SENATE VOTES AGAINST RESTORING HABEAS CORPUS

[cali]

It's a done deal. And this was NOT about the lack of dem spine. The only "dem" that I'm aware of who voted with the repukes to filibuster, was LIEberman.

Some repubs voted with the dems: Specter, Hagel, Sununu and Luger did.

Some moderate repubs proved what traitorous creeps they are: Collins, Warner and Snowe, to name three.


We need more Dem Senators. It's that simple.

Thanks to Senator Leahy who's been working his butt off on this for a long time. And thanks to Senator Dodd as well. Grudging thanks to Arlen Specter who co-sponsored, and to Luger et al for voting for the Constitution.

A special raspberry to that toad Lieberman, and to Susan Collins, who will hopefully be retired next year by the good people of the great state of Maine. (Go Allen!)

UPDATE: SNOWE CHANGED HER VOTE TO AYE.

[Richardo]

1. What was the vote total?

[cali]

7. It's not over yet, but

it's clear they don't have the votes.

[iconoclastic cat]

11. cali, for those of us who don't know what's going on, could you explain?

I need a little background here. What's happening, specifically? Tell it to me like I'm an idiot.

[cali]

18. In a nutshell, (and you aren't an idiot)

We needed 60 votes to be able to move to a vote on the actual bill. We only got 55. The pukes successfully filibustered.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

24. Cali, I think you meant to type 60 and instead typed 50

Just pointing it out as it could confuse iconoclastic cat.

[cali]

26. Thank you! You're right. n/t

[Mist]

12. It was 56 Yay, and 43 Nay. nt

[yardwork]

2. This is horrible. I will not forget!

Lieberman needs to be tossed out. I'm disgusted with any Democrat who voted for him.

[Junkdrawer]

22. Who cares? O.J. is being arraigned!!!

:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

3. I read that Snowe changed her voted (so would have voted with Dems)

[Kelly Rupert]

4. Clearly this proves

that we need to kick the moderate Democrats out of office, because they have no spine.

Oh wait. Waitwaitwait. That's a totally-insane position. Yeah.

What this actually proves is that even the most-conservative Democrat is worth a hell of a lot more than the Republican suit they'll replace.

[redqueen]

16. Bin-fucking-go.

It's not the situation we'd like, but it's the situation that exists.

[yardwork]

23. Lieberman voted the wrong way - how is that better?

[cali]

25. Do you really need this spelled out?

LIEberman ran as an Indie. All the dems, even moderates, voted for it.

[Kelly Rupert]

33. As I recall, Lieberman defeated the the Democratic nominee for Senate in 2006.

[Me.]

44. Actually, Lieberman Is A Dem Again

When he moved to Stamford recently he went in to register and quietly registered as a dem. What surprises me most is that he didn't register as a Republicon, though if he did he'd lose his committee and after all, it's all about him isn't it/

[cali]

45. Actually, there's some debate about that

Officially, in the Senate, he's still an Independent.

[Kelly Rupert]

46. As a voter, he's registered as a Democrat.

As a Senator, he's registered as an "Independent Democrat." Only the latter applies here.

[Me.]

49. You Both Are Right

I stand corrected

[murbley40]

51. When does this little.............,, I can't say it here...

go up for re-election? He is just a spy for the republicans. I hope he is not re-elected.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Sick. Shameful. This is where we're at as a nation.

[iconoclastic cat]

6. Was it at least close? nt

[cali]

10. 56. 4 Short of what they needed. n/t

[iconoclastic cat]

13. Was this to end a Repub filibuster, or to pass the bill?

I thought passing the bill was a simple majority. Is that incorrect?

[TwilightGardener]

15. Cloture vote to bring it to a vote.

[Name removed]

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[cali]

20. Totally ignorant and assinine comment.

Way to go! You don't deserve people like Leahy and Dodd and many others fighting for YOUR rights.

[Moochy]

32. Merit based habeas corpus !

Nice one... or something.

[hang a left]

40. I don't deserve??????

Have you relegated me to New Orleans or something. Can I appeal???

Do you get it???

That is how it works. They know they aren't going to achieve cloture. The ones that can take the hit do, the ones that can't are allowed to vote for cloture. Doesn't really matter, the result is the same.

Grow up.

[cali]

48. You called them ALL "pussies"

It is not just a game to those who have been working on this for ages now. Yeah, the repukes may have been playing games, but the dems weren't. And much as I HATE to admit it, I don't think Specter or Hagel were either.

