth in it, I think. I think a lot of radio shock jocks are part of the same thing.

[OzarkDem]

120. Agree

IMHO, that's where it started. Saying things solely for the purpose of shocking and degrading other people might have entertainment value to some people, but its completely irrelevant in political discourse. I lump Bill Maher in that same category.

[stlsaxman]

109. Absolutely correct!

Humor is no longer "it's funny 'cause it's true!" Thanks to shows like South Park humor has become "Oh my god! I can't believe he just said that!"

Real humor should have an element of truth to it. I find very little truth to South Park cartoon. Facts- yes. but facts are not always truth.

if you don't get the nuance of the last sentence, you probably LOVE the new humor.

[rockymountaindem]

124. Exactly

While I laugh at SP sometimes, it still makes me mad that they foist all of their suburban middle-class angst on rural people.

[Malikshah]

36. Libertarians-- the ultimate smartass at the back of the room who

is "too cool for school" and wraps it all up with pseudo-intellectual common sense speak.

They might have a point if they did not take themselves so damn seriously.

They are laughable.

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42. Well, I have read one positive comment made about them.

Let me see if I can remember how it goes:

First they came for the loud mouths,
but I said nothing.

Then they came for the fat asses,
and I still said nothing.

Then they came for me,
But there were no more Libertarians to defend me.

- - - - -

There may be something there positive, I just can't see it yet.

[libnnc]

47. nailed it

That's basically every Libertarian I've ever met thus far in higher ed.

They're idiots. I can't stand them.

[Malikshah]

61. Yup-- fighting them brings to mind the advice against wrestling with pigs

2 reasons not to do it:

You both get muddy
The pig likes it


As a gay man, I have a similar view of some "bisexuals" (note the quotes)-- sh*& or get off the pot. (That's another debate for another time)

[Dukkha]

68. Rather poignant they use Stan & Kyle to push their ideology

It's right on the same level as a 4th grader. Greedy, immature, irresponsible, narrow minded, & completely clueless of their own consequences.

[slackmaster]

40. As a resident of a real neighborhood called South Park, I say

Screw you guys.

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54. I bet you guys get it all the time.

[slackmaster]

56. I have lost count of the number of times I've been asked if we killed Kenny today

:argh:

[MindPilot]

66. You only call it South Park because you're trying to be North Park

At least North Park is actually north of the park, you're east of the park, fatass. Just give up and call it Shelbyville.

In all seriousness, South Park is ironically probably one of the bluest communities in San Diego.

[slampoet]

48. South Park Viewer don't frickin vote. They may cast a vote every 4 years for prez

but I defy the people of DU to Show me one South Park hardcore fan who ever cast a vote for a local school board election.

South Park voter is just a block of non-voters who sometimes get their ass to the pols.

[MindPilot]

67. MP raises hand.

Not sure if I would fit your definition of "hardcore" but my SO and I traveled to Colorado and made a special trip to stay overnight in Fairplay, the real South Park.

[Johonny]

49. closer to Libertarians

I wonder how many young voters know what a libertarian ideal society would be like?

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55. They really have no idea.

There are probably two things that are attracting them: Decriminalized pot and the desire to make money. Unfortunately, everybody I know that initially becomes Republican, does so because they think that party represents the working class that wants to make money. Little do they know that the entry level for a republican who will benefit from Republican policies is somewhere in the stratosphere.

[Beelzebud]

50. I love South Park and I AM a liberal. I guess the TEE VEE was wrong AGAIN.

No one could have forseen that liberals liked South Park.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

51. All 10 of them?

Seriously, I liked South Park for the first two years when it came out, when it was a big thing. I was in college and entire dorms would congregate and throw South Park parties for new episodes. It was the big to-do.

But then the movie came out, and the shock value began to wear off. So Matt and Trey had to compensate by making the episodes more issue oriented. They'd throw out whatever the issue du jour was, then ridicule everyone involved in the issue, and in the end, the Stan character comes out and makes a big long preachy speech basically telling us whatever Matt and Trey think, for better or worse. Yes, it is social satire, but I don't call it very good social satire. Basically, it's a "devil may care" attitude where they encourage people to not take strong positions on anything, because if you do, you're just setting yourself up for ridicule, and the worst thing is to be a target of ridicule. In other words, it encourages apathy.

Matt and Trey to me are like the class clowns you had at your school. They sat at the back of the class, and they happened to crack a joke at the teacher or somebody else's expense, and the entire class would break into laughter. But then they would continue making the same joke until it got less and less funny. Or maybe they'd try making some other jokes, but they wouldn't be nearly as funny. Pretty soon, you just want to smack the crap out of them for being so annoying and cynical. Their humor is short lived.

But this "South Park" voter stuff? It's nonsense. Anyone who lives and dies by the words of South Park probably isn't interested in voting anyways. They'd rather sit outside the polling place and make fun of the people in line.

