After watching Hillary Clinton on MTP this morning

[malaise]

there is only one thing left to say.

Please, please Al Gore, Run in 2008.

[rodeodance]

1. She is a strong woman and I think she did great.

[blueknight]

3. i agree she is strong

and i would vote for her. BUT, she is a very polarizing figure, and would never get elected as president.

[sutz12]

37. George Bush was a 'polarizing figure.' Always has been. nt

[Captain_Nemo]

82. polarizing figure? PLease help me understand this in terms of candidates....

ronald Reagan was polarizing - he alienated liberals with his embracing and suport of the religious right wingers who wanted to overturn abortion rights and stop gay people in the tracks when it came to fighting for their rights.

Jimmy Carter was polarizing - Liberals went for him becasue of his stance on human rights. The rest of teh country hated him and continued to hate him to this day.

George H.W. Bush wasn't as polarizing - he was elecvted due to Lee atwater adn was not re-elected.

George W. Bush was and is polarizing.

Senator Hillary Clinton won the Senated seat twice handily. She is in the lead now over the much exalted Obama (deemed as the next savior (practically).) Everything she does people look and listen. You have to admit they don't ignore her.

[redstateblues]

4. Sorry- Her Iraq talking points are a "pantload alert"

When I hear her attitude about her Iraq vote it makes me mad

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[martymar64]

24. HAHAHAHA!!!!!

I have to write that one down! That's too funny.

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[TahitiNut]

44. Granny Rodham Applesauce?

:rofl:

[Cha]

32. I was setting up

my dvd player this morning and I saw hillary for a few seconds on one of those multitude of Sunday gasbag shows and those large pearls of her's always remind me of triangulation strangulation.

I'm sure she is a "strong woman" as said upthread but lots of people are strong ..that doesn't mean one wants them for president especially when, as you so eloquently stated, they give off "pantload alerts"!

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[Cha]

53. Wow, I sure didn't think of that..

Mainly because I try not to look at bb, but, now that you mention it! They just strike me because they seem so "uniform like"..I've seen them in the past on other women politicians..maybe kay baily hutchinson(not sure).
Plus, I think they're ugly(getting ready for a camera.."oh, let's not forget the gigantic pearls!")

I guess I'm too much into what a person wears because I think it makes a statement..especially, in public life. If a person were poor and couldn't afford decent clothes..well, that certainly isn't a clothes issue.

"Creepy" resonates.

[sufrommich]

55. Oh fer christ sake

Now her choice in jewelry is ominous??

[Cha]

56. Oh for cris sake, yourself..

the big picture! :think: I don't like hillary's policies and I don't like her fucking ping pong pearls.

[sufrommich]

60. Not liking her pearls and

calling her choice to wear them "uniform like" and "creepy" are two different things. It's pretty obvious you don't like her,but attaching negative connotations to a string of pearls is about as silly as it gets.Somehow, I can't imagine anyone doing the same for Obamas or Edwards choice of neck ware.

[Cha]

62. Probably cause they wouldn't

be wearing ugly necklaces like they thought it was so attractive.
Oh, I'm so insensitive..are those hillary's lucky pearls?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

67. not 'insensitive' ... ridiculous.

When we start doing post-interview fashion reviews on male candidates a post like this may have some standing.

[Cha]

72. Yeah, those

old lady pearls always bothered me and now I know why..because they remind me of barbara bush.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

66. It's 'creepy' posts like this that are convincing me

that HRC's critics are too blinded by hate and bullshit to take seriously.

[spanone]

2. can't wait til timmy grills rethuglicons like this over the iraqi war.

pfffft.

[durrrty libby]

5. She was fabulous. None better

[Window]

52. I was very impressed

with her this morning on MTP.



Peace

[babylonsister]

6. Nice of her to use Kerry when it's in her best interests but to trash him

or not stand up for him at other times. :eyes:

[kstewart33]

7. Guys, she's got the nomination.

I'm not a Hillary lover, but I'll give her this. She's sharp as a razor blade, an extremely dedicated, hard worker, and she's got the international experience. She's also a quick learner. She learns from her mistakes.

She's winning me over, and I'd bet, most of the Dems in this country. And for the first time, I think she can actually win this thing.

[spanone]

22. it ain't over til it's over

[Cha]

33. Darn tootin'

Silver tongue and all that doesn't add up to what our country really needs now!

[LibDemAlways]

28. There hasn't been a single vote cast yet. No one

has the nomination.

[kstewart33]

30. People are already voting at the polls.

The public opinion polls. She's raising more money, her Dem opponents fund raising appears to be stalling or dropping.

Her poll numbers are increasing everywhere.

