No Homosexuals In Iran: They Don't Have That Phenomenon There

[Me.]

So sayeth the leader of Iran who with just one reply proves himself to be a Trojan Horse (no pun intended)

[rodeodance]

1. no question-He is petty dictator.

[knitter4democracy]

2. The Ayatollah or the President?

The president is mostly a figure head. The real power in Iran is the Ayatollah, and he lets the president act like he's in charge.

[LostinVA]

3. They do have them -- when they find them, they hang them

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Sometimes They Just Torture Em And Let Em Go

eom

[Rex]

4. Phenomenon? Is he high on crack?

He is like a cheap copy of Pat Robertson. Next will he be talking about building a fence to keep those nasty gays out of Iran? :sarcasm:

[shain from kane]

11. To keep out those nasty Iraqi gays. n/t

[Rex]

20. No he denies they exist too.

Standing next to the unicorn and bigfoot, of course he denies a lot of stuff. In his country, denial means it really, really doesn't exist - almost like Bush's America. Accept the religous right still can't kill people they deem deviants, well not legally (not to say they don't).

It really worries me that two insane men run two countries a very evil man (guess) wants to have a war between so he can make huge amounts of money.

[Atman]

6. Why don't you delve deeper into his words...they could be from a Republican!

Republicans also insist there are no homosexuals in the United States...we're all hetero, except for those that want to "choose" to have sex with the same gender. Is Mahmoud saying anything different? Maybe denial doesn't translate well from Iranian. But it's the same fucking thing.

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[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. good point. if we attack iran based on gay rights and womens rights

i wouldnt know whether to laugh or cry

[SayWhatYo]

19. I agree with you, sort of.

I don't think it's a republican only thing though. I've heard many religious democrats spew the same sort of non-sense, and on the flip I've seen non-religious republicans who think such beliefs are backward. Of course there are far more ignorant republicans thought... I just don't like the idea of over simplifying everything, to me, that seems just as ignorant.

[BlooInBloo]

23. Yah - it's a religion-thing generally. But in America, religion is more closely associated...

... with republicanism, thus that association.

[leftchick]

I heard the exact same from some Iranian students

it was really bizarre. there was a segment on Current TV and in the interview many students male and female said there were no gays in Iran. And if there were they had not met any!

:shrug:

[Coexist]

10. would you come out over there? or try to leave the country first?

[leftchick]

33. hey, I assume they stay under the radar

but I would have assumed people knew they were part of the population, just not visible.

[Coexist]

43. well, people generally don't make laws against something they have never seen

so I imagine there have been homosexuals in Iran!

[Atman]

48. Funny, Bush does all the time.

Just sayin.

:shrug:

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[Coexist]

51. leftchick -

I just re=read my comment - it seemed a little short - it wasn't meant to be. I was just amazed that people assume there are pockets of the world where homosexuals don't exist.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

61. Nice.

Full circle! :toast: MKJ

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. well people from countries where there is no visible homosexuality do say that

what they mean is that there is no visible homosexual movement and that homomsexuality has been forced undergroudn.

[Marrah_G]

50. Would you feel comfortable being taped saying you knew gays if you lived in Iran?

[leftchick]

59. they had no problem

being taped drinking alcohol and not wearing head scarves at a party, which is all forbidden. That is where I saw the disconnect. I believe since they do not know any gays personally, that they think they do not exist.

[rollin74]

7. he's a lying bastard

no surprise

[rateyes]

8. That's because they've killed them all. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. well i suppose if you kill them all, its one way of getting rid of a phenomenon

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Or Scare Em Straight Or Underground

eom

[Iris]

12. the hubris

my god.

[SayWhatYo]

16. Obviously it was a mistranslation.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. no, i don't think it was. many easterners consider homosexuality a western phenomenon

because to a degree visible and 'out' homosexuality is.

(for which i am eternally grateful to the west)

[goodgd_yall]

25. I doubt it

If Ahmadinejad believes they are unclean and an abomination, he wants to convey that he is in control and has gotten rid of them, or that all Iranians are good Muslims who would never stoop to such a degrading practice.

Remember, Iran is made up of Shias who are even more conservative about sexuality than sunni muslims.

[Me.]

32. The Thing Is

I don't believe there is a choice factor in whether you're gay or not, so you may be conservative in your leanings (the log cabin Republicans) but that won't determine your sexuality. Factors such as hiding your sexuality and government and societal repression come into play, but they do for the very reason that someone has been born gay.

[MADem]

17. Well, no visible ones--he's right about that. They hang them from cranes in the public square when

they catch them out. Dead men (or women) tell no tales....

[Cleita]

18. What I remember reading in the past is that

they have eunuchs, who dress like women, that men can have their way with. So maybe this is an Islamic fundamentalist way to get around any homo ban. I really don't know that much about it though. Maybe someone who knows that culture better than I can weigh in.

[angel823]

44. India

I think you are thinking of India - and the men who undergo a "homestyle" sex change, or castration, and then become part of the community of Hijras.

Angel823

[goodgd_yall]

22. They are all in the closet for fear of punishment (or death?)

[Cleita]

24. Buwahahaha! Randi just said, "That's what goats are for." LOL

:rofl:

[ronnykmarshall]

27. Heard that too!

I love it when she starts the show like that!

[Atman]

37. That's not funny...that's part of the problem

It's easy to rile people up and get them to not be concerned about bombing goat-fuckers. Just like multi-millionaire Osama living in a cave. If you believe Osama lives in a cave and Iranians are just goat-fuckers, than you probably deserve the war we're about to get.