[kenny blankenship]

52. Because it's OK to hate liberals

Don't hate racial minorities, that's not OK anymore--hate the liberals who made hating racial minorities uncool.

Don't hate uppity women, that's misogynist--hate the liberals who tried to pass the E.R.A. Constitutional Amendment instead. No one will catch on that you hate women who demand their equal rights. It's still OK to call women bitches though, because you don't really mean anything bad by it, and it makes you feel so cool when you do. Best of all is describing Liberals with the terms people use when disparaging women. Say the Liberals are "whining" "menstrual" nagging bitches--or if you're George F. Will, call them "nanny-state scolds" and "hectoring schoolmarms."

Don't hate the gays, that's not cool--hate the Liberals who advocate equal rights for gays and who denounce opposition to rights protection for gays as homophobia. Anyone who calls you a long name like homophobic is automatically such a fucking douche. In fact, they're a Liberal cocksucker who likes it up the ass. See how easy that was? You don't hate gays, and nobody can accuse of it-- you just hate the Liberals with the same language you'd normally use to hate the gays with.

If you master these simple steps to displace onto "Liberals" the rage you feel towards groups whose demand for full inclusion threatens your sense of white Anglo male heterosexual entitlement, you can be as violently hostile to challenges to your privilege as ever before, but no one can accuse you of being bigoted. You don't hate people because of their innate categories like femaleness or African descent or homosexuality; you hate the ideology that seeks fair treatment for them and consequently demands the transformation of the very society that gives you your pot and Xbox games. You don't hate people, you hate the whiny little cocksucking, wheedling and jiving banner of political Liberalism that they march under. You agree everyone should be treated fairly as individuals and you--as an individual--claim to treat everyone fairly. But there are people who call attention to the fact that there are nevertheless whole classes of citizens who aren't being treated fairly, and when they do this they spoil your feeling of having attained a perfect balance of accounts with the world. They try to guilt you with facts and figures about how things really are in the big picture of society, beyond the sphere of your own individual dealings with others, which you have determined to your own satisfaction to be perfectly fair. They want you and everyone to examine not just personal behavior & attitudes but larger workings of society that perpetuate unjust outcomes and mass produce social tragedies. But the worst is this: they want you to DO SOMETHING about it. And that makes you furious. Before all you had to do was say "We should all treat everyone the same." Simple--like wishing on a star. But now the Liberals say that's not good enough. They insist that you help produce a material change in the world. They are fucking with your good life! They want your Xbox! They want your SUV! They want you to move over and make room for fucking Feminist dykes and junglebunnies and faggots--not that there's anything wrong with dykes, junglebunnies and queers. You don't mean anything by those names, nor when you say "that's so gay!" because, like you tell everyone you meet, you're not bigoted. It's just that when some Liberal says we should have to DO something about global warming or DO something to end entrenched multigenerational minority poverty it TOTALLY PISSES YOU OFF! Just saying that we should try to do something together through government policy and with government taxes & law, implies that your personal vow to treat everyone the same didn't make you perfect and didn't completely discharge your debt to the world. You just wanted to enjoy the world and all the stuff it gives you for Christmas, but these fucking Liberals want to load responsibility on you for every little thing that happens to the environment or to other people. It is no longer possible to enjoy your pot and Halo and SUV if you have to think about those problems and be responsible for them. So for the Liberals you have a flame thrower of rage primed and ready to fire. You're a South Park Republican and people with grievances had better leave you the fuck alone. So you don't hate blacks or women or gays, it's just when "those people" ask you to CHANGE that they cross the line. When they ask you to change or DO SOMETHING like an environmentalist whining about the plight of Cocksucking Spotted Owls with AIDS, or somebody like Michael Moore with a bug up their ass about universal healthcare they cross the line, and then they are called LIBERALS. And it's OK to hate liberals. They can pass laws about not hating blacks or not sexually harassing women, but there's no law against hating Liberals, in fact it's the coolest thing ever.

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57. Good point. They're shooting the messenger.

[NewJeffCT]

53. It's because of the "Nanny" state that they feel we're trying to enforce

1) No smoking in public places
2) Politically correct speech - they feel we're a bunch of too serious intellectuals with no sense of humor who frown upon jokes that denigrate minorities.
3) Labeling food for fat content and banning junk food in schools.
4) We're elitist and out of touch with the average Joe
5) Efforts by feminists to ban/restrict pornography
6) Affirmative Action.

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58. Five and Six are dear to my heart.

The problem is, of course, that if the "Average Joe" is that Authoritarian right-winger, it means that their method of cheating to win, will always trump our right to an even playing field. So, some fights are worth fighting.

[NewJeffCT]

60. I agree with you

And, in this day & age of limited free time and limited (if any) vacation time, any help the government can give in regards to banning junk food & soda in schools, I think is fine.

[Warren DeMontague]

96. So what, precisely, is "dear to your heart" about telling consenting adults they can't look at

pictures of other consenting adults fucking in the privacy of their own home?