With the primaries moving up on the calendar, she's got the momentum, and no one else does.

Those all look like convincing signs to me.

It's hers to lose. And she's not the losing type.

[LibDemAlways]

58. Well, no one has polled me yet. I intend to particpate in

a poll called the California primary. When the votes from primary and caucus voters in the various states are tallied, I'll be ready to acknowledge a winner. Not before.

[Frances]

65. I'm in CA too

I voted for John Edwards in 2004. Haven't decided this time around. But I am impressed with Hillary's campaign thus far. I am sick of Bush for sure.

[halobeam]

75. yep thats true

but its all against the dems, isn't it? I think she'd rally a "anybody but Hillary" voter turnout, just as so many ppl said that about Kerry... "anybody but Bush".

'cept, I think more people dislike Hillary than they did Kerry.

I can NOT see her winning this presidency. I think if Edwards or Obama ran, they'd gather many votes from mod. republicans, in an "anybody but republican" or "anything but stay the course" vote.

jmo.

I also believe thats why the media has pushed her as a frontrunner since before she announced she would run. They gave her so much more coverage, and pushed her on their audience whether it was neg. or pos. publicity. It's a republican dream, cuz they believe, just as I have stated above.

[Marr]

34. Why do Hillary's supporters *always* insist that she's already won?

It's the same thing the right wing and the corporate media have been saying for about a year and a half. There hasn't been a vote yet. She doesn't have shit.

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[ronnie624]

47. Yes, she probably has the nomination,

so we might as well just go ahead and vote for her, even though she represents nothing but the status quo, ie: the continued corruption of our government, by those who are motivated by nothing but a desire for profit, power and control.


Not.


Her 'enrichment of the insurance executives plan' shows clearly what Hillary Clinton is about. I don't mean to attack her personally. She is merely doing what is expected of her as an integral part of our corporatist system. She is dong what she must in order to be successful within the framework of that system.

I stand outside that framework, and I will never step within. I will never participate in the corruption of my government, and if I voted for Hillary Clinton, I feel that is what I would be doing.

Yes, she is a smart, motivated and dedicated to her cause. But what exactly is that cause?

[LibDemAlways]

57. Hillary Clinton's cause is Hillary Clinton. eom

[bigdarryl]

8. Shes FLIPPIN AND FLOPPING all over the place JESUS!!!!!

[Skidmore]

16. Yeah.... the visual she conjured for me was a fish flopping on the shore.

[Clintonista2]

74. I wonder if she can beat Obama's 6 flip-flops in one day record?

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. what didn't you like about her Malaise?

I was impressed with her. She is smart, articulate, (two qualities that are lacking in the current president). She explained her views and the progression as the facts before her changed--not flip-flopping as bigdarryl suggests, but revision based on new facts.

I think she was awesome.

[Horse with no Name]

11. Ahh the Clintonian triangulating at it's best

I just think we deserve better.

[Frances]

13. You mean like Fred Thompson or Rudy or Mitt?

nt

[retread]

18. What a depressing thought! Clinton or one of those three. n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. please explain

[malaise]

21. She is devoid of convictions

A classic opportunist. Make no mistake though - she is smart and articulate.

Run Al Run!

[DURHAM D]

27. "devoid of convictions" "classic opportunist"

Good grief - What were you doing at 19, 20, 21?

Hillary spoke to the graduating class at Wellesley in 1969 (first time ever for a student to speak at their graduation) - parts of the speech were printed in Life magazine and she made national news as an activist.

She has been trying to change things for the better for 40 years.

How about you?

[Marr]

35. I'll tell you what I *wasn't* doing at that age: voting Republican, like Hillary.

[DURHAM D]

39. She wasn't either.

The first election that she would have been eligible to vote in was 1972. Since she was working/organizing for McGovern my guess is she voted for McGovern.

She changed her political views while still in high school. She graduated from high school in 1965 and had already changed parties.

Try again - you need a history lesson.

[BlooInBloo]

41. The truth simply doesn't matter to the rabid anti-Clinton people.

[Marr]

71. She was a member of the Young Republicans at Wellesly College.

So please, tell me why that truth doesn't matter.

[BlooInBloo]

79. For the pwn: Because it was 40 years ago?

[Marr]

81. So-- remind me again-- it's Hillary's *critics* who don't care about facts, yeah?

I see.

[BlooInBloo]

85. Precisely. Glad you understand.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Organizing For McGovern In Texas Of All Places

It wasn't like Bill and Hill were asking folks to vote for him in hospitable Massachussetts...

[DURHAM D]

48. I figure there are at most 2000 posters here

at the DU who hate Hillary with a passion beyond reason. The majority of them are likely not registered Democrats. Actually, a major portion of them are likely not registered at all.

