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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:34 AM
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CONDEMN THIS: new MoveOn ad
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 09:36 AM by nashville_brook
as proposed by me.




(here's the text)

On the eve of the Senate’s condemnation of a MoveOn advertisement critical of General David Petrayus’ new role as pimpdaddy, one can only wonder if they’ll have the votes to condemn Admiral William Fallon for similar criticism, calling Petrayus an “ass kissing little chicken shit.” If rhyming “Petrayus” to “Betray Us” can trigger a congressional event, it seems only proportional that actually calling Petrayus an “ass kissing little chickenshit” would buy you a one-way ticket to Club Gitmo.

Congress is now condemning political speech by civilians ... speech, that it critical of the political prostitution of the military to a corrupt executive branch (remember those subpoenas). This outrage is holographic — outrage within outrage.

The brick-shittingly worst part, is this episode marks a Rubicon-esque crossing. As if being spied on by our government wasn’t bad enough. As if federalizing the National Guard doesn’t get your posse in a comitatus. As if failing to re-instate Habeas Corpus doesn’t bend your mind into pretzel (caution: choking hazard).

Today they denounce free speech.

What a bunch of ASS KISSING LITTLE CHICKEN SHITs.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:39 AM
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1. Nice
:)
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:39 AM
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2. Have you submitted it?
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 09:44 AM by saddlesore
Of course it would be nice to get Fallon on the record.

I still like the ad though...;-)

No Fear.

edited for a little clarity...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:44 AM
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4. thanks -- it just occurs to me that this week say a TRIFECTA of freedom of speech
news:

the ad
FOX censoring Sally Field's war sentiment
the tasing of the UF guy


lots of speech issues this week. could be a trend.
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:47 AM
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8. I think you have a career opportunity!
You forgot the best one. Shrub saying Mandela was dead.

Killed all them Mandela types...you know peaceful guys...he killed them, like Mandela.

Make up a couple more ads and send them to Move On...

Good work!

No Fear.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:13 AM
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21. sheesh -- i could use one of those!
:)
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:43 AM
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3. I'd go with a larger font.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:46 AM
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6. that's the damn jpg -- i have a PDF, but Flickr won't take PDFs
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:34 AM
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14. Do a screen capture of the PDF.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:41 AM
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15. i could make one, but it would be lower rez than the jpg...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:50 AM
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19. HERE YOU GO -- a PDF to download
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:22 PM
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25. Excellent
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:45 AM
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5. Sweet
K & R
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:46 AM
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7. I support your proposal
:thumbsup:
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:53 AM
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9. Nice!
Way to go! I wonder if there are web sites where this could be published, not just limited to DU.

But THANKS for posting it, clever and apropos.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:39 PM
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24. download PDF and send to everyone on your email list!
or, print and leave everywhere you go this weekend -- :)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:57 AM
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10. ......why doesn't junior & his dick talk about the real hero?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:59 AM
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11. Gotta love it
Putting it right back in their face.
Free Speech still lives until they lock MoveOn down anyway!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:06 PM
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23. notice all the weird free speech issues this week? the ad, the tazing, the emmys
not been a good week for democracy.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:05 AM
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12. Why hasn't Fallon been condemned?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:14 AM
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13. we kid about this, but there's a major rift in the Pentagon btwn the pimps and career folk
for a second there I thought i'd provide some links, but stories of this are everywhere -- Mother Jones covered it way back in 2002, focusing on the WHIG. The Nation has looked at the rift from every side, this week focusing on Blackwater. it goes back to Rumsfeld (and even farther back to Nixon) and may never get cleaned up.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:47 AM
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16. condemn this!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:48 AM
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17. moronic and
whiny.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:57 AM
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20. just like this >>>>>
So the President, behaving a little bit more than usual, like we'd all interrupted him while he was watching his favorite cartoons on the DVR, stepped before the press conference microphone and after side-stepping most of the substantive issues like the Israeli raid on Syria in condescending and infuriating fashion, produced a big-wow political finish that indicates, certainly, that if it wasn't already -- the annual Republican witch-hunting season is underway.

"I thought the ad was disgusting. I felt like the ad was an attack not only on General Petraeus, but on the U.S. Military.

"And I was disappointed that not more leaders in the Democrat party spoke out strongly against that kind of ad.