:shrug:

Jeezus. Talk about a crappy stereotype of a nanny statist.

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98. Nice strawman argument.

There's a lot of backstory that just doesn't get into that opinion of yours. If the pornography business was as tightly framed as your statement, we'd all be happy.

[OzarkDem]

121. They sound like

a bunch of rude, spoiled boys.

South Park was banned in our house for many years while the kids were growing up. They went through a phase of watching it later, but the novelty wore off pretty quickly.

[Tian Zhuangzhuang]

59. this is why (follow the link)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x6968792

[mhatrw]

62. Because making fun of liberals is like bullying the sensitive kid. n/t

[CT_Progressive]

63. Because Matt Stone and Trey Parker (the creators of South Park) said those words, verbatim

Matt Stone: "I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals."
Trey Parker: "Yeah."

[The Backlash Cometh]

80. Well. I guess there's no spinning that one.

[mondo joe]

89. Here's an elaboration from REASON magazine

http://www.reason.com/news/printer/116787.html


Reason: A few years ago, Matt, you said, “I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals.” Who do you hate more these days?

Stone: That’s a tough question. Obviously, South Park has a lot of politics in it, but ultimately we want to make a funny show and a good show. We try not to be, “All right, here’s the point we want to make.” But things like California’s smoking ban and Rob Reiner animate both of us. When we did that Rob Reiner episode <2003’s “Butt Out”>, to us it was just common sense. Rob Reiner was just a great target.

That’s when a lot of people started calling us conservative: “How could you possibly rip on Rob Reiner? You must be conservative.”

Parker: A big key to us is that we both grew up in Colorado in the ’80s, and we wanted to be punk rockers. When you were a teenager in Colorado, the way to be a punk rocker was to rip on Reagan and Bush and what they were doing and talk about how everyone in Colorado’s a redneck with a gun and all this stuff. Then we went to the University of Colorado at Boulder, and everyone there agreed with us. And we were like, “Well, that’s not cool, everyone agrees with us.” And then you get to Los Angeles. The only way you can be a punk in Los Angeles is go to a big party and go, “You can say what you want about George Bush, but you’ve got to admit, he’s pretty smart.” People are like, “What the fuck did he just say? Get him out of here!”

Reason: So what is it that you hate about liberals? Can you boil it down to a consistent impulse, and then a consistent impulse among conservatives?

Parker: Wow, that’s a good question.

Stone: I’ve never thought about that.

Parker: To some degree, South Park has a simple formula that came from the very first episode <“The Spirit of Christmas,” which featured Jesus and Santa fighting over who owned the holiday>. There was Jesus on this side and there was Santa on this side, there’s Christianity here and there’s Christmas commercialism here, and they’re duking it out. And there are these four boys in the middle going, “Dude, chill out.” It’s really what Team America is as well: taking an extremist on this side and an extremist on that side. Michael Moore being an extremist is just as bad, you know, as Donald Rumsfeld. It’s like they’re the same person. It takes a fourth-grade kid to go, “You both remind me of each other.” The show is saying that there is a middle ground, that most of us actually live in this middle ground, and that all you extremists are the ones who have the microphones because you’re the most interesting to listen to, but actually this group isn’t evil, that group isn’t evil, and there’s something to be worked out here.

Except when it comes to Scientologists. They’re all fucked up.

[skids]

107. Yeah it's the same old "I'm a moderate" bullcrap

...that permeates political discourse outside of party-oriented site. People who look for the easy out of taking the middle ground, and then declare themselves morally superior for doing so. If only they realized just how disproportionately extreme the rightist fringes are, and how much influence they wield, in comparison to a few weak left fringe voices and a bunch of reasonable left-of-center dems branded undeservedly as radicals. These so called "moderates" end up way to the right. Maybe we need to hire a bunch of MIM folks to give us a real left fringe so people can see how reasonable we are.

I like South Park and a lot of the people they bash deserve it, even those that come from the left, other than Gore that is I thought that was totally unwarranted. But if they think they are being moderate or sophisticated they are laughably mistaken. They occasionally raise a good point. Most of the time it's just light comedy, though, even when they are trying very hard to raise a good point.

[liberal1973]

65. It's just a cartoon

As for the south park voter well they are just rednecks. These rednecks are not dangerous just stupid.

[The Backlash Cometh]

81. The rednecks in the southeast wouldn't be caught dead watching South Park.

[PDenton]

102. I disagree

South Park doesn't appeal to the more squeamish midwesterners or Southerners, but it does appeal to the ones with a more libertarian streak, which could explain why it appeals to a younger audience. I know some of my relatives in the midwest have barely heard about the show (some of them think The Simpsons is bad, I just tell them, you haven't seen South Park, have you?). I also think a good portion of the shows popularity is due to its shock value.

