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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:47 AM
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Blackwater banned from operating in Iraq
US security contractor Blackwater has been banned from operating in Iraq, after eight civilians were killed in Baghdad yesterday.

Blackwater offers personal security to US officials working in Iraq, and is one of the better known firms involved in what critics call the privatisation of the war in Iraq.

Yesterday, a US diplomatic convoy came under fire in the Iraqi capital's western al-Yarmukh neighbourhood.

Blackwater members accompanying the convoy returned fire, leaving nine people dead, one of whom was an Iraqi police officer.

All of the other fatalities were civilian bystanders.

And today Iraqi Interior Minister Jawad al-Bolani issued an order to cancel Blackwater's licence and prohibit the company from operating anywhere in Iraq.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0917/iraq.html
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:48 AM
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1. Huzzah!!! nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:51 AM
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2. This may be problematic. We've gotten so dependent on this
"ghost army", where are they going to get security from now? Do we have enough troops to take over what they were doing?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:51 AM
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3. Hmm--what if Congress were to defund all the contractors as well?
:think:
rocknation
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:55 AM
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6. And what, lose the insurgency?
Sometimes I wonder just what they really are doing over there. The name, Blackwater, gives me the shudders. I know it is wrong to think this way, but I no longer trust those who make decisions. Surprise?
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:18 AM
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11. Blackwater = Dark Ocean Society
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:25 AM
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23. "Black Water" is also the stuff
that get flushed down your toilet.
I find this definition more appropriate.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:13 AM
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10. :think: how soon the prospects are for Blackwater mercenaries gunning down US citizens
on the streets in the "homeland." Not saying it will happen but wouldn't be surprising in the least.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:33 AM
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24. Well, they were a presence in New Orleans post Katrina
were they not?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:21 PM
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28. Yes. Will they come back to the USA?
9/18/05

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:52 AM
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4. War is over? n/t
:sarcasm:

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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:52 AM
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5. Banned by what?
Iraq's functional central government? Blackwater isn't going anywhere.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:56 AM
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8. That's what I was thinking........
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:05 AM
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9. Exactly!! Who banned them and who is gonna
enforce this? They are prob more powerful than our army. And much worse, there are NO consequences to their actions. Monkeyboy took care of that in the very beginning. They cant be prosecuted for anything.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:55 AM
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7. I can't wait for the Iraqis to start hanging them. Those videos will be GREAT!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:23 AM
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13. Please tell me you are kidding.
I don't want people hanged, even blackwater bastards, and I don't want more Americans riled up about it. Yeah, I want justice, but I'm not sure a public hanging does that.

I do want SOMEONE in the administratio to respect Iraqi wishes and and pull BW out.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:43 AM
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20. Of course I am
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Netbeavis Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:25 AM
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15. they are still Americans
regardless of what they do for a living, they are still Americans and wishing to see them brutally killed is deplorable.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:44 AM
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21. hang 'em high! (kidding, kidding!) I think it's horrid that they hang anyone over there.
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Netbeavis Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:14 PM
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26. thanks for clearing that up.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:59 PM
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29. with all due respect, what does their nationality have to do with anything?
being american doesn't make you any less of a cruel, heartless, piece of shit than any other murderous bastard. not that all mercenaries... errr, private security contractors are murderous bastards.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:42 PM
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31. No, but it will whip up anti-Iraq sentiment among Americans, just as the killing
whipped up anti-American sentiment among Iraqis.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:39 PM
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30. Sorry. Please, some of us are sarcasm impaired,
especially on Monday mornings. A wink or a :sarcasm: is helpful.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:18 AM
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12. George will put his foot down and they will stay
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:24 AM
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14. The last 2 sentences tell us that his has been going on for a long time - Rummy's Private Army!
"A number of similar incidents involving foreign private security contractors have occurred in Baghdad. The contractors are often accused of firing randomly and speeding through the crowded streets of Baghdad to avoid insurgent attack."

While billions of dollars are taken away from our "real" military we are feeding the Right Wing so called Christian Right War Profiteers like the owner of Blackwater:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5477

Christian Right Fascism in Real Time in "Bush's Shadow Army" - Blackwater USA

Journalist and author Jeremy Scahill characterizes Blackwater USA as "the world's most powerful mercenary army" in his new book about them. Like Hedges' book, it's frightening reading needing exposure. It describes a "shadowy mercenary company....largely off the congressional radar....having remarkable power and protection within the US war apparatus" with no accountability or oversight on the ground in Iraq, (working for the State Department, not the Pentagon, with a $300 million no-bid contract), Afghanistan, on US streets and in neighborhoods like New Orleans, and coming soon to a city and neighborhood near you courtesy of the Gestapo-like Department of Homeland Security. With backing from the Bush administration, it operates outside the law and Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) and is immune from civil lawsuits like the military. Scahill calls Blackwater the "Bush Administration's Praetorian Guard (along with the CIA long-serving in that capacity and that uses Blackwater in its illegal covert operations abroad and at home)."