"And that leads me to come to this conclusion: that most Democrats are afraid of irritating a left-wing group like Move-On-Dot-Org -- or **more** afraid of irritating them, than they are of irritating the United States military."

"That was a sorry deal."

First off, it's "Democrat-ic" party, Sir.

You keep pretending you're not a politician, so stop using words your party made up. Show a little respect.

Secondly, you could say this seriously after the advertising/mugging of Senator Max Cleeland? After the swift-boating of John Kerry?

But most importantly... making that the last question?

So that there was no chance at a follow-up?

So nobody could point out -- as Chris Matthews so incisively did, a week ago tonight -- that you were the one who inappropriately interjected General Petraeus into the political dialogue of this nation in the first place!

Deliberately, premeditatedly, and virtually without precedent, **you** shanghaied a military man as your personal spokesman -- and now you're complaining about the outcome, and then running away from the microphone?

Eleven months ago the President's own party -- the Republican National Committee -- introduced this very different kind of advertisement, just nineteen days before the mid-term elections.

Bin Laden.

And Zawahiri's rumored quote of six years ago about having bought "suitcase bombs."

All set against a ticking clock, and finally a blinding explosion... and the dire announcement:

"These are the stakes - vote, November 7th."

That one was ok, Mr. Bush?

Terrorizing your own people in hopes of getting them to vote for your own party has never brought as much as a public comment from you?

The Republican Hamstringing of Captain Max Cleeland and lying about Lieutenant John Kerry met with your approval?

But a shot at General Petraeus -- about whom you conveniently ignore it is you who reduced him from four-star hero to a political hack -- that merits this pissy juvenile blast at the Democrats on national television?

Your hypocrisy is so vast, Sir, that if we could somehow use it to fill the ranks in Iraq you could realize your dream -- and keep us fighting there until the year 3000.

The line between the military and the civilian government is not to be crossed.

When Douglas MacArthur attempted to make policy for the United States in Korea half a century ago, President Truman moved quickly to fire him, even though Truman knew it meant his own political suicide, and the de-ification of a General who history suggests had begun to lose his mind.

When George McClellan tried to make policy for the Union in the Civil War, President Lincoln finally fired his chief General, even though he knew McClellan could galvanize political opposition - as he did... when McClellan ran as Lincoln's presidential opponent in 1864 and nearly defeated our greatest president.

Even when the conduit flowed the other way and Senator Joseph McCarthy tried to smear the Army because it wouldn't defer the service of one of McCarthy's staff aides, the entire civilian and Defense Department structures -- after four years of fearful servitude -- rose up against McCarthy and said "enough" and buried him.

The list is not endless -- but it is instructive.

Air Force General LeMay -- who broke with Kennedy over the Cuban Missile Crisis -- and was retired.

Army General Edwin Anderson Walker -- who started passing out John Birch Society leaflets to his soldiers.

Marine General Smedley Butler -- who revealed to Congress the makings of a plot to remove F-D-R as President -- and for merely being approached by the plotters, was phased out of the military hierarchy.

These careers were ended because the line between the military and the civilian is... not... to... be... crossed!

Mr. Bush, you had no right to order General Petraeus to become your front man.

And he obviously should have refused that order and resigned rather than ruin his military career.

The upshot is -- and contrary it is, to the Move-On advertisement -- he betrayed himself more than he did us.

But there has been in his actions a sort of reflexive courage, some twisted vision of duty at a time of crisis. That the man doesn't understand that serving officers cannot double as serving political ops, is not so much his fault as it is your good, exploitable, fortune.

But Mr. Bush, you have hidden behind the General's skirts, and today you have hidden behind the skirts of 'the planted last question' at a news conference, to indicate once again that your presidency has been about the tilted playing field, about no rules for your party in terms of character assassination and changing the fabric of our nation, and no **right** for your opponents or critics to as much as **respond**.

That, Sir, is not only un-American -- it is dictatorial.

And in **pimping** General David Petraeus, Sir, in violation of everything this country has been assiduously and vigilantly against for 220 years, you have tried to blur the gleaming **radioactive** demarcation between the military and the political, and to portray **your** party as the one associated with the military, and your opponents as the ones somehow antithetical to it.

You did it again today, Sir, and you need to know how history will judge the line you just crossed.

