Something DUers need to keep in mind about Hillary

[proud2BlibKansan]

From our paper's local political columnist today:

In the mailbox: Three campaign fund-raising appeals from anti-Clinton groups.

They are: the Official Campaign to Defeat Hillary, the Citizens Committee to Defeat Hillary Clinton and a third from retired FBI agent Gary Aldrich who writes on the envelope, “Bill and Hillary Clinton should be held accountable…”

The letter from the “official campaign” includes this line: “She is a scheming, hypocritical, big government, blame-America-first liberal and it would be an absolute disaster if she wins the presidency.”

This is only the beginning, folks…

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/6896

[rodeodance]

1. uga uga

[HughMoran]

69. My first thought as well

:crazy:

[saltpoint]

2. I've always felt that the Clintons were to blame for lung cancer as well.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. You have plenty of company

[ralphmich3]

64. Isn't one "Clinton" presidency enough???

I guess Bill and Hill want MORE, MUCH MORE...

[paulk]

68. yeah, that first one sure sucked, didn't it?

eight years of peace and prosperity...

I could barely stand it, myself.

;-)

[Whisp]

74. not for Iraq it wasn't. nt

[paulk]

77. that's gonna play real well with the voters

they feel for poor Saddam...

[yardwork]

78. I think if you asked most Iraqis, they'd say that on balance, it was better under Bill.

Say what you will about the Clintons, but Bill Clinton is the only Democrat in my lifetime to be reelected to the presidency. He's the only Democrat who survived the right-wing attack machine (some of them literally did not survive). Things weren't bad at all during the eight year Clinton presidency.

[Whisp]

80. kinda like

do you want your toenails pulled Clinton slowly, or Bushly fast?

Dennis Kucinich for pres.
new dynasty.

[yardwork]

82. Welcome to DU. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee.

I don't need new-comers using torture imagery to influence my vote, thanks.

[Whisp]

85. torture sure the Hell should influence your vote.

sorry to assault your sensibilities.
abu graib should be a Huge influence in how anyone votes.
Good lord, short paper shredder memories!
The people that are in charge (both houses of ill repuke) who dismiss this horrid crime and push it off to charging some underlings with it, are guilty. just as guilty as if they ordered it themselves. Where are the fricken 'Police' in this matter when loud demonstrators wearing pink get arrested and shoved around , when a Question can't be as loud as the anger you feel in even having to Ask it?

Where is the justice?

The Clinton years killed many many Iraqis, sanctions and bombings. it's The Truth. Why is it so hard to accept?

[Warpy]

19. Plus, they hopped in their Wayback machine

and sank the Titanic.

That being said, the enemy of my enemy is also a deadly enemy.

She's still my least favorite candidate.

[saltpoint]

27. Hi, Warpy. Yes. Their Wayback machine is their TICKET TO TERROR!

Senator Clinton may win the nomination. I acknowledge her lead in the current polls.

But I've seen "fixed" positions in polls dramatically and rapidly change, especially in the fall before an election cycle.

Edwards and Obama are giving her a run for her money in Iowa, with both Richardson and Joe Biden coming up from behind. There is a possibility that she'll prevail there and fend them all off, but a possibility also that she finishes 5th. That would be an inauspicious launch into the New Hampshire contest a week later.

And that's not even factoring in an entry by Al Gore.

Things are mighty volatile out there in the heartland.

[liberalnurse]

36. Let's not forget

dental carries too!

[saltpoint]

37. !

[Pyrzqxgl]

62. And guitars that won't stay in tune.

[saltpoint]

67. LOL!

[ralphmich3]

65. Fund Raising scandals have already begun

That is the convict Hsu and Hillary having to give back $800,000 of the money he raised.

And the indictment of Hillary's 2000 fund-raiser in California...

[TwilightZone]

3. Yes, and she's the only candidate the Republicans would target in the general election.

Right?

[Katherine Brengle]

20. Well said. As if they don't have plenty of ammunition, both real and fictional, against

all of them - anyone we throw at them, they will defame.

It doesn't matter. What matters is fighting back and exposing their hypocrisy and lies.

[W_HAMILTON]

76. Amen!

Guess what? These types of organizations are going to spring up to go against ANY Democratic candidate we have out there.

But you know what the difference is?

Hillary Clinton is used to this. She's been dealing with this for a decade. And she still is standing strong.