Blackwater was founded in 1996 by former Navy SEAL and now super-rich Erik Prince who's closely tied to the Christian Right he funds and supports. It came into its own post 9/11 becoming a dominant player in the Bush administration's "Global War on Terror" (GLOB) now rebranded "The Long War." Today, Blackwater employs 2300 personnel in nine countries with 20,000 or more private mercenary contractors ready to go wherever needed and are part of the 100,000 contractors in Iraq, 48,000 of whom are paramilitary mercenaries. It also has a fleet of 20 aircraft (believed to have been used covertly as part of the Bush administration's "extraordinary renditions" of targeted individuals), including helicopter gunships, a private intelligence division, and operates at home on its 7000 acre Moyock headquarters Scahill calls "the world's largest private military base."
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:25 AM
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16. good luck with that is all I can say
w is the decider in anything Iraqi
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:39 AM
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17. Two more current thread on this development, as reported elsewhere - LINKS:
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 09:52 AM by Nothing Without Hope
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:40 AM
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18. Blackwater scares the crap out of me.
I'm sure they would have no problem behaving the same in our country. I'm certain they would gleefully hunt down all the godless liberals in this country, given the go ahead.

I don't recognize my country anymore. :cry:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:42 AM
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19. One of many...

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/contractindex.htm
There are now 630 companies working in Iraq on contract for the US government, with personnel from more than 100 countries offering services ranging from cooking and driving to the protection of high-ranking army officers. Their 180,000 employees now outnumber America's 160,000 official troops. The precise number of mercenaries is unclear, but last year, a US government report identified 48,000 employees of private military/security firms.

Blackwater is far from being the biggest mercenary firm operating in Iraq, nor is it the most profitable. But it has the closest proximity to the throne in Washington and to radical rightwing causes, leading some critics to label it a "Republican guard".
Blackwater offers the services of some of the most elite forces in the world and is tasked with some of the occupation's most "mission-critical" activities, namely keeping alive the most hated men in Baghdad - a fact it has deftly used as a marketing tool. Since the Iraq invasion began four years ago, Blackwater has emerged out of its compound near the Great Dismal Swamp of North Carolina as the trendsetter of the mercenary industry, leading the way toward a legitimisation of one of the world's dirtiest professions. And it owes its meteoric rise to the policies of the Bush administration.
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While precise data on the extent of American spending on mercenary services is nearly impossible to obtain, Congressional sources say that the US has spent at least $6bn (£3bn) in Iraq, while Britain has spent some £200m. Like America, Britain has used private security from firms like ArmorGroup to guard Foreign Office and International Development officials in Iraq. Other British firms are used to protect private companies and media, but UK firms do their biggest business with Washington. The single largest US contract for private security in Iraq has for years been held by the British firm Aegis, headed by Tim Spicer, the retired British lieutenant-colonel who was implicated in the Arms to Africa scandal of the late 1990s, when weapons were shipped to a Sierra Leone militia leader during a weapons embargo. Aegis's Iraq contract - essentially coordinating the private military firms in Iraq - was valued at approximately $300m (£1147m) and drew protests from US competitors and lawmakers.

At present, a US or British special forces veteran working for a private security company in Iraq can make $650 (£320) a day, after the company takes its cut. At times the rate has reached $1,000 (£490) a day - pay that dwarfs that of active-duty troops. "We got contractors over there, some of them making more than the secretary of defense," John Murtha, chairman of the House defense appropriations subcommittee, recently said. "How in the hell do you justify that?"

In part, these contractors do mundane jobs that traditionally have been performed by soldiers, from driving trucks to doing laundry. These services are provided through companies such as Halliburton, KBR and Fluor and through their vast labyrinth of subcontractors. But increasingly, private personnel are engaged in armed combat and "security" operations. They interrogate prisoners, gather intelligence, operate rendition flights, protect senior occupation officials - including some commanding US generals - and in some cases have taken command of US and international troops in battle. In an admission that speaks volumes about the extent of the privatisation, General David Petraeus, who is implementing Bush's troop surge, said earlier this year that he has, at times, not been guarded in Iraq by the US military but "secured by contract security". At least three US commanding generals are currently being guarded in Iraq by hired guns.
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In the case of Iraq, what is particularly frightening is that the US and UK governments could give the public the false impression that the occupation was being scaled down, while in reality it was simply being privatised. Indeed, shortly after Tony Blair announced that he wanted to withdraw 1,600 soldiers from Basra, reports emerged that the British government was considering sending in private security companies to "fill the gap left behind".

Outsourcing is increasingly extending to extremely sensitive sectors, including intelligence. The investigative blogger RJ Hillhouse, whose site TheSpyWhoBilledMe.com regularly breaks news on the clandestine world of private contractors and US intelligence, recently established that Washington spends $42bn (£21bn) annually on private intelligence contractors, up from $18bn in 2000. Currently, that spending represents 70% of the US intelligence budget.

