There's one thing that's happened in DU today that's REALLY impressed me.

[Redstone]

All those posts - more than I can count - whose message has consisted of "Fuck the Senate, let's rally to the support of MoveOn.org"

That's the way to get it done. That's the way to go toe-to-toe with the rightwingers. Stand your ground and not give an inch. Send the message that if the rightwingers (and cowardly Democratic Senators) want to fuck with an honorable organization, one that is in some ways a sister organization to DU, we of the righteous will answer the call.

Those of you who have made those posts, and taken those actions, and have provided that information, are the real Americans. Not the rightwing jerkoffs who are celebrating the Punk Senate's disgraceful action of today.

You know who you are, and I salute you for being intelligent and energetic enough to realize that support of MoveOn is perhaps the best mechanism we've had in a long time to stand up and say: "This is enough."

Redstone

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. After I cursed my head off, I received a petition in the mail from Moveon and I signed it.

In the message box, I thanked both of my Senators for voting no on the Cronyn Amendment and told them that I was signing the petition in solidarity with Moveon. My Senators are Clinton and Schumer.

[Gabi Hayes]

2. hope you're right, but it remains to be seen just how far the M$M is willing

to carry right wing water on this

will the outrage over the forever war outweigh the fascist's ploy of relying, as always, on marketing techniques to pull the wool over the eyes of the average 'news' consumer?

[Redstone]

3. God questions. Wish I knew the answers. It was a good thing to see, anyway.

Redstone

[OHdem10]

4. "It is easier to trash MoveOn than to defend the WAR.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

5. Has the Senate ever taken the time to vote on an ad or anything similar to this?

I'm new to this story (in class all day) and still a bit stunned that the Senate held this bullshit vote. I'm stuck with Dole and Burr, but MoveOn is absolutely getting another donation...

[Lerkfish]

13. well, congress DID hold an illegal Terri Shaivo vote

which, in the grand scheme of things is even more bizarre than this.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

23. Oh yeah. Legislation Dim Son signed in his jammies? (n/t)

[Lerkfish]

25. right, and even beyond the tragic christonatrailerhitch cl@sterf@ck that circus was...

congress can pass no law about a single person.

yet they did.

in their jammies.

[Frances]

6. Would it have been possible to amend the move-on motion

to also include a comdemnation of those who wore bandaids to the Repub convention to dishonor a man who won Navy medals as well as a comdenation of the ads that showed a Vietnam hero morphing into Osama?

I am a die hard Dem but I don't like it when the Dem Senators let the Repubs define what's honorable and what isn't. The Repubs are phony bullies and the Dems need to answer an attack with a counterattack. Nobody likes wimps.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

8. That came to mind immediately...

and if the Senate ended up in a damn brawl debating MoveOn v. The Purple Band-aid Crowd, so be it. I'm sick and tired of playing nice.

[cali]

9. The Boxer Amendment- voted down n/t

[ljm2002]

11. Barbara Boxer tried...

...it did not pass.

[Marr]

20. How in the hell could that fail?

We do have a majority, after all. There is no way in hell any Democrat should vote to condemn MoveOn.org, but not the swiftboaters, the purple band-aid crowd, etc.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

7. ",...we of the righteous,..."?

OH! MY!!!

There is something happening in this post giving me heebeejeebees.

:hide:

[cali]

10. that makes two of us

gag me.

[Redstone]

18. Read post #12. If you're still gagging, let me know.

Redstone

[Redstone]

12. Yes, "We of the righteous." We, who oppose pointless wars. We, who oppose

the denial of basic human rights to our fellow citizens, just because they happen to be homosexual instead of heterosexual.

We, who believe that govermnent should act for the greater good. We, who believe that all Americans should be treated equally in the eyes of the law. We, who believe that our Government should use the tax dollars that some of us can afford to pay, to help those less fortunate than we are.

We, who believe that our Government should not abandon an entire city of its own people (That would be New Orleans).

Any of those positions too righteous for you? If so, so be it.

Redstone

[Lerkfish]

14. I'm with you, redstone

even though I had to leave here recently, you're espousing the very principles I personally hold dear.

[libnnc]

15. !

You know how much I love you tonight?

This much ((((((((:loveya:))))))))))

[Redstone]

21. Thank you. I gotta go now, though. Keep a lamp lit for me, would you?

Redstone

[cali]

22. I'm with you on all the issues, Redstone

but I am really uncomfortable with classifying any group of people as "the righteous".

I'm funny about language; picky as hell, as a matter of fact. Rhetoric and its uses is something I've studied, and certain rhetoric just makes me uncomfortable.

[Mythsaje]

37. There's a significant difference between "righteous" and "self-righteous."

The trick is knowing the difference.

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. If you don't believe your position is righteous, where is the motivation to defend it?

Righteousness may be an emotionally laden word because of its connection with charismatic Christian preaching, but Redstone is absolutely correct.

The cause of peace is righteous.
The cause of justice is righteous.
The cause of civil liberty is righteous.
The cause of environmental preservation is righteous.

I am not going to shrink from that word because some right-winger thinks illegal invasions, racist judicial rulings, warrantless wiretapping and elimination of corporate responsibility with regard to pollution are righteous.

I care and work to enrich humanity and improve our planet precisely because I believe my stance is morally justifiable and virtuous. The very definition of righteous.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

16. I donated $50 to Moveon

Felt good!

[Nimrod2005]

17. Yup, and I donated too.....nt

[AuntPatsy]

19. I think as much as I love this thread that it would be in our best interests

to tread carefully on putting one up on a pedestal, it seems every time we do they get shot down, my point being to put all one's egg in one basket makes it easier for them to be crushed and leave you without even one.

[sandyd921]

24. Agree 1000%!!!

"That's the way to get it done. That's the way to go toe-to-toe with the rightwingers. Stand your ground and not give an inch. Send the message that if the rightwingers (and cowardly Democratic Senators) want to fuck with an honorable organization, one that is in some ways a sister organization to DU, we of the righteous will answer the call."

Couldn't have said it better! :applause:

[maseman]

26. I sent them $100

that I shouldn't be sending.

[BlooInBloo]

27. Yup.

[Quixote1818]

28. Your threads have been a big part of getting us riled up!

You are a big part of that momentum! Good job and thanks for the inspiration and all the great posts today! It's time to fight back! Enough is enough!

[BigBearJohn]

29. Way to go Redstone! I'm with you!!! K/R

[robinlynne]

30. yes and your posts today have been right on target!

[Pushed To The Left]

31. The right wing is trying to divide the progressive movement by pitting Democrats against MoveOn

Why don't they take our advice and stand up to the religious right and neocons who have taken over their party?

[Richard Steele]

32. I agree. K&R

[Liberal In Texas]

33. Hey Redstone...

You rock....

I always enjoy (and seldom disagree) with your posts...-L

:yourock:

[L0oniX]

34. So much for the ol "sticks and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me"

Seems that words do hurt some people. What a bunch of wimps!

[here_is_to_hope]

35. K/R!

Absolutely! I feel sold out by those punks who caved or perhaps showed their true colors.
No matter how its said, "Betrayus" was lying.

[VP505]

38. K&R

Thanks for pointing that out.