[The Backlash Cometh]

134. Southeastern rednecks are more on the conservative side.

South Park would be too "intellectual" for them. Our rednecks are the kind of people who would claim that too much education is a bad thing. I just had one of them tell me that the other day. I'm not making this stuff up.

[Chovexani]

69. I hate the media.

The fact that they get paid to make up this shit is just...there's no words. Whose ass was this pulled from?

:banghead::banghead:

Edit: To all you hyperventilating people: SOUTH PARK IS A CARTOON. It's enjoyed by people across the political spectrum. I've been watching from the very first episode and I'm hardly libertarian. I watch it because it's fucking funny.

Let me repeat that. SOUTH. PARK. IS. A. CARTOON.

Parker and Stone mock everyone regardless of political views. BECAUSE IT'S FUNNY. When they make political statements it's for shock value, because they're funny.

My god people are losing their damned minds.

[The Backlash Cometh]

83. Read post # 30.

[Chovexani]

87. Yes, and I get that

I'm more pissed off that the lazy, inept talking heads on TV think this is actually something worth discussing, with all that's going on in the world. It's one more bullshit label they've come up in order to pigeon hole people into yet another demographic, and the dumbest one yet. It's useless fluff, nonsense with no substance to it. Shit like this is why I don't watch cable news anymore--there's absolutely nothing of substance on it.

But I've repeatedly seen this kind of stupidity here on DU. An episode comes on that trashes conservatives, and Parker and Stone are brilliant political minds. An episode comes on that trashes liberals and they are right-wing bastards out to destroy democracy. People continually forget this is an animated sitcom and Parker and Stone are not actually trying to make political statements with the show, just making fun of the excesses and stupidity of our society. With fart jokes.

[The Backlash Cometh]

88. I'm beginning to understand their social commentary.

And, I've sometimes agreed with them.

But, I think "South Park" voter, is just a catchy phrase. Look at how much response I got in this thread. "South Park" does have some name recognition.

[PDenton]

71. Matt and Trey hate preachy, self important people

Or rather those they see as that. They are sceptical of activists, and they do have a libertarian bias. They don't like to be told what is good for them, or how they should live. They especially don't like the idea of protected groups that cannot be ridiculed. They also believe liberals are elitists that like the smell of their own farts, and they love to make fun of California.

I watch South Park sometimes. There are a few good episodes but mostly it is moral relativist/nihilistic junk. Frankly, there is enough of that kind of dreck out in the world and if you bring enough stuff like that into your life, you will only hurt yourself spiritually. It's preaching to a lost generation though that has no values.

[The Backlash Cometh]

84. But, but, they come across as preachy, self important people.

[spoony]

97. They dig on themselves for that.

An example in the front of my memory is one of the boys saying something about "annoying cartoons that try to make a point" in the midst of, natch, trying to make a point.

[PDenton]

100. That's true

Every episode has a "Stan or Kyle" moment where they deliver "the message", hitting you with a stick over that. Fortunately, they parody that sometimes.

I'm more of a Futurama or Simpsons fan.

[OzarkDem]

123. Like themselves?

Just because their preaching is couched in offensive, shocking language doesn't make it any less so.

[PDenton]

160. I don't see how construction paper cutouts

could ever be "self-important".

[WildEyedLiberal]

74. Isn't it funny how all these new "labeled" voters always hate liberals?

Funny how there are never any "voter movements" that support liberal values...

[The Backlash Cometh]

85. Good catch!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

116. Remember "security moms" in 2004?

Probably about the dumbest label I've ever heard in my life.

[unpossibles]

163. good point

I love the show and find a wide variety of people like the show. But these labels of new movements, like the security moms or whatever they were called, just strike me as a smokescreen to use later as an excuse as to why they were able to steal yet another election despite all polls showing them losing.

[Iris]

76. Because they're immature and intellectually lazy. n/t

[renie408]

77. Because they have problems with AUTHORITAY?? n/t

[Puregonzo1188]

78. Some people have this sterotype of a short PC-Nanystatist type who

wants to take away individual freedom in the name of protecting people as a liberal. I'm not saying it's an accurate sterotype (as I matter of fact I'd say it was anything but), but that seems to be the problem "libertarian" "South Park voters" have liberals. Oh that, and goofy sterotypes about hippies.

[Warren DeMontague]

95. It's certainly not an accurate stereotype. In fact, most people here think consenting adults should

be left the fuck alone about their choices as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult & they're not harming or endangering anyone else.

There are, however, a few people who insist on living up to that stereotype about wanting to make everyone else's fucking decisions for them, and I agree, those people can be a pain in the ass.

[PDenton]

101. some people see liberals as against things

smoking, guns, hunting, prayer, God, etc.

South Park actually takes a sort of ambivalent stance about alot of stuff. Basicly, they just don't like what they see as liberal Coasties comming in and telling them what's bad about "middle America"; a dominant theme of South Park is supiscion of elites and political correctness. It's sort of ironic because I think Matt and Trey spend most of their time in California now days.

