How Many Here at the DU Actually Believe That There Really is An Iraq?

[David Zephyr]

I have long posted that Iraq is nothing more than the imperialistic creation of the British after WWI and that trying to "save" a "nation" that never was is an impossible proposition without, that is, a cruel dictator running the "nation".

Letting this phony "nation" called Iraq break up and to be governed and policed by its own ethnic and religious components is not really a choice for the U.S. to make...in fact, it is happening already.

I think the problem that many here have with this concept, is that neo-cons have also championed this. But it isn't a neo-con idea. It's the reality of the area.

Millions of Iraqis have already left the country since our illegal invasion. Millions more are now dead. Millions more are moving into neighborhoods where they feel safe. The "nation" is already breaking up.

It is not for the U.S. to "divide" Iraq, but it is going to happen. Iraq, the "nation" will never exist as it was under Saddam and former British puppets.

To prevent full scale civil war that will make the current situation look tame, a very loose federation is the only solution which will save lives and allow our troops to leave.

This will require the input of the Arab Sunnis, the Arab Shi'a, the Kurds along with Syria, Jordan, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and many more in the region...and the U.S. must not play any role in the process.

The problem that I keep seeing here at the DU is that many here still believe that there is such a thing as "Iraq". There isn't and there never was.

[NashVegas]

1. I Voted for #1, But

There is always the matter of borders.

How do they feel about Iraq's football (soccer team) in the Kurdish North?

[Kelly Rupert]

2. I don't understand

why people do things like this thread. They throw down an opinion, justify it, and then have a poll along the lines of; "I correctly understand that X" vs. "I believe Y because I am stupid."

I mean, if you want to have a thread about your opinion on Iraq's nationhood, go for it. If you want a poll to gage the opinion of DU on Iraq's nationhood, go for that. This business, though? What's the point? One prevents the other from actually occurring.

[renie408]

3. Oh damn. I thought you were going to say they were filming the whole thing on a back lot.

Like the moon landing.

[Purveyor]

4. Not unlike the state some call 'israel'? eom

[Kelly Rupert]

5. Actually, entirely unlike the state "some call" Israel.

Israel is a largely-unified nation-state, albeit one that was created with little regard for those who already lived where it was to be established. Iraq is a tenuous state formed in bitter reluctance by what ought be several nations.