Given the current polls they are marginalized outliars. I would feel a little sorry for them if they weren't liars as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. They Deserve A Place To Vent

Whenever I get frustrated with an internet adversary I comfort myself ny knowing I am doing a public service by keeping him or her from engaging in some more nefarious activity, if only for an instance...

[Marr]

70. I've seen plenty of passive aggression before, but I don't

think I've ever had someone suggest I was some kind of threat to society for disagreeing with them before. Kudos to you-- that's some grade A hysteria.

[Marr]

69. She was a member of the Young Republicans while at Wellesly.

That's not high school. Keep your history lessons to yourself, thanks.

[malaise]

68. What was I doing at 18, 19, 20?

Just making up numbers at student protests and anti-war rallies I guess. I'm a nonentity.

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. I see her as someone who has championed for rights of children

for her whole adult life. How is she more of an opportunist than any one else running for office?

[Captain_Nemo]

83. Well said! n/t

[Mira]

12. Her father musta been a glassblower

Every time I watch her I have the sense of seeing straight through her. Instead of trying to please as many as possible with politically correct answers all she is doing is finding new sorry ways to excuse her sorry votes. All of that just to not say
"I'm sorry" and with it maybe make flip-flopping headlines.

Bush should be in a straight jacket or in jail. And she should have the courage to say so.

But if I can't have Gore, or Kucinich, or any of the other Democrats running, I will vote for her.

[mitchum]

29. LOL!! "Her father musta been a glassblower"

that is a very well-turned phrase
well done :)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Did she mention "the failing insurgency" she once trumpeted?

Or, did she merely sing the song about the necessity of keeping the troops in Iraq for "humanitarian" reasons?

[still_one]

19. I hear you, but it must be remembered that Iraq isn't the only issue

the truth is the Supreme Court is at stake in 2008. That will determine civil rights, Healthcare, working conditions, a woman's right to choose, and so many other social issues

If Iraq was the only issue I wouldn't vote for any of the leading Democrats or any of the republicans

However, it isn't

It also hasn't been determined who our nominee will be, and I certainly wish Gore would run, but don't think it will happen

[Marr]

36. All the more reason to support an actual Democrat, rather than a DINO.

We haven't had primaries yet, so I don't see why people are holding up the Supreme Court as a reason to support Hillary Clinton.

[still_one]

51. I am not fond of Hillary, but her positions on choice, civil rights, etc, hardly make her a DINO

If you look at the top leading Democratic candidates, Clinton, Obama, and Edwards, NOT ONE OF THEM are calling for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Excluding Kucinich, Dodd, or Richardson, Edwards would be the closest one to actually get us out of Iraq, and so right at this time he will probably get my vote in the primaries. Of course if dynamics change, i.e. Gore jumps in the race, or Dodd, Richardson, or Kucinich suddently gain momentum, I will change accordingly

[johnfunk]

20. The interview made Mouthbreather Timmeh "I Heart Iraq War" Russert look bad, not Hillary

Hey, I like Gore too, but here's a fact:

ANY one of the Democratic candidates -- Clinton, Edwards, Obama, Richardson, Biden, Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich -- is not only far more qualified than Bush but far more qualified than the GOP "clown college o'candidates."

One other thing:

Tim Russert's PRIMARY media function is to inject Heritage Foundation, AEI and RNC talking points into news coverage and analysis.

[malaise]

23. That is given

and if she wins the nomination all my kith and kin will vote for her but at this time the planet needs Gore.

[snappyturtle]

91. Thank you. I do not like what I've heard of her health care program

or her waffling at when the troops should come home. I think she said she would do it (re-deployment) in a "responsible" manner.....is that when she brings them out as fast as possible or years down the road? I also did not buy her reason for voting for the war.I don't remember her pushing for diplomacy first...did she?

I'm sorry folks...I just find her too filled with open ended answers.....to be filled in later. I too will vote for her if she gets the nomination but I will hold my nose doing so. I too want, have always wanted, and will want Gore to run...Go Al!

[global1]

25. I Heard Something On Randi's Saturday Replay On AAR About HRC That Distrurbed Me.....

Randi was talking to a "Code Pinker" and this woman said that HRC is preventing certain people from attending her campaign events. In fact - it was said that HRC's security guards are even more strongarmed than *'s.

Is there any truth to that?

I have to say if this is true that I don't want that type of behavior to continue in our government. What happened to Free Speech and Right to Assemble and to speak one's mind in this country?

I know that I would and should expect that out of *Co and the Repugs - but to hear this coming from HRC's campaign - just makes me wonder what we'll be in store for if she wins the nomination and goes on to the presidency.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not against a woman being president. In fact I admire Hillary. But what scares me is if she wins the length of time that this country will be run by just two political families.