Personally, I consider it totally shameful and completely ignorant to play into these bullshit contrived stereotypes. After all, I call got called out by a DUer for calling someone a douche bag today. That's offensive, can't offend those douchers, or douche makers or whatever the fuck the beef was. But hey...goat-fuckers and cave dwellers...now there's some enlightened thinking. We can bomb those mofos!

:eyes:

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[Cleita]

40. Jon Stewart uses the term douche bag all the time when.

referring to the goons who are ruining our country. Sheeesh! You gotta laugh sometimes and A making that ridiculous statement called for an appropriate comeback.

[sniffa]

26. here's why

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/gay_hanging_iran.jpg

[Ishoutandscream2]

34. Man, don't give our fundies any ideas

You know they would dig doing this to gays in our country.

[AuntPatsy]

49. I agree, in fact that very fact should not be ignored so easily until

that kind of rhetoric becomes a political liability to mention, at the present time it is obviously not, gay bashing abet a bit more tempered is still very much alive inside our highest political circles.

[DeepModem Mom]

28. Thanks for posting this, for the record. That was a breathtaking moment at Columbia. nt

[Me.]

31. Agreed

And the laughter which followed that statement also spoke volumes.

[Sparkly]

29. Now we know where the homophobes can go!!

Too funny.

[yardwork]

30. This is the way the far-right religious extremists in this country want the U.S. to look.

No gay people - they'd "take care" of that "phenomenon." No single women with jobs. No women owning property or going out in public without being all covered up. No school for girls. Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen working for one's father and then one's husband.

Listen to the talk. It's all the same among religious extremists. Doesn't matter if the religion is Islam or Christianity or Judaism. Extremism is extremism.

[juajen]

36. How right you are.

N/T

[BadgerLaw2010]

55. Remember the Borat skit with the Virginia rodeo operator?

[LSK]

35. maybe the freepers can all move there then n/t

[Cha]

38. And who bred this "petty dictator"?

Was the offshoot of anything the rayguns did back in the day?

[kenny blankenship]

39. If only I had a dollar for every 3rd world shithole country where that claim is repeated !

South Africa: Oh we don't have any homosexuals here!
Cuba: No capitalist perverted homosexuals here!
Alabama: This is God's country an' they ain't no homos round heah!

(Seriously, they say this almost EVERYWHERE and it's true nowhere)

[gatorboy]

41. You'd think the Freepers would be embracing the man.

Apparently his base and theirs have much in common.

[yardwork]

42. That is exactly correct. They are virtually indistinguishable, in fact.

[Cleita]

46. Yes, but these people are ethnically different from them so they don't count.

They have to hate everyone whose culture and religion isn't their culture and religion no matter how similar the ideologies might be. Not only that it's convenient for the White House to whip up a frenzy of hatred so they can go ahead and bomb them.

[Me.]

47. You'd Think

Wouldn't You?

[krabigirl]

62. Totally...I was thinking the same thing!

[xchrom]

45. that just proves ahmedinajad is a republick party person --

and he and bush coordinated this tour with their publicists.

[TheWraith]

52. I saw that clip. I'd have almost sworn that he had an odd expression on his face

A grimace or slight sardonic smile at the laughter his comment resulted in, like he recognized how ridiculous he sounded. People should remember that this guy is crazy, but not stupid.

[Me.]

53. I'd Like To See That

I was watching as he spoke and my jaw was too busy dropping for me to concentrate on his face during the laughter

[BadgerLaw2010]

54. Can I get a show of hands for those still defending this clown?

[distantearlywarning]

56. Sadly, there's a bunch of them around today.

It's incredibly disappointing.

[RestoreGore]

63. Defending the university's right to invite him here is not defense of him or his policies

At least not for me. However, even his unrealistic and clearly intolerant comments today are not reason enough to attack his country. I am disappointed in those who happen to think they are.

[ismnotwasm]

57. Oh bullshit.

Iran: Persian Gay And Lesbian Activist Urges Tolerance


"May 17, 2007 -- Growing up in Iran was not easy for Arsham Parsi. Early in his childhood, he recognized that he was "different." When he realized during his teenage years that he was attracted to other men, his life became even more complicated.


"I grew up with religious and Islamic ideas," Parsi says. "'Well,' I thought, 'I'm a sinner.' I was trying to become a good person by practicing religious rites, including by praying a lot and fasting. Becoming good was one of my main concerns, and because of that, I entered a very difficult period. I decided to get to know myself. Now I'm glad that I know myself. I have my beliefs, I believe in my God, and I have my sexual orientation."

Gay and lesbian groups are marking International Day against Homophobia today, celebrating the day 17 years ago that the World Health Organization (WHO) removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses. Since then, the situation for homosexuals has improved in many parts of the world."

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/05/086f28c5-91d7-4d24-98f3-dfb9ceb3c836.html

As someone pointed out above the government is trying to kill them, but they most certainly exist.

[Kurovski]

58. It's a miracle of nature.

Isn't that something?

Just like when a Chicago alderwoman years ago said that there are no gays ("sissies") in the black community. I think that was a fairly common view. I imagine it still is.

Some need to be informed about the concept of "the down low." Or maybe drink an extra cup of coffee in the morning to get the processes moving.

Or maybe just finally knock off the lying, self-deluded, nutjobber-styled denial.

[eppur_se_muova]

60. He's channeling Queen Victoria? "Women don't do that sort of thing!"

I guess Iranians don't either.