Can we finally call Ireland a "terrorist nation"??

[TahitiNut]

Since 1969, Ireland harbored terrorists, the most well-known of which is the Provisional Irish Republican Army("The Irish Volunteers"). Over a span of three decades, they have been responsible for bombings and deaths of thousands.

Is it time to invade them and topple their government?

:sarcasm:

Funny how that works, isn't it?

[Beelzebud]

1. LOL

This world affairs thing sure is hard work. :D

[MrCoffee]

2. and watch Ted Kennedy's head explode? are you kidding me?

[yardwork]

67. Now, let's think a sec. The right-wing hates Teddy Kennedy.

Therefore, anything we do that makes Teddy Kennedy's head explode is good, according to the right, right? Therefore, the right will support invasion of Ireland. And anybody who argues against invading Ireland must be a Teddy Kennedy lover!

Got it!

[rurallib]

3. Didn't Gerry Adams once address the UN?

Did the US go nuts?

[no_hypocrisy]

4. If you want to get esoteric, is it Ireland or Britain? Who's the "real" terrorist nation?

[EFerrari]

7. Are you trying to get this thread moved to a dungeon?

lol

[blondeatlast]

32. Good point. nt

[EFerrari]

5. Someone called the Iranian president Hitler today.

Things are moving along. Maybe it's time to put Ireland in the pipeline.

[negativenihil]

6. don't be silly.

white christians can't be terrorists!

:sarcasm:

[sinkingfeeling]

8. Please clarify, not the Republic of Ireland, but Northern Ireland.

[ourbluenation]

93. 4 green fields....EACH of them a jewel.

not 3, but 4.


A Nation Once Again!

[Zywiec]

9. And stop the import of their beer and whiskey? No way!! n/t

It's all about the oil beer!

:beer: :toast:

[mark414]

10. no, because they're not brown and Muslim

[cboy4]

11. Interesting premise.

:popcorn:
:popcorn:
:popcorn:

[EstimatedProphet]

12. They should be (if a country really could be "terrortist"), but by BushCo definitions they aren't

See, terrorism is done by terrorists. And everyone knows terrorists are all Arabs.

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[EstimatedProphet]

16. Uh...that's what my point was

And I think it's probably more than just an exception to the rule.

[acmavm]

14. Is Ireland an occupied nation? Maybe even the world's longest

occupied nation?

One man's terraist is another man's freedom fighter. (Now where have I heard that before?)

[Sequoia]

15. I remember a photo I saw as a kid

Where an Irish lass was tied up to a tree and her head shaven because she dated an Englishman. Seemed like it was around 1965.

[Clark2008]

49. Are you sure that just wasn't Sinead O'Conner?

:evilgrin:

[Sequoia]

81. She wasn't born then silly goose!!

But then she may have been as a bald headed baby.

[JohnnyLib2]

17. Hey, yeah. And we could take care of those factions and rivalries

like no one has done for 1000 years or so. Bring 'em on!

[hedgehog]

18. Too, late, it's already been in the works and under the radar for years.

http://www.thewildgeese.com/pages/opinion.html

[bunkerbuster1]

19. Recommended. The right people will get it!

[TahitiNut]

60. !

:thumbsup: :applause:

[knowbody0]

20. silly you!

their skin is not brown!

[AuntPatsy]

21. Good one, this could go on all day, its all about justifying war with Iran, anyone

who says differently are only fooling themselves, it is the only reason the msm is even giving it coverage....they follow orders as always.

[KoKo]

23. Agree! and a K&R for the post....

[Lilith Velkor]

22. C'mon, rec this thread!

I *know* I'm not the only potato eating bog dweller who thinks this is funny...

[TahitiNut]

33. (grin)

:applause:

[H2O Man]

24. Okay.

Now you've gone too far!

[TahitiNut]

34. (LOL!!)

:rofl: I was sorta wondering when you'd weigh in. :evilgrin:

:pals: :hi:

[H2O Man]

35. It's my island.

And now there's people down-thread saying it belongs to a neighbor!