GHWB 4 yrs + WC 8 yrs + GWB 8 yrs + HRC possibly 4 or 8 yrs = 24 to 28 yrs dominance - with much of the same players being recycled into the system. Much of these players have their friends and enemies and to me that equates to more partisan bickering without moving this country forward in any real manner.

I'm open to somebody talking me through my concerns.

[babylonsister]

26. Yep. Go here and watch this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=56019

What Medea says towards the end is key.

[leftchick]

50. it is true

Medea referred to them as Hillary's Goons. here is a vid clip....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUV-xEMgGUo

[Captain_Nemo]

90. Two ideas for your post......

1. The time to argue about the potential of a Bush / Clinton dynasty needed to be addressed when the George. W. Bush first ran for office.
That was the indication we needed to stop him for more than his lack of values and brains.

We are in such a mess (and I am not exagerrating) that the best candidate for the job is Hillary Clinton. We need the problems solved more than we can afford a national experiment (much like the failed Ralph Nader experiemnt in 2000 ie;" I should be able to vote for who I want." The stakes were high and we lost.

2. Imagine for a moment that gender was not an isuse? We are 40 years after the great women's liberation movement. Why would anyone let someone's gender stand in the way of your beliefs on that person. The red states will vote the way they vote. Our job is to keep the issues at the forefront and vote for the best person for the job.

My money is on Hillary Clinton. Her voting record on Global Warming is great. And that is the greatest threat to us right now. ON Iraq she can deal with the issues. Even Alan Greenspan admitted that one. So did many other high ranking politicians over the years when asked the same questoin.

She is the most qualified.

The bottom line is the thing that should scare you most is the environmental threat (look at todays AP article on the US map that shows flooding within 50 years) and the economic disparity that threatens our republic not a potential 16 run of Bush's and Clinton's. If that happens there is time to address that issue nationally. Let's get the country back on the right (make that "correct") path.

Cheers.

[kurth]

31. Only people named Bush or Clinton are fit to govern?

WTF.

[Zomby Woof]

40. You are wrong

No one named Bush has EVER been fit to govern.

[AlCzervik]

46. ding ding ding.

[otohara]

80. Which Bush Are You Talking About?

Poppy, Jeb, or current resident? I don't live in Florida and can't really say if Jebby was fit, but the other two most definitely not fit. In my humble opinion, the Clinton's are "fit". They are smarter than the entire Bush family. Chealsea is smarter than Bush children, at least Bar and Jenna, wouldn't you say?

[Captain_Nemo]

84. The Bush/Clinton royal argument...where were you in 200o with this argument. That's when we needed

We are in quagmires left and right and Clinton is the only one (in the list of candidates) that can handle this.

Too bad if you don't like the Bush Clinton situation - it needed to be dealt with in 2000.

No one seemed so interested then.

Missed chance.

[Joanne98]

54. I agree and it's getting late. He has to run!

[emilyg]

59. She did great.

[BlooInBloo]

63. If she says something good, DUers say "who cares what she says"...

... if she says something bad, they magically change their tune, and care GREATLY what she says. What pathetic hypocrisy.

DUers just KNOW she is pure evil and cannot possibly be good. Therefore everything she says and does is filtered through that lens.

[calteacherguy]

64. I thought she did great on MTP. I was very impressed. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. She Is Smart And Tough

Is it sexist to say she has cojones...

[ralphmich3]

76. Voting for Bush's war in 2002 - dumb

horrible... the worst foreign policy decision since the Vietnam war..

[napi21]

77. I think she did a GREAT JOB Timmy wasn't easy on her either!

each of you are certainly free to support the candidate you prefer, but I have my choice narrowed down to 2. Clinton or Biden. I still slightly prefer Biden, but so far he seems to be having a very difficult time gaining any traction. Joe is still the candidate I send $$ to, and I'm hoping, but if the final winner isn't Joe, then I hope it's Clinton.

[depakid]

78. Imressive- she rationalizes almost as well as a Republican

and considering that, after 8 years in the White House, she surely knew what was up, her answers about her votes strained credulity.

[Captain_Nemo]

86. as i read the posts all I can ask is...can we stay away from the following words

as we talk about the Senator:

polarizing
triangulation
opportunistic.


Can we stick with the issues?

[slowry]

87. If she was registered (R), I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. n/t

[2rth2pwr]

88. Hillary was great today on all the shows

She is very comfortable and is running her campaign without fear. I don't think Obama or Edwards can touch her if she continues like this.

[Cameron27]

89. I finally saw it and I thought she did a great job.