[Warren DeMontague]

156. I think there are times and places for everything, frankly.

I'm not against smoking- but I think it's legitimate for states and municipalities to ban it in indoor, public establishments. Even the most die-hard smoking "advocate" would acknowledge that some places are better than others to light up- for instance, you can't light up in a Hospital ICU or at a gas station. Is that "oppression"? I don't think so.

Hunting? Guns? I could give a shit about guns. Frankly, I think there are too many in our society, I think our society has fetishized violence and weaponry while we conversely have this ridiculous uptightness around sex and nudity. But even if I was remotely interested in "coming and taking people's guns away" - and I'm not - such a thing wouldn't be politically feasable in this country, anyway. So really, "Gun Control" isn't an issue for me. I'd be perfectly happy to leave the Right Wing alone with their weapons, but in return it would be nice if they could leave the potheads, the gays, the people who want to use birth control alone, and if they would stop trying to impose their fucking religion on everyone else.

Which brings me to "prayer" and "God". I'm not "against" prayer- but I'm sure as shit AGAINST ORGANIZED, LED PRAYER IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. There must be a church shortage I'm not aware of in this country, if public schools during public school hours are the ONLY appropriate place left for displays of religion, preferably sponsored by the state. Likewise, if people want to teach THEIR kids that the Earth is 6,000 years old and Dinosaurs were on "Noah's Ark", they can do so in Sunday School- but keep that bullshit FAR away from public school science classes.

Beyond that, yeah, I'm an atheist (and I live in California! I drink Lattes, too, but I don't eat brie) but that doesn't mean I'm "against God". How can you be against something you don't think is there in the first place? I don't give a shit what people believe, I just want them to leave ME alone about it. It's very simple. If all that makes me a "coastal elitist" (call me old fashioned, but I think the REAL 'regional elites' are the TEXAS OIL BILLIONAIRES) who "looks down on the Heartland" -even though I spent half my life in the Midwest- so be it.

[DefenseLawyer]

79. Nihilists!

Fuck me... I mean, say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

117. Damn it!

You stole my line! I thought of it as soon as I saw the word "nihilists". :)

Is this your homework, Larry?

[DefenseLawyer]

159. For your information

the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint!

[muntrv]

86. Because the boob tube tells them too.

[Rocknrule]

91. Because they see themselves in Cartman

[The Backlash Cometh]

93. Actually, there may be some truth to that.

They may agree that lifestyle changes are necessary to protect this planet, but they think other people should make the sacrifices and leave them alone.

[Rocknrule]

164. They're also racist, sexist, selfish, assholic, stupid, petulant, and anti-Semetic like Cartman

Oh, and they hate hippies too

[Warren DeMontague]

94. Because too many "Liberals" have done a piss-poor job of articulating that personal freedom,

i.e. the right of individuals to make their own damn decisions about their own lives and bodies- is a LIBERAL value.

Too many liberals (and Democratic Party leaders) have been unwilling to stand up against the right-wing culture war machine, in a misguided play to "woo the values voter". Instead of articulating a cogent, consistent, across-the-board socially or left-libertarian (please don't make me explain the difference between that and the big-L Libertarian Party, again!) argument that what consenting adults do with their own bodies is their own business insofar as they aren't harming or endangering anyone else- that government should stay out of citizens' bodies, bedrooms, and bloodstreams, our party has been lax in defining itself as the alternative to an increasingly theocratic, authoritarian, and downright nutty GOP.

This is a loss of a tremendous opportunity, because there ARE so many disaffected Republicans and independents who lean "libertarian" on personal freedom issues. The "conventional wisdom" chucklefucks are all wrong when they blather about how culturally conservative the American People are, and BOTH parties buy it. Remember how Terri Schiavo bit the GOP on the ass? They were surprised- I wasn't. There is a strong "leave my shit alone" streak in the American Voter.

We should take advantage of it, by articulating some brave and unapologetic principles, like:

An end the idiotic, wasteful, drug war.

Our GLBT friends deserve FULL equality, including marriage rights.

Protect the right to choose.

End the war on contraception and contraceptive access.

Stop wasting taxpayer dollars fighting things like consenting adult porn
(part of the problem the South Park crowd has, I suspect, is that they see too many so-called "Liberals" out there finger-wagging and advocating things like censorship, just as the Right Wing does.. so they probably figure that at least the Right Wing will give them a tax cut in the process)

Support the Separation of Church & State, unapologetically.

Etc.

But beyond all that, when all is said and done, I think Parker & Stone are given more credit than they're due. They're not terribly bright, and that show is tired. (Although the South Park Movie was a riot, and the musical numbers in that thing were brilliant)

Personally, I think Beavis & Butthead were FAR funnier. And give me the old Ren & Stimpy's (from John Kricfalusi) any day.

[benEzra]

112. You nailed it.

A lot of independents see communitarians, the coercive-public-health lobby, the gun-control lobby, and other nanny-state authoritarians as "liberals," when they are actually fundamentally antiprogressive and anti-Enlightenment.

