Does anyone else think Hillary is going to move to the right when she gets the nomination?

[The Vinyl Ripper]

I'm absolutely convinced that Hillary will move sharply to the right after securing the Dem nomination.

Will that turn any of you off her candidacy?

[William769]

1. So is this the new meme we are going to talk about?

[The Vinyl Ripper]

3. Only if you want to.. n/t

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

31. The RW is "MEME". I think this an excellent, perceptive question.

I am absolutely POSITIVE she will not take this country any further RIGHT TOWARDS THE ELITIST CORPORACRATS ADJOINED TO EXTREME RELIGIOSITIES.

She would be the greatest leader since JFK and would have to work damn hard to survive her presidency.

[Cleita]

2. I'm already turned off her candidacy.

She's too cozy with the corporations for my liking and I have no doubt she will veer even further to the right to get those votes, so she can win for sure.

[Larkspur]

30. Me too!

[DURHAM D]

4. No - she will go the opposite direction.

How far to the left will depend on how many senate and house seats we pick up.

[durrrty libby]

5. Absolutely No. Why pull shit out of your ass?

:eyes:

[The Vinyl Ripper]

7. So you don't think she is going to chase..

All those "moderate fence sitters"?

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

6. what makes you think she is going to get the nomination?

Please explain.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

8. I'm being told that by numerous people here on DU..

They are sure Hillary is going to get the nomination and that she will fire up the Dem base to vote.

I'm just asking the natural next question.

Will Hillary move to the right after she gets the nomination?

[ThomWV]

14. Actually if you ask the people here (I have) they will overwhelmingly Say No To Hillary

I've put up polls here asking the question who will or should be or should not be the nominee several times. In each case the resuls indicated that the pople here do not support Hillary, by a wide margin. Generally if you ask in the positive, "Do you want her?" only about 20% say yes, if you ask in the negative "who do you not want?" about 75% say they don't want her to be the nominee.

Try it for yourself, you'll see.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

17. don't believe everything you are told here on DU

We made it through September 14th without World War III breaking out.

Hillary's nomination being inevitable is what the MSM want us to believe. I don't buy it but if she pulls it off you can bet your sweet ass she is going to swing hard to the right to out flank Rudy or Fred.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

32. I suspect it is inevitable...

Not completely convinced but a damn good case can be made for inevitability.

My question was just based on the premise put forth by those who seem to love Hillary.

[northzax]

9. only if she wants to win

given that the country as a whole is farther right than the democrats, whoever the Dem candidate is will move right after getting the nomination, just as the GOP white guy will move left.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

13. I've had some interesting experiences lately..

I had someone take the Political Compass test not too long ago, they were quite sure they were conservative Christian and were somewhat shocked to find out that they fell into the libertarian leftist quadrant of the PC. Not as far libertarian and leftist as I am but well into the quadrant nonetheless.

Many people aren't really as conservative as they think they are when you query them on actual issues.

[northzax]

41. Your sample is small...

Most Americans identify themselves as being moderate conservatives, whether they actually are is not relevant, it's what they think they are...

[Hangingon]

25. I agree.

The wanna be nominees always run to the edge and then the nominee has to pull back for the election.

[peace13]

10. She can try to go as far right as she wants to

but the reports I hear from my Rethuglican friends tell me that her voice is just too painful to listen to. As far as I can tell if she wants to attract those people she will have to keep her mouth shut, fund only upper-middle class projects and continue to kill brown people in the wings off stage right. Sorry to be so blunt but I have had my fill of Democrats that look to me like died in the wool PNAC'ers. Where will it stop. Peace, Kim

[The Vinyl Ripper]

26. LOL...

The Repubs I know wouldn't vote for Hillary to save their lives..

[jeff30997]

11. Yep.

She's already more to the right now then 10 years ago.

It's not just her.Just look what's happening over here in Canada and in France with Sarkozy(Which I

prefer to call Sarcoma).Scary.

[soothsayer]

12. we are in for 4 more years of facism (ending a 12 yr cycle) according to

economic/political studies, so I guess the answer is yeah

[DemBones DemBones]

15. She's already too far to the right, doesn't see

that most people are to her left and she won't get the votes of those on the right, except in the primary, when Repukes change their registration to Democratic just to vote for her in the primary, then crawl back into the right-wing Repub corner.

The GOP wants to run against Hillary

[Toucano]

16. Could she? I think she's already there. n/t

[kimmerspixelated]

21. I don't trust her to be any more leftish,

that's for sure, but her coziness with the corporations makes me ill to think about how nothing will really change if she gets elected. I think she is self-serving enough to go whichever way the wind blows. In this way, she is too much of an "experienced" politician.