[hang a left]

55. Spare me the drama.

I have been around for a while.

[cali]

56. and clearly learned little. n/t

[hang a left]

57. What was it that I didn't take away from your lesson

my teacher?

[greatauntoftriplets]

19. To end the Republican filibuster...

and bring it to the floor for a vote.

[Bandit]

14. Apparently fifty five votes for restoration, need sixty for cloture

:shrug: Funny how Republicans are able to stop everything the Democrats want to do while being in the minority but Democrats were unable to stop Republicans on anything when it was reversed. I don't get it..

[bbgrunt]

30. yes, and it's funny how we heard incessantly about

the "nuclear option" while the pukes were in charge--preventing the dems from getting their powder wet when all the nominations and supreme court justices were approved.

[tridim]

8. Why do the Republics hate America?

It's not a matter of "If" they hate America, they just do.

[mod mom]

9. DISGRACEFUL!!!!!

[onehandle]

21. Yep. We need more Senators.

We need a nominee with coattails.

[suffragette]

27. Yeas and Nays

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00340#name


Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---56
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)


NAYs ---43
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Not Voting - 1
Chambliss (R-GA)

[Beetwasher]

28. I HATE That Headline!!!!!

The headline is bullshit. It should be Republicans BLOCK Restoring Habeus Corpus. A sizeable majority of the senate actually voted FOR it, but Repubs blocked.

[redqueen]

37. Same here... makes it look like it *wasn't* just one party.

:puke:

[cali]

50. You're right. It's a bad headline.

but I think it's too late to change it. However, I did make clear what happened in the OP.

[MiniMe]

29. The ONLY rteason that Snowe changed her vote to AYE is because

They knew how many votes they needed, and basically, her vote didn't matter. I expect a lot of that in the next year so they can try to protect some of the senators who are in close races. "see, she voted the way a dem would have". I'm really tired of these games. And shame on every one of the Senators who voted Nay.

[cali]

36. Spot on. But I wonder

why Collins didn't. She's the one up for re-election next year.

[Bonobo]

31. So why don't we make the Pukes ACTUALLY Filibuster?

We could keep bringing it to the floor and bring nothing else.

We FORCE them to actually fillibuster instead of resting when they THREATEN it.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE WIMPS!

MAKE THEM FILIBUSTER!

[Kelly Rupert]

34. Nobody actually does that any more.

It's just an enormous waste of everyone's time. There are plenty of bills left to discuss and vote on.

[Bonobo]

35. Are you serious? That is why they still kick our ass even though we have the

majority.

Make these ancient fucks talk for 12 hours and we will see how determined they really are!

[Kelly Rupert]

38. All that would do

is just waste twelve hours of time that might otherwise have been used debating a bill that has a chance of being passed. You think the Republicans are afraid that they might have to talk for a few hours?

This isn't Mr. Smith Goes To Washington here. There are 49 of them.

[Bonobo]

41. Hmmm, but it would at least bring the issue to public attention.

Oh, and also show who the true obstructionists are!

[Kelly Rupert]

42. In that case, I would think the Dems would share some blame.

Since the Republicans had already made clear that they wished to filibuster, the Dems, by allowing it, would share equal blame in the waste of however long they spent reading from phonebooks on the floor.

[Moochy]

39. Yeah quaint old shit like filibusters

habeas corpus, freedom of speech, right to privacy.

Such a waste of time these archaic constructs that dead people came up with. Better to think of the future!

[snappyturtle]

47. Imho, nothing is more improtant than Habeas Corpus. To me it is

what separates us from those governed by dictators and other unsavory governmental forms. It's a way to keep the lower class, poorer class,what's left of the middle class, enslaved. It's downright scary.

on edit: K&R!

[sampsonblk]

54. Yep. That's how we get to 11%

[valerief]

43. LIEBERMAN IS NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!!!!! HE'S AN INDEPENDENT FOR LIEBERMAN!!!!! NT

[Bill McBlueState]

52. probably why the OP put "dem" in quotes. n/t

[AlCzervik]

53. Watching now, McCain talking and they're running the names of the republicans who voyed "Aye"

Lieberman--i don't expect any better from him.

[Vinca]

58. Well, it'll be interesting to see how the courts weigh in on this.

I don't see how it will hold up.