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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:56 PM
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Without Hillary's Support, The War Might Never Have Happened
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-j-davis/without-hillarys-support_b_65256.html

Without Hillary's Support, The War Might Never Have Happened
Posted September 20, 2007 | 05:53 PM (EST)
Ryan J Davis


Remember these words?


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members..."


What about these:


"f left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Scary stuff--positively Cheney-esque in its evocation of nuclear and biological nightmare scenarios. There is even a reference to the evildoers themselves: those ubiquitous Al Qaeda members, presumably nestled securely in one of Saddam's palaces, laughing it up with Uday and Qusay as we go about our business, ignorant of their infernal schemes.

This wasn't Dick Cheney talking, though. Or George Bush. Or Condoleezza Rice or Colin Powell. It wasn't the daily two-minute hate from the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly. These words were spoken by a candidate who may very well be the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008: Hillary Clinton, on the floor of the U.S. Senate, on October 10, 2002.

Hillary Clinton's support of the war was no technicality, and talking about it isn't mere hair-splitting. It's not about harping on one particular vote that she still won't apologize for, or playing Russert-style "gotcha" with fear-mongering quotes from days of yore. George Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq; that much is clear. But without bipartisan support, or the support of the Washington foreign policy establishment (and with it, the D.C. media elite), the run-up to the invasion would have been very, very different. Maybe we would have had a real debate over the merits of the invasion. Maybe the intelligence would have been properly analyzed. Maybe a forthright discussion of the possible costs of the war would have taken place. We'll never know, though, because the "serious" foreign policy experts, the press, and virtually all Democratic leaders were actively telling war opponents to please shut up already.

(To see a great example of Clinton's attitude toward the views of war opponents, take a look at this video of her speaking to a group of activists from the group Code Pink on March 6, 2003.)

Clinton's role in the invasion was unique. She'd been in the Senate for less than two years, but was understandably more famous and more visible than any other member. She was also respected as an intelligent, capable politician who'd won her Senate seat largely on her own merits. She was a star. And she became the most high-profile Democrat leading the march to war.

Had she done the opposite--forcefully opposed the invasion, as a few courageous Senators chose to do--the Bush administration would have had a much bigger hurdle to cross in terms of convincing the press and the public that invasion was the most prudent course of action. Would she have taken heat for it? Of course. Would she have put herself out of the running for the presidency? Possibly. But she wasn't president yet. She was a Senator, our Senator, the Senator from New York, for whom both of us pulled the lever in 2000, and she let us down, and consequently war opponents had no real voice in Washington. And now, our worst nightmares about Iraq have come true.


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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:59 PM
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1. How about this, without 80 plus% of the idiots in this country supporting bush after 9/11
The invasion of Iraq may never have happened?
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DU9598 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:05 PM
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7. BINGO - you nailed it still_one
Without Gore's unwillingness to contest the Florida election results in 2000 there would be no war. It's all Gore's fault, you know.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:52 PM
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18. Be Careful, you might get tasered......... /nt
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:07 PM
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21. Are you sure about that number?
Cuz no one ever polled me. I was on the LIHOP camp on 9/11, even before I heard the avalanche of evidence that followed that makes it likely that it was a MIHOP.

What about the millions of protesters?

I think we were sold a bill of goods about the support for the war.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:19 AM
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25. You are right, it wasn't that high, however enough did support it in 2003
http://www.usiraqprocon.org/pop/Resources-Polls.html

As far as the protests you are referring to, most of that occurred in the rest of the world, I don't think the protests here were much over a million.

According to the link I gave it indicates in 2003 around 65% supported the invasion of Iraq

and though MY figure is an exaceration, the ironic thing is, even though the reverse is true today, i.e. 65% plus believe Iraq was a mistake, the position of Congress still is essentially the same, cave in to whatever the administration wants







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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:43 AM
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26. Here's my take, and you can call it tinfoil
Since there is really no way to dispute poll numbers(except more polls), I think the MSM and the WH produced fake numbers to bolster support for the war- make it seem more popular than it really was to sweep up the undecided.