[qdemn7]

114. All Good Points

Especially this part:

Stop wasting taxpayer dollars fighting things like consenting adult porn
(part of the problem the South Park crowd has, I suspect, is that they see too many so-called "Liberals" out there finger-wagging and advocating things like censorship, just as the Right Wing does.. so they probably figure that at least the Right Wing will give them a tax cut in the process)

We have our own little Cabal of anti-"pornstituion" zealots right here.

You miss one point: Guns. If the Democratic Party Leadership would STFU about Gun Control, and admit and recognize the Second Amendment as an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT, not a Collective Right one we would be way ahead. Many men will simply not vote for ANY candidate who advocates Gun Control.

The Idelogy of Gun Ownership and Gun Control in the United States

Underlying the gun control struggle is a fundamental division in our nation. The intensity of passion on this issue suggests to me that we are experiencing a sort of low-grade war going on between two alternative views of what America is and ought to be. On the one side are those who take bourgeois Europe as a model of a civilized society: a society just, equitable, and democratic; but well ordered, with the lines of authority clearly drawn, and with decisions made rationally and correctly by intelligent men for the entire nation. To such people, hunting is atavistic, personal violence is shameful, and uncontrolled gun ownership is a blot upon civilization. Although armed self-defense may be legally permissible in American legal culture, some gun control advocates consider it immoral.

In short, gun control may sometimes be a symbol of opposition to violence, or of opposition to the kinds of persons who are considered to be gun owners.

[Warren DeMontague]

157. I don't think Gun Control has been a front burner for National Democrats for some time.

The RW noise machine would like to pretend it is, but it isn't. That's why you had John Kerry out hunting in 2004.

Frankly, the Right Wing is a lot closer to outlawing the birth control pill than any Democrat is to outlawing guns.

But I agree with you. Particularly in the context of an across-the-board, well-articulated "leave people alone" philosophy, I'm good with dropping gun control from the party's agenda altogether.

[appal_jack]

173. word-up

Upthread, I identified myself as one of the liberals who can take a joke, and thus still enjoys SP. But when it comes to the RKBA issue, I'm closer to Ned in my political leanings (and yes, I can take the jokes about Ned/guns too).

And as for Democrats not beating the gun control drums right now, doesn't HR 1022 (i.e.- assault weapons ban on steroids) have like forty Dem co-sponsors now? Any democrat who wants my vote should be working to torpedo that particular piece of trash/legislation.

-app

[qdemn7]

174. HR 1022

"Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007" has 53 Co-sponsors, all of them Democrats.

S 1331 the "Long-Range Sniper Rifle Safety Act of 2007" which is a .50 BMG Rifle ban has 11 Co-sponsors, all of them Democrats.

So yes Gun Control is on the Democratic Agenda. If Democrats want to know why we lose elections, it's because of stupidity like these bills.

[Romulox]

132. The problem is, many self-identified "liberals" LIKE the War on Drugs, the Police state, etc...

You don't hear much critique of the incarceration rates of young black males around here, for instance. More than any other group I've come across, DU style "liberals" come off as as long as its not MY ox being gored! types.

Never have I seen so many "liberals" whooping it up over tasering a student/dissenter, or over the woes of striking GM workers, or wishing harm on wrongly accused college students. I think these kind of "liberals" that South Park targets richly deserve it.

[Warren DeMontague]

153. "you don't hear much critique of the incarceration rates of young black males around here"

Um, I knew we had warrantless wiretapping, but have you plugged into the line from my ears to my brain?

How do you know what *I* don't hear, "around here"? And yes, I understand it's a rhetorical "you". But your point is totally fucking bogus. There is PLENTLY of criticism of the incarceration rates of young black males "around here", along with criticism of the drug war, which MOST people here oppose.

Funny, I was just about to chime in in agreement with you downthread where someone mentioned, in reference to your "arguments" about so-called "liberals", that you just showed up... but reading this post, I think they're right, actually. You've been here- what, a month? I think it's a little premature for you to go off half-cocked making blanket pronouncements about what "we" care about and don't, Jack.

Yeah. Enjoy your stay.

[Romulox]

162. What a silly critique! English doesn't have a third-party "you".

Jiminy Christmas! Talk about latching on to an insignificant point! :eyes:

And in my opinion, there is almost no discussion of social or economic justice here. I'd love to be proven wrong, but...

[Warren DeMontague]

176. You seem to have some very concete ideas as to what is wrong with this place.

If no one is having a discussion about what's important to you, start it yourself.

[Norrin Radd]

99. This is why I watch the Venture Brothers.

VB wipes the floor with SP:

Brock Samson: Don't you have nothing else to do but harp on Dr. Venture? Why haven't you tried the World Domination thing, you afraid of the big leagues?

The Monarch: Please. How stupid do I look to you? World Domination. I'll leave that to the religious nuts or the Republicans, thank you.