[rainy]

18. The question is moot. Al Gore will get the nomination

[smalll]

19. I don't think so. She's hardly running to the left right now - (and gets heat for it here) -

and in the primaries, the Democrats are "supposed" to run to the left a little. I suspect it's all part of her truly expert winning campaign. Sure she triangulates, but I think she's planned far enough ahead and is ALREADY running for the general election not the primaries, and that she has positioned herself exactly where she wants to be already, and will not move -- thus depriving her hapless Repub opponent of any traction with flip-flop accusations.

[Individualist]

20. Going to? She already has.

No DLCer will get my vote.

[RavensChick]

22. Dear Lord, I hope she doesn't

That would turn me off like a light switch! We got enough problems with the hardcore right wingers out there already. Hil, PLEASE don't go that way!!!! Please, please, please, please!!!!!:dem:

[Marr]

23. You bet she will. Like any other candidate, she'll pander to the base a bit

during the primaries. If she manages to win, she'll take a right turn in an attempt to attract moderate Republicans.

Of course, since Clinton's already starting at the right edge of the field, I have to expect she'll be marginalizing just about everyone to the left of John Edwards, in a futile attempt to attract people on the right, who would rather have venereal disease than vote for her.

She'll triangulate herself right out of the White House, as her husband would've done without Perot's help.

[Lex]

24. *IF* she gets the nomination.

Seriously, :wtf:



.

[Disturbed]

28. If she goes much further toward the RWing she might as well run

as a Repug.

[smalll]

29. Picky, picky. Watch that impulse -

before you know it, you'll be taking exceptions to people's grammar, or making niggling points about their spelling. Or telling us that, from a deep philosophical standpoint, there's no reason to assume the sun will come up again tomorrow.

[Lex]

36. wtf?

There's a great big difference between WHEN and IF and it's not a small difference either.

This is not a slippery-slope situation.

[Danieljay]

27. The woman is already untrustworthy, could it get worse? n/t

[depakid]

33. How much farther to the right can she go?

I'm sure she's asking herself that question all of the time- and if in some bizarre scenario she manages to get elected- she'll be asking that until 2011.

[warren pease]

34. Any farther right than she is now...

...and she'll have to shorten her left leg to equalize the tilt and get back to walking upright.

There are more than 300 million people in this country and I'm supposed to believe that Hillary Clinton is the best we can find in that gigantic talent pool? It would take a thousand Hillarys to match the intellect, integrity and concern for actual, normal people of Dennis Kucinich.

But he's been tried and found guilty by mass media of being "unelectable," so we won't have to concern ourselves with the idea that an actual Democrat might win the Democratic party's nomination. Far better to go with some moderate-right, corporate-funded, bribocracy suck-up than an honest, sentient human being.

As he said recently when asked to comment on various democratic proposals for Iraq exit timelines, "Yeah, I've got a timeline. It's called NOW." Well, that's just an insult to thinking people everywhere. How dare he advocate that the US escape without further loss of life -- either American or Iraqi?

Everybody knows these things take time. Just about the time it takes for democrats play footsie with BushCo until January 2009 when congenital democratic idiocy will result in them inheriting the blame for the occupation.

Ah god, another rant. I'm getting so cynical that it's amazing I can continue to function in "normal" society.


wp

[xchrom]

35. well considering that her health care plan reduces me to a consumer -- and not a citizen --

i think she made bee line already, don't you?

[bigtree]

37. on what issue?

some issues yes, most issues no.

[book_worm]

38. It wouldn't be new if she did. The old saying is in the primaries

a democrat runs to the left to attract the base and in the general they move to the center. On the GOP side it's moving from the right to the center.

[illinoisprogressive]

39. she'd move right but, I seriously feel shes peaked

we may not see it in the polls right away but, there is just this feeling she's peaked. she was running a sprint and not a marathon.

[Canuckistanian]

40. 90 degrees. Hard right.

It'll make our heads spin.

Please don't vote her in before you look at her WHOLE record.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

42. Surely she will.

It will only be a return to her "roots".
After all she did start out as a republican...

[Colorado Progressive]

43. I hope she's already too right to get the dem nom. She sounds like a Repug!

Way too into Nafta, and her health care plan panders to corporate america too. Everything about her is pro-corporation. Boooooo hisssss.........

[burrowowl]

44. She is already to the Right of Center Right

far Right yes, Extreme Right she will stop short o.
To paraphrase Gore Vidal (cousin of Gore): America has 2 right wings!
To paraphrase Gertude Stein: There is no left there,

[siri2k]

45. *Yes.*

n/t