A friend of mine in Chicago told me about a major protest there- just slightly over a million people apparently. I never heard a whisper about that in the MSM, which makes me think there were more, but since they were not reported, and since Little Boots made it clear that he didn't care if the whole nation went on strike, the MSM opted not to fight the WH and tried to score brownie points.

This has always been my fear once I realized the news was not really the news anymore. If a disaster happened where you had no friends, and the news didn't report it, would you ever know?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:38 PM
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28. One thing I definitely agree with, the media is now a branch of the government
Take care
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:46 AM
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27. If you go back and check your figures
You will find that actually 68% of the American public wanted the inspectors to finish their job before any action, including the IWR, was taken.

Hillary helped enable Bush's illegal, immoral war, flogging this country into an international disaster.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:01 PM
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2. loyal bushie she is. but now she wants some adjustments in strategy.
but that US troops will remain, that is basically not debated.
all the major candidates support thousands to remain for many years.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:04 PM
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5. Hey Tom, this is for you
The age of gloating for Democrats over aid to Israel is probably over. It was a sweet ride, but apparently also short. Today, when the National Jewish Democratic Council convenes some reporters in a conference call with Jewish legislators, they had better be prepared to answer questions not just about the Republican decision to oppose aid to Israel, but also about their own Democratic head of subcommittee, who tried to downgrade the aid in an unprecedented way.

2.

And here's the story, published here for the first time. It involves Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who has never been one of Israel's staunchest friends on the Hill. Leahy is often critical of the policies and behavior of the Israel (and sometimes rightly so). He is also the Chairman of the State-Foreign Operations Appropriations Subcommittee. In this position, he tried last week - and intimately failed - to change the language of the "Fiscal Year 2008 State and Foreign Operations Appropriations bill," in ways not favorable to Israel.

3.

Leahy, truth must be told, was not going to hurt Israel financially. It would have gotten the aid one way or the other. However, he did try to downgrade it in many other ways, some very technical, some symbolic. One example: he sought to change the word Shall to Should wherever the bill says that Israel "Shall" get money. This might seem insignificant to people unfamiliar and not attuned to the legislative process, but it is not. Status symbols that have been in the bill for quite a while now are a serious business. And friends of Israel, in the committee and outside of it, reacted in astonishment to this bold trial by Leahy to use his power and introduce such changes at the last minute.

<snip>
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?ite...
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:50 PM
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17. Indeed.
Hillary is trying soooo hard to back peddle from her support from the war now. Sorry...don't buy it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:02 PM
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3. Are you really a John Edwards supporter?
cause if you are, this ain't gonna work for you or your candidate.

First of all, Edwards was a co-sponsor of the Lieberman Bill, NOT Hillary Clinton.

And he started early and often......

http://web.archive.org/web/20020914012714/http://edwards.senate.gov/
Senator Edwards calls for overthrow of Iraqi dictator.


Senator John Edwards, when asked about "Axis of Evil" countries Iran, Iraq, and North Korea:

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
During an interview on CNN's "Late Edition"
February 24, 2002
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/24/le.00.html



October 7, 2002
This week, the U.S. Senate will have an historic debate on the most difficult decision a country ever makes: whether to send American soldiers into harm's way to defend our nation. The President will address these issues in his speech tonight.

My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I am a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution we're currently considering.

Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies -- including our vital ally, Israel.
snip

After 11 years of watching Saddam play shell games with his weapons programs, there is no reason to believe he has any real intention to disarm.

At the end of the day, there must be no question that America and our allies are willing to use force to eliminate the threat of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction once and for all. And I believe if America leads, the world will join us.

Eliminating Iraq's destructive capacity is only part one of our responsibility, however.