Put Obama, or Edwards, or one of the other lesser candidates out there, they'll face the same attacks, and they back down from them the same way Kerry did, the Republicans will keep digging the knife in deeper and deeper, and surprise! We barely lose another presidential election, and have another Republican in the White House.

[yardwork]

79. Absolutely! Why, look how they treated that nice John Kerry.

Really rolled out the red carpet for him.

[liberal renegade]

4. Here's hoping she wins by a landslide...

It's going to be fun watching all these Hillary haters implode....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Corporate America will be pleased

[liberalnurse]

38. I know I will be.

O8) Better than fresh baked bread! B-)

[emilyg]

58. I can hardly wait. Go Hillary!

[ralphmich3]

66. Hillary ain't baking no cookies neither,,, no siree

she's running for president... you hear that all you little people out there????!!!!

[emilyg]

72. good - I don't bake cookies either -

[ralphmich3]

86. Baking cookies is for little people

You and Hillary are BIG people - kind of like Bush and Cheney... you are the deciders - the rest of us bake cookies and other stupid things...

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

5. And if another Dem wins the primary then ....?

There won't be similar groups?

Honestly, I haven't decided who to vote for in the primaries, but the idea that the right will only target Sen. Clinton is pretty ludicrous.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. They hate Hillary worst of all

And silly me, I want a campaign focused on issues, not on personal attacks.

[CitizenLeft]

25. you mean like the 2004 election was?

They spent the entire campaign attacking Kerry and never touched the issues. And next year, they will attack whoever the nominee is again. They will lie and cheat and make up stuff regardless of who it is. Obama's not safe, Edwards is not safe, Richardson, Biden... they will attack them all. In fact - and I'm not YET a supporter of Hillary Clinton - since the stuff they have on her is so old and mouldy, it's least likely to stick to her if she's the nominee than it is if they come up with something new on the others. That crap just doesn't fly any more, and I don't think it will next year, either.

Don't make me defend her, LOL. The more the people who loathe her with such passion tear her down and shred her to pieces, the more that it has the opposite effect. That's exactly what happened to Clinton. When the Senate declined to find him guilty, they did it because Clinton's approval rating was 70%. People got sick of that crap, just as they will in 2008.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Worse than 2004

Much worse.

[yardwork]

26. I disagree. They "hate" anyone they think will win.

[Froward69]

55. Wrong they attack whom they think they can beat

so us Democrats will rally behind them. The republicans ignore whom they fear not bringing any publicity to the candidate they fear. Fact! read up on carl rove.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=56706&mesg_id=56706

The repubes are ignoring Joe Biden as they fear him as a candidate. And so most Democrats are going for name recognition and rallying behind Clinton and Obama. Biden's experience trumps them both.

[yardwork]

75. You ask me to read up on "carl rove" but I know not of whom you speak.

Who is this "carl rove" of whom you know so much?

[SoFlaJet]

33. and..she's the one candidate

that would absolutely energize the RW haters...a lot of them who would have considered just saying "fuck it, why bother?" and stay home will get IN their pick ups and SUV's and march down to the polls and vote-hate is a great motivator for them...I hope she doesn't win the nomination...I'd vote for her if she did but........

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Yes I agree

She will get my vote but her opposition will get even more votes just because she is on the ballot.

[Pyrzqxgl]

63. I'm not a Hilary supporter nor do I think she;s the only one that will draw RW ire.

Just look at the other candidates, each of whom has those qualities that substantial groups of RW loonies love to hate.
If they don't hate them now, just let one of them get the nomination and all the old epithets will come out of the woodwork. You better believe it.

[liberalnurse]

43. *bush won on the concept

that most Americans would prefer to have a beer with him.............:smoke:

[yardwork]

83. * didn't win at all, either time.

[ccpup]

6. your headline could have easily read:

Something DUers need to keep in mind about Obama

or

Something DUers need to keep in mind about Edwards

or even

Something DUers need to keep in mind about (fill in the blank)

because no matter who the Nominee is, the repugs will go after them with guns a'blazing. What the Repugs will do to our Candidate should not be a reason to vote or not vote for them.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. They will be worse with Hillary

They have had years to build up their hatred for her.

[TwilightZone]

17. Who cares what they think?

We should choose a candidate based on his or her qualifications, not based on what the opposition thinks of him or her. If we live in fear of how the Republicans might react, we could just as well not nominate anyone.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. The voters care

And our party has proven to not have what it takes to fight the RW noise machine. So they will win once again. It will be Swift Boating on steroids.