It is a line -- thankfully only the first of a **series** -- that makes the military political, and the political, military.

It is a line which history shows is always the **first** one crossed when a democratic government in some other country has started down the long, slippery, suicidal slope towards a Military Junta.

Get back behind that line, Mr. Bush, before some of your supporters mistake your dangerous transgression, for a call to further politicize **our** military.

---

Good night, and good luck.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:14 AM
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22. Don't those morons know it's whiny to call names?
Oh, wait...
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:50 AM
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18. that deserves publication
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:17 PM
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26. here's a PDF to print it out to leave in the Free Speech Zone of your choosing -- :)
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:56 PM
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27. I knew you would be famous!!!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:01 PM
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28. that's actually for another mock ad -- from Daily KOS -- support DU! support my ad!
just kidding -- i did this to amuse myself and for no other reason... sigh... :)
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:06 PM
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29. Copy is the sincerest form a flattery...
Even if it was not a copy of your ad...you must have tapped into the cosmic flow...

Peace!
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:07 PM
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30. Brilliant work.
Kick...again.

Support DU artist!!!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:08 PM
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31. I would caution that saying "new moveon ad" will have people believing that's true.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:30 PM
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34. you have a point -- i was careful not to use their logo at the bottom, but my subject line
IS misleading. wish i could change it.

i do say "proposed by me" which i hoped to be a sly way of saying the same. oh well.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:11 PM
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32. brown nosing chickenhawk
would be more appropriate and media friendly. ;)
can't say shit and ass, man. you know how sensitive we all are.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:13 PM
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33. Don't we now have a governor sitting in jail as a political prisoner
Political prisoners being a sure sign we have now fallen into third world status.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:33 PM
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35. here's a really good NYT article about him: Don Siegelman, former Democratic governor of Alabama
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091007S.shtml

The Strange Case of an Imprisoned Alabama Governor
By Adam Cohen
The New York Times

Monday 10 September 2007

Alberto Gonzales is out as attorney general, but there is still a lot of questionable Justice Department activity for Congress to sort through. The imprisonment of Don Siegelman, a former Democratic governor of Alabama, should be at the top of the list. Jill Simpson, an Alabama lawyer and Republican operative, is heading to Washington this week to tell Congressional investigators that she heard prominent Republicans plotting to use the United States attorneys' offices to remove Mr. Siegelman as a political threat. The case should be the focus of a probing Congressional hearing this fall.

Mr. Siegelman was a major frustration to Alabama Republicans. The state is bright red, but Mr. Siegelman managed to win the governorship in 1998 with 57 percent of the vote. He was defeated for re-election in 2002 under suspicious circumstances. In the initial returns, Mr. Siegelman appeared to have won by a razor-thin margin. But a late-night change in the tallies in Republican Baldwin County gave the current governor, Bob Riley, a victory of a little more than 3,000 votes out of 1.3 million cast.

Mr. Siegelman has charged that the votes were intentionally shifted by a Republican operative. James Gundlach, an Auburn University professor, did a statistical analysis of the returns and found that the final numbers were clearly the result of intentional manipulation. Mr. Siegelman wanted to take back the governorship in 2006, but his indictment made it impossible.

If Ms. Simpson is telling the truth, she provides important support for Mr. Siegelman's claim that his prosecution was political. In a sworn affidavit, she says she was on a phone call in November 2002 with Governor Riley's son, Rob Riley, and Bill Canary, a Republican political operative whose wife, Leura Canary, is the United States attorney for Montgomery. According to Ms. Simpson, they were discussing the political threat Mr. Siegelman posed, and Mr. Canary said his "girls" - his wife and Alice Martin, the United States Attorney in Birmingham - would take care of Mr. Siegelman. Ms. Simpson said Mr. Canary also said the case had been discussed with Karl Rove.

(more at link)

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:01 PM
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37. Tom DeLay and his PAC does a thousand times more corruption than Siegelman
and the Just Us system is only working on maybe perhaps chastising aides of Delay.

But T-shirt wearer protesters and Siegelman are sitting in jail.

Now how first world country is that? Not!
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:47 PM
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36. AKCS
would be a useful acronym to implement here.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:05 PM
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38. ? please tell
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:12 PM
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39. Ass kissing chicken shit. nt
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