We must make a genuine commitment to help build a democratic Iraq after the fall of Saddam. And let's be clear: a genuine commitment means a real commitment of time, resources, and yes, leadership. Democracy will not spring up by itself or overnight in a multi-ethnic, complicated, society that has suffered under one repressive regime after another for generations. The Iraqi people deserve and need our help to rebuild their lives and to create a prosperous, thriving, open society. All Iraqis — including Sunnis, Shia and Kurds — deserve to be represented.

This is not just a moral imperative. It is a security imperative. It is in America's national interest to help build an Iraq at peace with itself and its neighbors, because a democratic, tolerant and accountable Iraq will be a peaceful regional partner. And such an Iraq could serve as a model for the entire Arab world.
snip
We must also remember why disarming Saddam is critical to American security – because halting the spread of weapons of mass destruction, and ensuring they don't fall into the wrong hands, including terrorist hands, is critical to American security. This is a problem much bigger than Iraq.
snip
Even as we lead the world to eliminate the Iraqi weapons threat in particular and global proliferation in general, we must maintain our resolve in the long-term fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda.

I reject the notion that this is an either-or choice. Our national security requires us to do both, and we are up to the challenge. We fought World War II on four continents simultaneously. America worked to rebuild Germany and Japan at the same time, under the Marshall Plan. We waged the Cold War in every corner of the globe, and we won.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/5441/americas_role_in_the_world.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F9641%2Fjohn_edwards%3Fgroupby%3D3%26hide%3D1%26id%3D9641%26filter%3D2002

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/edwards/edw100702sp.html



December 18, 2002
What we do here is, of course, cast in the context of America's responsibilities abroad. I have said this before and I want to say it again: I reject the false choice between fighting the war on terrorism and containing the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, specifically the looming danger of Saddam Hussein.

We must disarm Iraq, peacefully if possible, but by force if necessary. At the same time, we must remember why disarming Saddam is critical to American security – because halting the spread of weapons of mass destruction, and ensuring they don't fall into the wrong hands, including terrorist hands, is critical to American security.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/5440/homeland_security_address.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F9641%2Fjohn_edwards%3Fgroupby%3D3%26hide%3D1%26id%3D9641%26filter%3D2002




But by supporting the Iraq war so intently, Edwards has carved out a position of a far more credibility than the increasingly bitter Gore. And so his speech today should be seen less as a serious attack on Bush than as a statement that he is the true inheritor of Gore’s previous centrism in the Democratic Party. He’s wily, this guy. And flagging the speech to the Washington Post beforehand is worthy of Blair.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100702.shtml


"As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I firmly believe that the issue of Iraq is not about politics. It's about national security. We know that for at least 20 years, Saddam Hussein has obsessively sought weapons of mass destruction through every means available. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today. He has used them in the past, and he is doing everything he can to build more. Each day he inches closer to his longtime goal of nuclear capability -- a capability that could be less than a year away."

(BELOW, EDWARDS INDIRECTLY LINKS 9/11 ATTACKS TO WHY SADDAM MUST BE ATTACKED)

"The path of confronting Saddam is full of hazards. But the path of inaction is far more dangerous. This week, a week where we remember the sacrifice of thousands of innocent Americans made on 9-11, the choice could not be starker. Had we known that such attacks were imminent, we surely would have used every means at our disposal to prevent them and take out the plotters. We cannot wait for such a terrible event -- or, if weapons of mass destruction are used, one far worse -- to address the clear and present danger posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq."
Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
US Senate floor statement: "Iraqi Dictator Must Go"
September 12, 2002
http://web.archive.org/web/20030219152335/edwards.senate.gov/press/2002/0912a-pr.html


"Congress must also make clear that any actions against Iraq are part of a broader strategy to strengthen American security in the Middle East.

Iraq is a grave and growing threat. Hussein has proven his willingness to act irrationally and brutally against his neighbors and against his own people.