[TwilightZone]

34. Recent history disagrees with you.

Democrats won just about everything in '06, more voters are identifying themselves as Democrats, and there's little reason to believe the trend won't continue in '08.

Your defeatism has no basis.

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. And the Dems we worked so hard to elect have done such a bang up job

they are sure to double their numbers in Congress and take back the WH!!

:sarcasm:

[TwilightZone]

48. Yes, I'm sure that the voters will bail on the Dems after eight months.

Just like many here have.

[proud2BlibKansan]

50. If they continue to break their campaign promises,

who can blame the voters?

[liberalnurse]

42. Have you attended a Hillary Clinton Event yet?

Have you attended "any" Democratic Presidential Candidate Event this year? If not, may I suggest this option as an excellent way to get a sincere understanding of the Candidates position and potential to win.

You seem so mean and darn right vicious at times and I sense you have yet to really get your feet wet on the subject you so loudly attack.

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. I have been a party activist for years; I am a precinct captain

and I refuse to give Hillary my support now. Yes, refuse. So no I won't be going to her events anytime soon. I am busy working on Kucinich's campaign. When and if Hillary is nominated, I will vote for her but only because of the Supreme Court. I will continue to speak out against her pro-corporate, pro-military industrial policies. So maybe you should just put me on ignore since you think I am so vicious. We will likely continue to disagree.

[yardwork]

81. I am also a supporter of Kucinich, but I don't think that the right-wing response

is a valid reason to withhold support for Hillary Clinton. By all means, withhold support in the effort to get a more progressive candidate as our nominee. I agree with that.

Just don't assume that the right-wing lie machine will hold off on any of our candidates. It's not based on their personal feelings. This is business for them. Pure business.

[liberalnurse]

47. She has beaten them , the republicans daily for the past

20 years, beginning in Arkansas through to the Present! I think that is remarkable, no historical and a women at that.

No other Presidential Candidate in American History has ever stayed in the ring as long as Hillary has and still never get knocked down...ever....NO ONE.

[ckimmy57]

57. I so agree

I think the repukes are going afer her with guns blazing because they fear her the most, and they should. :scared: I personally like her and feel she would be a great president so I'd vote for her but I'll also support whatever democrat candidate gets the nomination.

[Catshrink]

7. She hasn't won a primary yet...

remember Howard Dean? Number one in the polls and bombed in the Iowa vote. I wonder what will happen with the people cast their votes. Until then, it's talking heads talking to talking heads.

[Cha]

8. My prob with hillary isn't that

she'll be defeated by fascist, hypocrital, zealots if she wins the nom..but, that she'll get in the white house and get busy paying back her corporate sponsors in expense of The People. bush, clinton, bush, clinton=cover up.

And what's with those damn enormous "pearls"..is that de riguer for lady polititians? Some code I'm not privy to?

[jobycom]

22. Then relax, your fears are unfounded, as the OP proves.

If corporate America thought she would pay them back, we wouldn't have crap like the letters the OP mentions.

[Cha]

46. Yeah, right..hillary

is a corporate loving(staff of life), dlcer, who the fascists hate because they want someone who will pander to them like fascistrudy, mccain, mitt, ..someone who is anti-choice. They are one issue hypocritical assholes.

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. it does not matter who wins the primary

the vast right-wing propaganda machine will be in full force. Everyone is in their path.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. And I think they will be at their worse if Hillary is nominated

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. I disagree

In fact, anything that they do to Clinton, has already been vetted in the media--for about 8 years! It will be a re-hash of the old crap.

I do not believe they will be any less forceful to other candidates. Look at what they did to Max Cleland! He was above reproach and they made stuff up. Look at what they did to Kerry, with the swiftboaters. It will be a bunch of ugly lies no matter who runs.

And, frankly, I do not want them to pick our candidate. And, make no mistake, if our fear of them keeps us from choosing a talented, intelligent, compassionate president, they win.

[TwilightZone]

23. Agreed.

We should pick our own candidate, not let fear of how the Republicans might react decide for us.

[SoFlaJet]

51. Agreed

but for me she's down on the list behind
Edwards
Obama
Biden and
Dodd
and all of THEM miles behind a possible Gore candidacy
What I don't understand is the major disconnect I feel from everywhere I go either here, or any of the blogs. So many people dislike her I just don't see where these positive poll numbers are coming from.I KNOW the media has already ordained her Saint Hillary but she just doesn't represent what I'm seeing and hearing from the dems on the street

[TwilightZone]

53. Most voters aren't that overtly political.

We political junkies aren't the ones who really decide the election. The voting block with the decision-making power is the group of people who don't pay attention to politics or get politically involved personally.