[TahitiNut]

40. Well, it was my ancestors who planted their "seed" there.

I'm 100% Norwegian on my mother's side and mostly lowland Scots-Irish on my father's side. Thus, I regard myself completely descended from Vikings - at home and at sea, pillaging and ....!

:silly: Uffda!

[H2O Man]

42. Similar mix here.

The Vikings invaded the island; the Irish civilized them. There's hope for the others.

[TahitiNut]

51. Many Irish place names are apparently derived (descended) from the Norse names.

Dubhlinn became Dublin, Vadrefjord became Waterford, and Weisfjord became Wexford. Other placenames derived from Norse names include Cork, Limerick, Strangford, Leixlip, Carlingford, Youghal, Howth, Dalkey and Fingall. There are similar derived names in Scotland. The "permanent bases" set up by the Vikings seem to be akin to the "permanent bases" set up by the U.S. Terrorism begets terrorism.

I wonder when the U.S. is gong to decide to get back at those "terrorist" Norsemen and bomb Norway and Denmark.

:silly:

[JuniperLea]

71. Some would argue that all Celts come from Vikings...

Where do you suppose all that red curly hair came from? And those Celtic designs on Viking ships and shields? It was all that pillaging and... !

:silly:

[H2O Man]

78. I don't think so.

The history of the Celts is pretty well documented. It's probably the most important thing in all of European history, of course. And I'm totally objective in my beliefs on that.

[JuniperLea]

88. Google up some Viking art...

Then do the same for Celtic art... then say again...

[H2O Man]

90. I'm familiar with the topic.

Celtic history pre-dates the Vikings by a long, long time. Two books of interest are Frank Delany's "The Celts" (Little Brown; 1986) and Barry Cunliffe's "The Ancient Celts" (Oxford; 1997). The similarities in art tend to fall into the Middle Ages, which is a relatively late era in Celtic history. Much more important than similarities in art is the study of their languages, which are from very different groups. The Vikings came from ancestors who were distinct from the Celts. One of my relatives used to teach the Irish and related languages; a book that might be of interest is Welsch author Meic Stephens' "Linguistic Minorities in Western Europe" (1976).

[Gregorian]

25. Impeach Cheney.

Need I say more?

[lpbk2713]

26. Add Spain to the list

The Basque separatists (ETA) have been responsible for at least 800 deaths in recent years. :eyes:

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5134238.stm

[Virginia Dare]

29. and Greece too...n/t

[mr blur]

27. Actually, that's our government you're talking about

as the Northern Irish IRA are/were British citizens. But yes, the IRA were/are terrorists and murderers. I wonder if all the misty-eyed folks in Boston etc. who used to send the IRA money and guns told themselves they were freedom fighters?

[H2O Man]

28. I sure did.

None of them were British citizens, though. They were all Irish!

[truebrit71]

39. Proud to have blood on your hands then?

Or am I missing your point?

[H2O Man]

43. Are you?

well?

[truebrit71]

45. I didn't give money to a terrorist organisation. Did you?

Then answer the question again..

[H2O Man]

46. Sorry, Sport.

You don't tell me what questions I will answer.

Now, tell me the answer to what I asked you. Please.

[truebrit71]

47. I did. I didn't give money to a terrorist organisation. How about you, sport?

Did you?

[H2O Man]

55. I pay taxes.

Do you?

[truebrit71]

56. Yup. So, back to my question, did you give money to the IRA, or was that just bluster and bullshit?

..I answered your question sport, how about you answer mine?

[H2O Man]

57. Malcolm X used to say

that if a man comes in your house with a gun to rob you, he is a robber. But if you take a gun and remove him from your house, that doesn't make you a robber. I haven't helped any robbers.

I do not take seriously any person who attempts to justify what the British have done in Ireland, nor do I take seriously their attempts to blame the Irish for attempting to remove them.

Now, one last question for you, and I really, really, really hope you will answer it for me:

What's your favorite color?

[truebrit71]

59. So you won't answer the question then?

Put as much lipstick on your pig as you'd like mate, but if you gave money to the IRA you were helping a terrorist organisation.

Oh, and my favourite colour?

Blue.

