23% Approve of MoveOn.org Petraeus Ad, 58% Disapprove

[cali]

Monday, September 24, 2007

Twenty-three percent (23%) of Americans approve of an ad run in the New York Times “that referred to General Petraeus as General Betray Us.” A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 58% disapproved. Those figures include 12% who Strongly Approve and 42% who Strongly Disapprove.

Self-identified liberals were evenly divided—45% approve and 39% disapprove. However, only 19% of moderate voters approve while 62% disapprove.

Forty-seven percent (47%) of all adults say that “stunts like the MoveOn.org ad” hurt the cause they believe in. Only 12% believe they help the cause while 17% say there is no impact. Twenty-four percent (24%) are not sure. Again, political liberals are divided with 27% saying they help and 32% taking the opposite view. Fifty percent (50%) of moderates and 57% of conservatives say that these sorts of events hurt the cause the group is trying to promote.

Just 23% said they followed stories of the ad Very Closely while another 23% said they were following it Very Closely. Overall, 49% were not paying much attention.

Twenty-three percent (23%) of American adults have a favorable opinion of MoveOn.org while 39% have an unfavorable opinion. Thirty-eight percent (38%) don’t know enough to have an opinion one way or the other. Survey respondents were asked their opinion of MoveOn.org before the New York Times ad was described.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/23_approve_of_moveon_org_petraeus_ad_58_disapprove

For what it's worth.

[MadMaddie]

1. Funny they didn't have anything to say when the Honorable

Max Cleland was attacked by the nutjobs on the right....

[fenriswolf]

2. trust no polls

they tap our phones, violate our constitutional rights, jail us, I say go with your heart if you aprove great, if not great for you.

[depakid]

47. Rasmussen- LOL

His outfit almost makes Gallop look good!

[Mythsaje]

3. I wonder how much of all those independent opinions

were influenced by the vote in congress and the general attitude that it was "indefensible."

It wasn't, but that's what the majority of people heard out there in TV-Land.

[cali]

8. Hard to know something like that

but I predicted this outcome the day the ad came out, and got slammed but good for it. My position then was the same as now; it was a tactical error. And I never thought it could be effectively defended.

[trumad]

50. No---you're position is a right wing talking point...

You use Rasmussen as a gauge... shame on you.

[opiate69]

29. I also wonder how many of those independant opinions actually read the fucking ad.

[Dukkha]

4. I don't believe it for a second

it goes against every other poll out there. They have * at 38% which every dolt knows it's far below that.

[cali]

11. This poll isn't about bush and it is consistent

with polls that show Petraeus with very high approval ratings.

[gateley]

5. After somebody here posted a link to polling companies and I saw what

they were hired to do (essentially get the answers the client wants) I'm not paying heed to polls anymore.

That's probably why Kucinich, Gravel, Biden, Dodd don't even appear on poll results -- those polled weren't even given the option to comment on those candidates.

Again, money. It's always the money.

[Bjornsdotter]

19. My son works for a polling company

....and that is correct. Many times they are told what they want the results to be and who to poll in order to obtain those results.

Cheers

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. But the polling company which conducted this poll does include Kucinich in polls:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/kucinich_trails_giuliani_thompson

[LibDemAlways]

6. The fact that MoveOn was telling the truth in its ad seems

to have escaped the attention of the corporate whore media and the politicians of both parties who fell all over themselves to condemn it.

The sheeple will simply lap up whatever sound bites they're being fed, and in this case they were told repeatedly that MoveOn was bad. Therefore it must be true.

Just when you think Americans couldn't get any dumber, the bar is lowered once again - assuming that the polling is even remotely accurate.

[cali]

13. "the truth" is quite often not an absolute and

although I agree that the ad was truthful, that has little to do with whether or not people perceive it favorably.

[superkia]

7. The media controls us, what they say goes. They have already picked the next president.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

25. I guess the Moveon.org piece slipped bye Big Brother n/t

[superkia]

26. The media puppets all jumped in and attacked it right away.

[bluestateguy]

9. That's nice

What's their point?

Rasmussen would do a poll asking people what's their favorite brand of tampons.