But the mercenary forces are also diversifying geographically: in Latin America, the massive US firm DynCorp is operating in Colombia, Bolivia and other countries as part of the "war on drugs" - US defence contractors are receiving nearly half the $630m in US military aid for Colombia; in Africa, mercenaries are deploying in Somalia, Congo and Sudan and increasingly have their sights set on tapping into the hefty UN peacekeeping budget; inside the US, private security staff now outnumber official law enforcement. Heavily armed mercenaries were deployed in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, while there are proposals to privatise the US border patrol. Brooks, the private military industry lobbyist, says people should not become "overly obsessed with Iraq", saying his association's member companies "have more personnel working in UN and African Union peace operations than all but a handful of countries".


Silent Surge in Contractor 'Armies'
By Brad Knickerbocker
Christian Science Monitor
July 18, 2007
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/contract/2007/0718silentsurge.htm
In Iraq, up to 180,000 contractors

Estimates of the number of private security personnel and other civilian contractors in Iraq today range from 126,000 to 180,000 – nearly as many, if not more than, the number of Americans in uniform there. Most are not Americans. They come from Fiji, Brazil, Scotland, Croatia, Hungary, New Zealand, Pakistan, South Africa, Australia, and other countries. "A very large part of the total force is not in uniform," Scott Horton, who teaches the law of armed conflict at Columbia University School of Law, said in congressional testimony last month. In World War II and the Korean War, contractors amounted to 3 to 5 percent of the total force deployed. Through the Vietnam War and the first Gulf War, the percentage grew to roughly 10 percent, he notes. "But in the current conflict, the number appears to be climbing steadily closer to parity" with military personnel. "This represents an extremely radical transformation in the force configuration," he says.

Until recently, there has been little oversight of civilian contractors operating in Iraq. The Defense Department is not adequately keeping track of contractors – where they are or even how many there are, the Government Accountability Office concluded in a report last December. This is especially true as military units rotate in and out of the war zone (as do contractors) and institutional memory is lost. This lack of accountability has begun to change with a Democrat-controlled Congress. As part of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act passed last year, Congress now requires that civilian contractors who break the law – hurt or kill civilians, for example – come under the legal authority of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So far, however, the Pentagon has not issued guidance to field commanders on how to do this. Proposed bills in the House and Senate would require "transparency and accountability in military and security contracting." For example, companies would be required to provide information on the hiring and training of civilian workers, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff would have to issue rules of engagement regarding the circumstances under which contractors could use force.

Senior commanders acknowledge the value of contractors, especially those that are armed and ready to fight if attacked. At his Senate confirmation hearing in January, Army Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the multinational force in Iraq, said that the "surge" by US forces in Iraq might not include enough American troops. "However, there are tens of thousands of contract security forces and ministerial security forces that do, in fact, guard facilities and secure institutions," he added. "That does give me the reason to believe that we can accomplish the mission in Baghdad."




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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:47 AM
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22. Perhaps this is what Bushit meant...
...when he said some "troops" could come home.

I mentioned this on the other thread as well.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:38 AM
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25. This law will carry the full force of the Iraqi government!!
In other words, bupkiss.

Any decree passed by the puppet government must be approved by the US first.

I don't expect this law to be enforced. They will just rename part of Blackwater or some other deceit.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:17 PM
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27. reality check! They have no "contract" with Iraq. try the US State Dept.
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 12:18 PM by leftchick
they are not going anywhere.

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/2418/81/

First problem. Blackwater does not have a license to operate in Iraq and does not need one. They have a U.S. State Department contract through Diplomatic Security. Instead of using Diplomatic Security officers or hiring new Security officers or relying on U.S. military personnel, the Bush Administration has contracted with firms like Blackwater, Triple Canopy, and others for people capable of conducting personnel security details. State Department is not about to curtail the contract with Blackwater, who is tightly wired into Washington. Plus, State Department simply does not have the bodies available to carry out the security mission.Second problem. The Iraqi government has zero power to enforce a decision to oust a firm like Blackwater. For starters, Blackwater has a bigger air force and more armored vehicles then the Iraqi Army and police put together. As Spencer Ackerman reported, Blackwater’s little bird helicopter (an aircraft normally used by U.S. special operations forces) that was firing mini guns at Iraqi targets on the ground this past weekend. I can only imagine how Americans would react if there were Russian, Chinese, Mexican, or French security firms running around the United States and getting into firefights in tough neighborhoods, such as South Central Los Angeles. We would just shrug our shoulders and say nothing. Right?

Yeah, that’s what I thought. This incident will enrage Iraqis and their subsequent realization that they are impotent to do anything about it will do little to support the fantasy that the surge is working. There are some Iraqis who genuinely want to run their own country. But we are not about to give them the keys to the car. Blackwater is staying.


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:51 PM
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32. Maliki will back down & an arrangemt will be in play.
There is no way that the Mercs will be kicked out of Iraq.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:59 PM
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33. !
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