[TahitiNut]

62. Nobody expects the British Inquisition.

But they should. :evilgrin:


:rofl:

[truebrit71]

64. No! NO! Not the 'comfy chair'!!!

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

89. I always get stuck with the rickety chair... :( eom

[H2O Man]

63. Oh, dear!

Maybe one day soon you can tell me if listening to Irish folk music is okay with you.

Actually, as fun as I am finding this, my point is simple: what one person defines as a terrorist, others define as freedom fighters.

[truebrit71]

65. And the IRA are terrorists...

..in the eyes of the world...

You can listen to whatever tickles your fancy, I'd just like a straight-forward answer to a pretty bloody straight-forward question really....

[H2O Man]

66. Okay.

I like the Wolfe Tones.

[JohnnyBoots]

83. Wolf Tones were named after an Irish Rebel, Wolf Tone FYI. n/t

[H2O Man]

84. Yep.

I had relatives among the United Irishmen, and who were with Michael Collins.

Wolfe Tone's address to the court is found in "The World's Famous Orations," edited by William Jennings Bryan (Vol 6, pages 132-136; 1906). It is followed by the speech given by my relative Robert Emmet (pages 137-148), which I quote from on St Patrick's Day on DU.

[JohnnyBoots]

91. Very cool, my grandfather was named after Robert Emmet, that's where

I got my middle name Emmet.

[H2O Man]

94. He delivered one

of the greatest speeches upon being sentenced to die. Are you familiar with it? I'm sure it must be on the internet, somewhere.

[JohnnyBoots]

95. Speech on the Dock, right? There is a statue of him not

to far from where I live in DC.

[Virginia Dare]

30. Not to mention all the former "terrorists" we harbored here...n/t

[northernsoul]

31. as well as South Boston

hell, there's a bar right here in St. Paul that was infamous for its none-too-secretive fundraising for the provos back in the day.

[riverdeep]

36. Bush said,

any nation that gives safe haven to terrorists will be treated as a terrorist nation themselves and considered an enemy of the US. Ireland meets the criteria. Sunday bloody Sunday.

[killbotfactory]

41. The US meets that definition

with our protection of infamous anti-Cuban terrorists Orlando Bosch and Posada, as well as other violent factions.

[riverdeep]

48. Hell, the US doesn't just protect them,

it makes them. The School of the Americas? Death Squads in Central and South America?

[burythehatchet]

37. Come on be fair.

Don't pick on the conginitvely impaired.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

Coming from an Irish family and considering the brawls that took place at "reunions".

The kind where the cops we're called and frequently bruised themselves, I'd say, if it's good enough for Iran, it's good enough for Ireland and probably more justified.

[lpbk2713]

44. When I was a young lad I almost looked forward to someone dying.

Both my paternal grandparents came from Ireland and we lived just a little south of Boston. The wakes were indeed something to behold.

[a la izquierda]

70. damn straight!

i got drunker than i've ever been at my great-grandmother's wake. came damn close when my father-in-law died too.

in my family, i'd have been disowned if i'd have married an englishman. even one born in the states. my father, to his dying day, will continue to hate all things English. i can't even drink a newcastle in his house--the horror!

[truebrit71]

38. Even better how about carpet-bombing the Eastern Seaboard?

There are pubs up and down that gathered and sent money to the IRA during 'the troubles'....the IRA is a known terrorist organisation, therefore if you gave money to them you are aiding and abetting a terrorist organisation, therefore you are a criminal and fall under the auspices of the monkey-in-chiefs declaration of war on 'turra' and therefore should be sent to Gitmo...

But of course you're actually only a REAL turra-ist if you're brown-skinned, have a funny-sounding last name and haven't accepted Jay-sus Chraaaaaaaast as your personal saviour....oh, and you just happen to have a shit-load of oil under your feet...

[lonestarnot]

50. fight'n Irish... it's genetic, no need to invade.

heh.

[Chovexani]

52. Let's bomb them and take their Guinness

:evilgrin:

[DrunkenMaster]

53. I believe Guiness is Now Made in Canada...

at least the Guiness you buy in the States...sorry...