[Breeze54]

10. "Rasmussen Reports "?? LMFAO!!

:rofl: :rofl:

Only you would post this, you liberal you!! :sarcasm: :rofl:

What a f**king joke!! :P

[cali]

18. yeah, because a person

who supports Progressive candidates, worked to elect Bernie, will vote for Dennis in the primary, opposes the war in Iraq and any other military adventure, who's gone to DC from VT 3x to Protest, is just such a right winger. Please. I don't do group think or CTs, so I just must be right winger. That make zero fucking sense. Not that I expect even the most minimal sense from certain sheeple right here at DU.

And Gallup shows Petraeus' favorability at 61%. Sorry, that's just the way it is. If this poll is off, I bet it's not off by more than 6 or 7 points.

[Breeze54]

37. Go ahead and believe the "polls"

You seem to believe everything else the MSM throws at you.

"who's gone to DC from VT 3x to Protest"....

The last time you talked about "demonstrating against the war", you cited your little peace vigil
(3 people) in VT on a corner. Not that that's a bad thing (I admire that!) but what 3 marches in
DC did you attend in the last 3 months since you made that last claim? :shrug:
(Besides the Vietnam one when you were 13?)

[AuntPatsy]

12. I would think their increased donations beg to differ with the polls...

[cali]

20. No. Actually there;s no correlation between increased donations

and this poll. Increased donations come from a relatively small activist base. This is a poll representing the opinion of the general public.

[malaise]

48. Ding ding we have a winner n/t

[Astrad]

14. Disapprove of what?

What's 'disapproval' mean? That they didn't like it? Or that they'd ban it? It's a meaningless question. Why would they even poll this question?

[riverdeep]

15. Ask them if they read the full ad

before rendering an opinion. And where are they getting “stunts like the MoveOn.org ad”? Is this something that the callers told them, or did they put this into the question asked? If the latter, 'stunts' is hardly a neutral term.

Now, can we all do some payback and find something to be fake outraged over? Mister senator, how dare you wear a white tie to a NAACP dinner? Don't you understand what that means?!? You have insulted my precious sensibilities! Pistols at dawn.

Nah, on second thought, no one will care. Also, there's so much real stuff to be outraged over, I doubt I could pull off that charade.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

16. Just wait a Friedman or two..

The Moveon strategy was long term, something most Dems seem to have not the slightest clue about.

When the situation in Iraq hasn't changed or even gotten worse, the only thing people will remember is "General Betrayus".

Not everything can be done with short term goals in mind, you have to look down the road a piece, something I think Moveon did.

[cali]

21. Yes. I agree with that

The MoveOn strategy is long term, and I believe it has a decent chance of being effective long term.

[Cha]

36. Good point, Ripper!

"Wait a Friedman or two"? :P

[BringEmOn]

17. Here in AmeriKKKa, if you wear a uniform (military, law enforcement) your shit don't stink.

[scarletwoman]

22. Did they ask how many of their respondents had actually READ the ad?

All I see is that such and such a percent were following the STORIES ABOUT THE AD "very closely".

And just what kind of stories were people likely to see? All I'VE seen in the mainstream media are stories tsk-tsking about how awful and nasty and bad that ad was. Do you think the poll respondents saw anything different?

At the very least we know that 23% of the people polled were free-thinking enough to NOT buy the MSM storyline. And, I submit, that's ALL we really know from this poll.

sw

[bettyellen]

23. i think it's amazing that half the people followed the story....

that's saying something.
exposing that man people to the truth is a true accomplishment.

[fenriswolf]

24. i wonder

where they polled? what states and what percentage of those states constitute the main numbers

[KoKo]

27. And WHO PAID Rasmussen for this Quickie Poll...and how were

the questions asked?

[Spazito]

30. Ha! Quoting Rasmussen is like....well...quoting Juan Cole using edited

paragraphs to make a point, each has the same credibility, NONE, imo.

[DancingBear]

49. Aw, nobody here would do that now, would they?

:)

[Beelzebud]

31. It wouldn't be the first time the majority was clueless and wrong.

The Iraq war comes to mind.

[ljm2002]

32. Questions that were not asked:

1 - Regardless of your opinion of the ad, do you think Moveon had the right to create the ad and have it published?

