Europe will take Iran before they let the US get away with it

[spindoctor]

Today the French Secretary of State warned (the world) that if Iran does not comply with he rules of the IAF, they will have no choice but to use military force.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6997935.stm

What I read between the lines (and someone please tell me I'm wrong) is that Europe is taking Cheney's plans for an Iran invasion very serious and they can not allow the US to either obtain a virtual oil monopoly or take out the Iran supplies like we did with Iraq and create complete chaos on the oil market. They will rather take Iran themselves (and suffer the consequences) than let the US fuck up another one.

And then what? Some healthy competition? A race on Islamabad? A joint strike force? Or....world war III for real this time?
Will the crazy SOB's in the WH let France beat them to the punch? Are Russia and China just gonna sit by and wait for the outcome?

This is not good.

[luckyleftyme2]

1. It is begining to look like

Its begining to look like that iraq is really the blunder of the century. england is in money trouble,we're ass over heels in debt and the rest of the world is disgusted with us and the middle east.
sure is a receipe for disaster!

[Mr Rabble]

2. France is a nuclear power as well.

This is really serious stuff.

Good thing peak oil is just a myth...:sarcasm:

[Gman]

3. France recently elected a right winger as prez

or whatever. I'm not surprised at this.

[Tigermoose]

4. The 21st Century Oil Crusades

nt

[MuseRider]

5. Here we go.

This is not good at all.

[Lars39]

6. Europe started organizing itself several years ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1626583

on edit: :donut:

[Gonzo Gardener]

7. Are the crazies playing an ultimate game of 'Risk'?

Nah, it's straight up Texas Hold 'em and they're bluffing.

Can't you picture it? Bush, squints hard, eyes darting nervously around the table trying to get a fix on the rest of the players. Cheney is standing behind Bush's chair whispering, "Don't fold now Georgie, wait for the 'river'." in his ear. G Dub has his new, Old European poodle, Sarkozy, sitting squarely on his lap and, btw, his bark is worse than his bite (the little neo-nazi mutt). The rest of old Europe decides to sit this hand out and heads for the kitchen to nibble on hors d'oeuvres and drink some wine. Russia and China are playing as a team and Iran is sitting in between them restacking it's chips. Israel is serving up the drinks. Condi is quietly walking around the room trying to get a look at everybody's cards. She and Cheney have a 'signal system' all worked out. Syria is out of chips and trying to borrow a few from North Korea...

euphemisms for the game of life...

Hold 'em is normally played using small and big blind bets – forced bets by players working as a team. Antes (forced contributions by all players) may be used in addition to blinds, particularly in later stages of tournament play.

Risk is a 2 or more player game. Players control armies, with which they attempt to capture territories from other players. The goal of the game is to control all the territories to "conquer the world" through the intimidation of the other players.

[spindoctor]

8. I don't think I got my point across clearly

This has nothing to do with the political preferences of Sarkozy, and I doubt that France would make such an assessment without consulting Germany and the UK first (is it coincidence that the UK is moving out of Iraq?). This is the voice of Europe, and it's saying: "Look, we let you have your way but you are NOT cornering the oil market."

Nobody is questioning the motives for the Iraq war anymore. Hunt Oil is already settling in Kurdistan, despite Baghdad policy (Kurds don't care) that strictly prohibits any foreign contracts at this time.

Now the top 5 oil reserves (not counting Canada) are:
1. Saudi Arabia
2. Iran
3. Iraq
4. Kuwait
5. UAE

Venezuela and Russia are next with distance, then there is a longgg gap before Nigeria and the US.

Saudi Arabia is this weird rogue nation with ties to the US government and international terrorism alike. It has allegedly rigged all their oil fields with dirty bombs. On the first sign of an attack they will render their supplies useless. Truth or fiction, I don't know. But nobody wants to mess with the Saudis, that much is clear.

Kuwait is forever in our debt thanks to the first Gulf War (does anyone remember that that one was fought under false pretenses too?), and UAE is a long-time allie in the Middle-East.

So with Iraq and Iran both under US occupation and control, the rest of the world has a serious problem. Unless of course they should trust the US to handle their position of power with compassion and equal opportunity (would you?).

Now if a coalition of European armies takes Iran before the US can, then at least they are still in the game. When you think about it, it is a logical and inevitable response to PNAC's plan for world domination.

[Gonzo Gardener]

9. Relax, this won't hurt a bit...

Your right, Sarkozy isn't the Decider. He is just Bushies new yappy pup. As for the rest of Europe, the corporate string pullers are letting them sit this one out. The corporate goons love to vacation in Old Europe. The place holds some nostalgic importance for them. You know, the 'Vatterland' and all...

Bush owes some favors and the Hunt Oil Corp deal is evidence of that. G Dub likes to play soldier but his time in the big 'sand box' is almost up. Think about this for a minute, how do they plan to get the oil out of 'Kurdish Controlled Territory'? (The borders of what once was Kurdistan extend into large areas of both Turkey and Iran.) I've discussed this in other threads... I think they would like to take it out via the Iraq-Syria Pipeline. Maybe, turn on the tap to the Iraq-Turkey Pipeline periodically to smooth ruffled feathers there. The NW-SE zig zagging Iraq Strategic pipeline is under constant attack and there is no way in hell that the oil would make it down to Umm Qasr for export.

IMO, Syria may see some action but Iran, no. Russia and China are watching Ahmadinejad's back. When was the last time this administration pushed around someone who could produce a knockout blow? They go for the weak unprotected underdogs like all good bullies.

Saudi Arabia is sort of like a Michael Vic... they like fixing pitt bull fights, the sick fucks.

And, finally, the PNACers are a good sampling of Amerikas finest crazies mixing it up with a few loons. They are just pawns in this big global game.

Let go of the FEAR.
Hold on to the OUTRAGE.

Peace

[spindoctor]

10. Fear is an emotion indispensable for survival

Never bet on a Frenchman to do the biddings of an American unless it means sticking it to the British. Sarkozy will never be Bush's lap dog.

This is not about France trying to restore the good name of freedom fries, nor is it about France being overly concerned about Iran building a nuke that might reach halfway up to Israel.

The French aren't speaking to Iran, they are speaking to the US.

That PNACers are a crazy bunch is the truth, but sadly so is the fact that they are well represented in this Administration. I always thought that an actual invasion of Iran was a little far fetched (because it seems stupid under the circumstances), but if the French take it seriously then you can bet your bottom that they know something we don't.

As the news unfolds, there are some leaders of less influential European states calling for moderation and leaving it up to the Security Council. Unless we hear from the UK and Germany though, I believe we are building up to an actual crisis.

[Jeroen]

11. You are right about Sarkozy

He is no poodle and he never will be.

This may sound Nazi like, but Europe will proberbly need (or call for) a leader in the next few years.
Peak Oil, the war in Iraq, turmoil on the financial markets, the climate crisis and so on will cause global instability.

Europe cannot be effective in protecting its interests if it maintains a consensus modus of operandi (now 25 members)
In recent years it turned out to be more difficult reaching an agreement on almost every issue.
Sarkozy is positioning himself as Europe's leader and some European leaders, like Merkel for example, are getting nervous about it.
And so should we.
Funny, it may well be that the Mayans (2012) where right after all.

(Excuse me for my English)

[Toucano]

12. The U.S. is physically unable to do it, I think.

A coalition with France, Russia and China is able.

Oil companies don't have nationalities. Profits know no borders.

Conquer, privatize, and start cashing checks.