[deacon]

103. I'll assume a cable news network, creating bull shit news so they don't have to cover real news.

[Perry Logan]

104. South Parkers are people who 1) have never read a book & 2) love cartoons by people who can't draw.

[deacon]

105. Exposing stupidity via comedy is nothing different than jon stewart

or most other comedy shows do...i imagine the writers of the shows have read a few books in their time and yes, current event publications too.

[PDenton]

161. there's plenty of literary references in South Park

though I agree most South Park fans have never cracked open a book.

Best line ever was "Hello, and I'm a British Person". Malcom McDowell narrating the South Park version of Great Expectations. That captures their attitude perfectly. Very cynical, aware that their audience isn't exactly the most educated and mocking it at the same time, perhaps also poking fun at the fact that most British people all look alike to some Americans, too. It's not always stupid humor.

There is also the episode where officer Barbrady chases down the Chicken Lover and it is all a plot to get him to learn to read. So he reads Atlas Shrugged and swears never to read again, because "reading sucks". I'm not sure what to take of that (they hate Ayn Rand?), but it isn't totally serious in its intent.

[BoneDaddy]

108. It is because

liberals often come off as telling everyone what to think, how to behave and often appear as continuous whiners about what is not "perfect" about life.

I am a liberal btw and although I have plenty to say about the conservative mindset, this is just an honest observation about my own tribe.

[zanne]

110. It's because "South Park" viewers have the mentality of...

Twelve year-old boys.

[Tian Zhuangzhuang]

111. I'm not really a fan of the show

but I understand that sometimes liberals do funny things. The problem is their is a certain class that is humor impaired. (I have met alot more humor impaired conservative fundies mind you)

Let me give you a "South PArk Moment" from real life.


The kids in my high school (early to mid eighties) decided to have an anti-apartheid march. So a couple of hundred students and their parents decided to have the big march, signs were made, streets were closed off etc.

Now do you remember that scene in Blazing Saddles where they look around at the town they built knowing they forgot something but couldn't exactly think what. That happened to us and then it dawned on us. We had no black people in the march. Since the public high school was all white. (Heck even the beaches were for residents only so they were all white. we quickly sent a couple of teams of people to the a neighboring town that had it's own schools and beaches and was 80% black to recruit some color.*


(Now I had posted this before and the response was what is wrong with white folks protesting Apartheid.)

Sorry but that is where South Park sometimes hits the nail on the head.

That said if the "some"** in the democratic party would stop supporting gun bans, the war on drugs,zero-tolerance school policy, speech codes and realize that some people do shop at Walmart cause the Williams Sonoma catalog is a little dear there would probably be a lot more Democrats.

* Note to the the protest took place in a very liberal (and segregated) Fairfield County Ct

** They tend to be the loud standard bearers not the rank and file. :)

[The Backlash Cometh]

129. LOL!

Now that's funny commentary on our times. I had a moment, not so funny as yours, which I think is up that alley. There's construction going on next door and a crew of black men were brought in for the driveway. Now, it's been interesting over the last year to see how different work crews were brought in to do different jobs. Depending on the job, it was either a white crew for the land clearing (driving the big machines,) Hispanics for the brick work, and black men to lay down the driveway.

So these black men are being supervised by this white guy. I eventually have a run in with the white guy, who later claims to be a son of the confederacy. We do, eventually, have a cordial conversation and he tells me that Southerners like black people better than Northerners do. And he points to these black men, who during this whole conversation are working around us with there heads down low, except for one time, never diverting their eyes to look at us, and he points to them to prove to me that Southern men have good relationships with black men. He claims that the main foreman of the black men sometimes wears a confederate buckle, but has a tooth with some designation which is generally assigned to black people. I don't remember what it was, he said it quickly.

That's what he considers a good relationship.

[spindoctor]

113. Were these the King Of the Hill voters from four years ago?

If only Walt could have witnessed the important influence of cartoons on society at large.

The people of South Park (pay attention, these are fictional characters) are actually very liberal in their behavior, with the exception of the mayor and the two gun/survival nuts. Other than that, they consistently go overboard in their tollerance and political correctness.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

122. Stupidity.

[hatrack]

125. Because they're slack-jawed teenage "libertarians", that's why . . .

nt

[Romulox]

128. Self-righteousness and intolerance. ALL the stereotypical "liberal" stuff is on display right here!

[redqueen]

135. You're pretty new around here.

Enjoy your stay.

[Romulox]

137. Is that a threat? I'm not easily bullied! nt

[redqueen]

139. Threat?

:rofl:

Okay!

:hi:

[Romulox]

143. Once in Port Angeles, Washington, my wife and I were told,

"You don't look like you belong around here," by some redneck.

I didn't take that one as a friendly enquiry either.

Enjoy your stay! :eyes:

[redqueen]

144. Always do, thanks! n/t

[Siyahamba]

130. The "I Got Mine" philosophy

They don't like liberals because we believe in looking out for others, not just ourselves.