2 - Do you approve of the Senate's resolution condemning free political speech?

3 - Do you think the Senate's resolution will have a chilling effect on political speech?

Now it's quite possible that the results would be similar, but still, I'd like those questions to be asked as well.

[hiphopnation]

33. For what it's worth.

very little

you've made your point, we know where you stand. it's in the past, are you really this upset about it that you're still making hay out if it? sheesh you should be grateful to moveon that the issue still lingers in the mouths of the press!

[Babsbrain]

34. I can't believe anyone on here still believes in polls

especially the Rasmussen Reports, seeings how its President, Scott Rasmussen, provides exclusive commentary on WorldNetDaily. Which 100% of those polled agreed was a super conservative site. And he is an Evangelical Christian. And hates gays.

I wish I still was as naive as you. After the lies upon lies that this country has had to endure in the last 7 years, I have learned to question everything. You should also.

[Hutzpa]

35. Who gives a fuck

you...certainly not me.

[madfloridian]

38. Consider the spin they heard on the media.

Most never saw any intelligent discussion of it.

[Cha]

40. Really! Poor

Mainstreamers..they're kept in the dark like mushrooms.

[Stephanie]

39. What percent of MoveOn members approve?

If you're not a member, it's none of your business.

[Raksha]

41. They asked the wrong questions.

It doesn't matter what people think about the AD...what matters is what they think about the WAR!!! That's how you can tell whether or not the ad was effective.

Sure, if people are asked about the ad directly, they may say it was over-the-top or in bad taste or disrespectful of a general, or more likely they think they are expected to say things like that. The way to know if the ad was effective (or if Gen. Petraeus was ineffective, or both) is to ask people the same poll questions they've been asked all along: Do you think we should begin withdrawing American troops from Iraq? Do you think it was a mistake to get involved in Iraq in the first place? Then compare the results with the answers to the same questions two weeks ago or a month ago.

[cynatnite]

42. Well, it's rasmussen...so I never expect much out of them anyway...

I didn't care for the ad myself, but I do think all this hoopla over an add was over the top. While people were being killed in this damn war in Iraq...here in the US all people could talk about was this ad.

IMO, that ranks right up there with OJ, Britney and Anna Nicole.

[6000eliot]

43. And calling the ad a "stunt" did nothing to color people's opinion, I'm sure.

People consistently say that they dislike negative political advertising, and yet they are also consistently swayed by it.

[Raksha]

46. Calling it a "stunt" makes it nothing more than a push poll,

and therefore not to be taken seriously. I thought of that after I posted my reply #41 above.

[Luminous Animal]

44. For wht it is worth...

Did they ask anyone about their opinion about the text of the ad?

Does anyone here have an opinion about the text of the ad?

[Fading Captain]

45. Of course, when so-called leaders

on both ends of the fishbowl condemn it, the sheep will do the same

[DeSwiss]

51. A Rasmussen Poll???

From Wiki:

Rasmussen has pioneered the use of automated technology to conduct public opinion polling and developed new research techniques to not only measure current public opinion but also to gain better understanding of what events or actions actually change public opinion. Some traditional pollsters are skeptical of this methodology and prefer traditional, operator-assisted polling techniques.

Scott Rasmussen is an Evangelical Christian and is currently president of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association, a not-for-profit corporation with historic ties to the Methodist Church and the Wesleyan tradition. The Camp Meeting founded the town of Ocean Grove, New Jersey in 1869 and maintains a Christian seaside resort community providing opportunities for spiritual birth, growth, and renewal. His slogan for the 2006 Annual Camp Meeting was 'In the Redemption Business.' The town is a national historic site. There is some controversy over the OGCMA's new policies under Scott's leadership. In particular, the OGCMA has ratified Scott's controversial policy that no same-sex civil unions will be permitted on OGCMA property. This ruling has caused public protest within the community and action to be taken by local gay and lesbian groups through the New Jersey court system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Rasmussen

- Yeah, right. So I'm supposed to trust evangelicals? And homophobes? I wonder if he believes in "Creation Science" too? Maybe he just "created" the poll's results as well.....