[Chovexani]

54. Oh hell

How are we were going to justify our BS war now? :(

[TahitiNut]

58. Potatoes? Bushmills? Waterford crystal? Belleek?

Guinness is good enough for me, though. Mother's milk. :toast:

[OzarkDem]

76. I'll take the Waterford, thx

:patriot:

[TahitiNut]

80. A nice Waterford crystal goblet ...

... filled with Bushmills? :toast:

[hunter]

61. Okay, let's bomb Canada and take their Guiness.

There are terrorists in Canada.

If Utah had Guiness we could bomb them too.

:toast:

[irish.lambchop]

68. Guinness is still brewed in Dublin

they've got over 60 acres in Dublin to house their brewery - though the largest brewery for Guinness in the world is now in Nigeria! And, if I may be so bold, a pint here is MUCH better than anything you can get in America :)

[TahitiNut]

79. Those are just the "known reserves" of Guinness.

We have specially-bred stout-sniffing dogs that can find vast deposits of previously unknown Guinness. We'll need a Guinness-sharing agreement and we can start our double-hulled tankers running.

:silly: :dunce:

[JVS]

73. Brilliant!

[JuniperLea]

69. Thanks for my new concern du jour!

I didn't feel it appropriate to insinuate my lily white Irish ass into the Latino or Black outrage du jour threads, so don't mind me as I settle in on what might be the only thread many here feel I'm qualified to comment on! You see, apparently, we humans are not allowed to feel empathy or to attempt to see from the perspective of others, so poor old whitey me should just stay where she belongs!

Pardon my plop!


:)


:hi:


Give me a swift kick if I should even come close to feeling proud to be a decent human being, because you know, if you are white and proud of anything, you surely must have a white robe and a pointy white hat lurking in your closet!


:rofl:

Please excuse the laughter... surely I must be crazy...

[JVS]

72. Call them that, sure. Invading seems a bit much

[TahitiNut]

74. Au contraire, mon ami d'guerre! Let's ask the troops!

Population of Ireland: 6 million
Population of Iran: 70 million

Climate of Ireland: Moderate and wet
Climate of Iran: Hot and Dry

Language of Ireland: English
Language of Iran: Persian

Beer in Ireland: Guinness
Beer in Iran: (alcohol against Shariah law)

Oops!!!


So ... less than 1/10th the number of people to kill and they've got beer!!

I think I know which one the troops will pick.

And it's close in spelling, too ... only three more letters: 'e,' 'l,' and 'd.'

:silly:

[JVS]

75. Let's roll

[Chovexani]

77. Time for some shock and awe!

:P

[RB TexLa]

82. Change it to England and remove the sarcasm tag and you are correct.

[truebrit71]

92. Um, no, but thanks for playing...

:eyes:

[H2O Man]

85. "A Nation once again!

Sing with me, Brother TahitiNut!

"When boyhood's fire was in my blood
I read of ancient freemen,
For Greece and Rome who bravely stood,
Three hundred men and three men;
And then I prayed I yet might see
Our fetters rent in twain,
And Ireland, long a province, be.
A Nation once again!

A Nation once again,
A Nation once again,
And lreland, long a province, be
A Nation once again!

And from that time, through wildest woe,
That hope has shone a far light,
Nor could love's brightest summer glow
Outshine that solemn starlight;
It seemed to watch above my head
In forum, field and fane,
Its angel voice sang round my bed,
A Nation once again!

It whisper'd too, that freedom's ark
And service high and holy,
Would be profaned by feelings dark
And passions vain or lowly;
For, Freedom comes from God's right hand,
And needs a Godly train;
And righteous men must make our land
A Nation once again!

So, as I grew from boy to man,
I bent me to that bidding
My spirit of each selfish plan
And cruel passion ridding;
For, thus I hoped some day to aid,
Oh, can such hope be vain ?
When my dear country shall be made
A Nation once again!"

[TahitiNut]

86. I think my voice sounds like geese farts on a muggy day

I wish I could play the guitar, too. :silly:

[H2O Man]

87. Well, Paul's grandfather

wasn't the best singer in "A Hard Day's Night," but he sang Thomas Osborne's song quite well. And considering 50,000 .....