It's a huge group, and I think that they're the unknown factor behind the poll numbers.

[Debi]

21. They'll be at their worst no matter who the Democratic nominee is

Don't be fooled.

The groups against Clinton's candidacy are just using those who oppose her in our own party to wage political war against those who support her in our own party. They will do the same with Obama, Edwards, Biden, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich, Gravel if they move ahead in the national polling.

Dividing Democrats is their agenda, not defeating a particular candidate.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

32. There's the key word:

"I think".

Respectfully, you don't know, you think. I think that no matter who the Dem nominee the right will try to destroy her/him.

And, as has been pointed out, the stuff on Sen. Clinton is moldy. It should have been chucked out of the fridge long ago.

[spanone]

15. makes me want to vote for her.

[jobycom]

16. You are right. We should all keep in mind how scared the Republicans are of her.

That of course doesn't mean that anyone else from Obama to Gravel wouldn't kick Republicant ass to Mars.

[Liberal Veteran]

24. Of course if the front runner were Obama it would be....

They are: the Official Campaign to Defeat Obama, the Citizens Committee to Defeat Barack Obama and a third from retired FBI agent Gary Aldrich who writes on the envelope, “Barack Obama should be held accountable…”

The letter from the “official campaign” includes this line: “He is a scheming, hypocritical, big government, blame-America-first liberal and it would be an absolute disaster if he wins the presidency.”


I'd lay even odds that any PAC that calls itself "Citizens Against(insert whatever here)" is funded by corporate interests.

[Mythsaje]

28. See, and that's just wrong...

She's a conservative, pro-corporate Democrat who'd do as little as possible to change the landscape to put people before the corporations...and THAT'S the problem with her.

They've got one hell of a lot of nerve using the whole "big government" meme anymore, considering that Bush has grown the government far beyond what any Dem has done in recent memory. And as far as "blame-America-first..." well, we have to ask--should America be blamed EVER?

Not according to SOME people. Of course, these people are stupid, but, unfortunately, stupid people ALSO vote. It's a lot of the smart ones who don't.

[Cameron27]

71. Prove that she's a conservative pro-corporate Democrat

with her voting record please, because it seems quite liberal to me.

[sufrommich]

31. But if she's really just

just a corporate shilling DINO whore,then what are they so afraid of?:sarcasm:

[KoKo]

35. David Brooks on ABC feels she will win the Primary... Say's she's

sounding very Presidential. This isn't the first time he's made comments like that, though, about her.

[OzarkDem]

40. GOP has developed campaigns

to attack both Hillary and Edwards in the event they become the front runner.

Dems need to be just as organized - do the same by establishing anti-Giuliani and anti-Thompson campaigns.

[Jim__]

39. Of course, if it's not Hillary, the pukes will run an above-board campaign - n/t

[Zomby Woof]

41. Gary Aldrich sounds no worse than...

At least half of DU.

[Bitwit1234]

52. Gee five years after "The Coward" vacates the whte house

he will have found a way to blame Bill Clinton for the Iraq War, the money he gave to his family and friends and corporations in Iraq, the hurricane that destroyed New Orleans and the Gulf Coast and most of all the attack on the twin towers. Just wait folks we haven't seen anything yet.

The little turd loves to be the center of attention so much he won't shut up for fifty years.

[durrrty libby]

54. Any dem afraid of the crappy, crumbling repuke party are

complete losers. Fuck em

[Forkboy]

56. Tell that to the Congressional Dems.

[EFerrari]

59. LOL! Good idea. n/t

[ckimmy57]

61. Boy that's

the damn truth. They rolled right over on their backs. Look at us, we play nice...:sarcasm:

[HughMoran]

70. Hear hear

Only we can help to revive those hateful morons by giving them undeserved attention...

[bunkerbuster1]

60. I can think of reasons not to support Hillary.

That the meanie-head Republicans might tap into the stupidity of their sheep in order to drum up cash as a result of her candidacy might be around #467.

[yardwork]

84. lol - you said it well!

[ralphmich3]

87. We need a Triangulator/ DLCer in the White House!!!!

YEAH - THAT'S WHAT AMERICA NEEDS...

REPUBLICAN LITE.....

it's morning in America, again....

[cgrindley]

73. Yeah, that asshole Hilary made my souffle fall

something ought to be done.