Iraq's destructive capacity has the potential to throw the entire Middle East into chaos, and it poses a mortal threat to our vital ally, Israel. Thousands of terrorist operatives around the world would pay anything to get their hands on Saddam Hussein's arsenal and would stop at nothing to use it against us. America must act, and Congress must make clear to Hussein that he faces a united nation."

http://www.usembassy.it/file2002_09/alia/a2091910.htm
John Edwards Op Ed in the WAPO dated 9/17/02

Not content with expressing support for Powell’s speech, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina indicated his retroactive support for the Bush administration, saying that he has “long argued that Saddam Hussein is a grave threat and that he must be disarmed. Iraq’s behavior during the past few months has done nothing to change my mind.” Edwards commented, “Secretary of State Powell made a powerful case. This is a real challenge for the Security Council to act.”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/dems-f08.shtml



http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3131295

Let me ask but the war, because I know these are all students and a lot of guys the age of these students are fighting over there and cleaning up over there, and they're doing the occupation.

Were we right to go to this war alone, basically without the Europeans behind us? Was that something we had to do?

EDWARDS: I think that we were right to go. I think we were right to go to the United Nations. I think we couldn't let those who could veto in the Security Council hold us hostage.

And I think Saddam Hussein, being gone is good. Good for the American people, good for the security of that region of the world, and good for the Iraqi people.


MATTHEWS: If you think the decision, which was made by the president, when basically he saw the French weren't with us and the Germans and the Russians weren't with us, was he right to say, "We're going anyway"?

EDWARDS: I stand behind my support of that, yes.



In an interview on Meet the Press this past November, interviewer Tim Russert asked the North Carolina senator whether he regretted giving Bush "in effect a blank check for the war in Iraq." Edwards replied by saying, "I still believe it was right."
When Russert noted the absence of any Iraqi weapons of mass destruction or any ongoing WMD programs, Edwards insisted that Iraq still posed a threat regardless of whether Saddam Hussein actually "had them at the time the war began or not" because "he had been trying to acquire that capability" previously and therefore posed "an obvious and serious threat to the stability of that region of the world." In short, the Democrats are nominating a vice president who believes the United States has the right to invade any country that at some point in the past had tried to develop biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons capability.
Given that that would total more than 50 countries, the prospects of Edwards as commander-in-chief is rather unsettling.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/zunes.php?articleid=3074



What Did the Democrats Know and When Did they Know It?
The Lies of John Edwards

By JOHN WALSH
The apology of John Edwards, former Senator and 2004 Democratic vice presidential candidate, for voting for the Iraq war in 2002, has been widely praised. But his apology is based on a lie, one that other Democrats are likely to embrace and one which will serve their ambitions but hide the truth. We should have no illusions about this, for to believe otherwise is to set ourselves up for the continuation of Bush's war by a Democrat.
......cont.....
http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh12052005.html

"Edwards had always been a firm supporter of the war. I was at the fateful California Democratic Party convention in early 2003 in which Dean exploded onto the political scene. Forgotten from that convention, Edwards was booed for announcing his support for the war just a couple days before bombs started dropping.

But then Edwards spoke in support of the Iraq war and all hell broke loose. The entire convention hall resonated in boos, the crowd chanting "no war! No war!" It was an amazing sight, and Edwards seemed a bit taken aback. Jerome thought it looked like '68. Edwards recovered with a line about Ashcroft, but the damage was done. The 20 or so brave souls waving Edwards signs were suddenly radioactive.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/10/165059/30



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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:10 PM
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9. ....
There is not a whole lot of options. I either choose Kuch who I believe would be extremely ineffective at best or one of the "top three Dems" who all support the war. I don't care for O or C so its Ed for me.

C Ya.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:23 PM
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11. My point remains.....
you are not doing any favors to Edwards by showcasing 2002.

Cause if Hillary was Bush Iraq follower.....Edwards was the Bush Iraq parade leader.

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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:53 PM
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19. Edwards, Obama, and Clinton can all...
go fly a kit as far as I am concerned. It is just more of the same old BS.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:04 PM
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4. Why expect Hillary to oppose Bill's position in support of invading Iraq?
Who do you think was advising Tony Blair?