[awoke_in_2003]

148. Well, as a south park voter

all I can say is I always support the liberal. SP has nothing to do with anything, they just poke fun of the asses (on both sides).

[RainDog]

149. "south park voters"=Karl Rove propaganda

the repukes know that they have lost the youth vote and they are trying to find a wedge to draw younger voters away. Every person I know who watches South Park is liberal, including me. sometimes parts of the shows are too gross for me, so I don't watch.

but, as others have said here, the liberals who want to tell everyone else what's good for them deserve to be skewered. they are not representative of the entire liberal pov, but they are the ones who get the attention from rat fuckers (pardon if I offend, but that's an historical political description) who work to undermine the good that liberals can do by enacting laws that protect democracy and human rights, not laws that protect people from themselves.

they have taken on the scientologists over and over. this is not an easy position to take if you know about the scientology hit squads that go after people who show them as the huckster manipulators they are. south park satirizes all sorts of weirdness in our society, and they make good points. the holier-than-thou "eco-drivers" might want to think about poor people who can't even afford a fairly recent model of a car, much less a new one.

as I noted on the Garafolo post in the political videos forum, some people do not identify with mainstream culture and want to tweak it. those people aren't just young people, btw.

come on... the whole satire on the davinci code and the easter bunny?? hippitus hoppitus... :rofl:

the lice in school episode (which says a lot about paranoia and group think). butters is just a little bicurious, that's all.
cartman as the hall monitor with a mullet... :rofl:

...when the kids become super heros... and cartman thinks he's invisible walking across the stage butt naked...

personally the jennifer lopez ep. isn't my favorite, so don't know why it gets chosen.

you can watch episodes for free here and decide for yourself if they're "good republicans."

[WinkyDink]

154. If they hate Republicans AND Liberals, maybe it's because they like

"sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll" with few restrictive laws, but also have disdain for anyone they perceive as "weak".

[NeedleCast]

155. Feel That Neither Party Is In Line With Them

I think a lot of South Park Voters are those people near the middle and are often socialy liberal and somewhat more conservative on fiscal and foreign policy issues. They're not Bush conservative and they're not Kucinich liberal. I think they're also people who are fatigued (as I am) with the polarization of the parties. They're looking for that common sense alternative that the mocking, sarcastic humor of South Park often provides on issues. They're people who are tired of the ongoing finger pointing on both sides. People who are tired of the ineffective policy on both sides that doesn't seem to actually get anything done.

[mdmc]

158. liberals? who is liberal?

The hatred comes from 'liberals' not even having enough spine to admit that they are liberals.
Then liberals scream about injustice, but refuse to accept the holocaust of native americans.
You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem. HRC "progressives" are part of the problem.

Real leftist are loved by south park.

[Old School]

166. SP fan here

I'm a South Park fan I think it is just anti blowhard and people how take them selfs too seriously. They rip all across the left-right spectrum.

[mdmc]

177. Welcome to DU bro

I am more of a Simpsons / boondocks fan myself, but I must admit to being a SP fan as well. Smug and Hitler's halloween costume are my two favorite skits.

Peace and low stress

[OHdem10]

167. On C-Span , the originator of South Park was giving a speech

He is conservative and South Park was developed from "Conservative"
perspevitive. Just another way accomplish their goal--Destroy
Liberalism,IMO.

[The Backlash Cometh]

171. Stop and think about this for a minute.

Would a true conservative depict a Jennifer Lopez episode where Cartman's hand is masturbating a man? Or a Britney Spear episode where a gay prostitute sucks her up his ass? Or a cartoon where a teacher has pedophile sex with a her student?

Conservatives? Well, certainly not a conservative from the south east.

[liberalsoldier5]

169. Die Hippie, Die

See the episode. They make all liberals out to be self righteous idiot hippies. And they make all conservatives out to be like Stan's Uncle Jimbo. At the end of the day, many see themselves in Cartman or at least closer to the Jimbo type and decide that they're definitely not one of those "liberals." Hence, the "South Park Conservative."

BTW, it's one the smartest and funniest shows on television. If you haven't seen it, check it out.

[booley]

170. If they are basing thier politics on a cartoon show

that could be the problem right there.

South Park seems to be about killing what the writers percive as sacred cows. Not about judging those issues or providing any kind of context. Becuase it's not about having a debate or educating or even advocacy. It's about poking fun at things and people.

Besides, I have heard of this "voter " before. I saw a book called the "South Park Conservative" last year about how these guys would become the new soccar mom or angry white male voter.

Somehow that doesnt' seem to have materialised. And the more I see, the more it seems that the "south Park Voter" is just a case of pundits looking for the next big "thing".

Personally I have always considered myself more of a Harvey Birdman voter.

[Geek_Girl]

175. Political pundits that use terms like this have their heads up their ass

Most young males that are into South Park don't vote.