If most Democrats were believing Bill Clinton's assessment of Saddam's capabilities based on his years in the oval office and privileged information, then why expect Hillary to act differently?
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spirit of wine Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:04 PM
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6. both are true
and both smell a dynasty of sorts that reek with nepotism and further corruption no matter what side of the aisle one thinks from. Fresh blood is always better to keep everyone honest.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:06 PM
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8. these are the people who said no.
NAYs ---23
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:15 PM
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10. Whoa... this is rich coming from an Edwards supporter!
:rofl:
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:54 PM
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20. Read Post 9.....Other than that I was just highlighting an article from huffpo. nt
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:27 PM
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12. And you support John Edwards?
:rofl:

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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:32 PM
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13. Without the neocons, this war would NEVER HAVE HAPPENED!!!
Deny it. I dare ya'!!!! They wrote the effin' PNAC!!!

Why aren't the effen' vultures who actually created this effin' nightmare EVER HELD FULLY ACCOUNTABLE?

Why? WHY?

It must be because they a damned effin' GOOOOOOD!!! They can escape responsibility and accountability and consequences,...somehow and way. All they have to do is work on their "scattered cats" theory every damn day and SHAZAAAM!!!!!,...all typically 'thinking' and 'thoughtful' people are busy as hell trying to evaluate and overcome every stupid little piece of catnip thrown at them.

God help us.

Seriously.

GOD HELP US!!!!
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:35 PM
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14. HEY FOLKS
shows how desperate Obama supporters are getting. They aren't going to change people's minds even with the outrageous bashing they are doing. What is wrong with those people. What what what. People like that make me ill. They remind you so damn much of the republican type talking points I feel like throwing up.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:45 PM
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30. What do Obama supporters have to do with the OP?
The OP is an Edwards' supporter.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:37 PM
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15. If only John Edwards had voted for Byrd's amendment
the war might have ended after a year:

Use of Force- Termination: Byrd amendment to Lieberman substitute amendment. The Byrd amendment would provide for the termination of Congressional authorization of the use of force by one year after the resolution's enactment unless the president certifies that extension is necessary or Congress enacts into law a one-year extension of the authorization.

"While both were initially supporters of granting President Bush the authority to invade Iraq, John Edwards was actually to the right of Hillary for some time. Edwards voted against liberal efforts to: Limit the war authority for just one year, after which the President would have had to seek it again; Call for tax increases to pay for the war effort; Force the creation of a report on the possible manipulation of intelligence in the lead-up to the Iraq War. On those votes, Hillary voted the more liberal position.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/apr/05/compare_and_contrast_hillarys_and_edwards_votes_on_iraq

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:41 PM
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16. She voted for the war and continues to support the occupation.
As does Edwards.

A pox on both their, and Bush's, houses.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:13 PM
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22. Unfortunately, it's true
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 08:13 PM by Hydra
Hillary helped lend legitimacy to an imperial crusade to take control of the mid-east and International Law be damned.

I think a lot more people would have opposed it had she simply stayed silent.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:25 PM
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23. I liked this quote from the 2002 speech.
It reminds me of what she is running on now and I hear her supporters saying its why they support her.


"And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation."


Yeah her experience proves that she makes bad judgment with her experience. How is our security now Hillary, how is the middle east now Hillary "experience" Clinton?

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."


She must have copied her speech's from Bush and Cheney and the media has picked her as our candidate? We cant let this happen.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:27 PM
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24. Ummm...Hillary didn't sponsor the IWR - your candidate did.
her support was as bad as all the senators who voted for it (including the one in your signature). No more, no less. Your boy is up there with Joementum however

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2934244
bringing this up - the rope, the hangman....
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:42 PM
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29. John Edwards co-sponsored the damn IWR!
He was just as if not more gung-ho for the resolution.

And an Edwards supporter is going to post an editorial blaming Hillary??

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