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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:41 AM
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Iran-Contra - Where are they now?
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 11:43 AM by ck4829
This is horrible, why aren't these people in JAIL?

* Richard Cheney - now the vice president, he played a prominent part as a member of the joint congressional Iran-Contra inquiry of 1986, taking the position that Congress deserved major blame for asserting itself unjustifiably onto presidential turf. He later pointed to the committees' Minority Report as an important statement on the proper roles of the Executive and Legislative branches of government.

* David Addington - now Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, and by numerous press accounts a stanch advocate of expanded presidential power, Addington was a congressional staffer during the joint select committee hearings in 1986 who worked closely with Cheney.

* Elliott Abrams - as Assistant Secretary of State, during the hearings testified in Congress that the administration had arranged for no foreign donations--"not a dime"--to the contras--even though he had arranged for a $10 million contribution to the rebels from the Sultan of Brunei. Twenty years later, Abrams is deputy national security adviser for global democracy in the George W. Bush administration.

* John Bolton - the controversial U.N. ambassador whose recess appointment by President Bush is now in jeopardy was a senior Justice Department official who participated in meetings with Attorney General Edwin Meese on how to handle the burgeoning Iran-Contra political and legal scandal in late November 1986. There is little indication of his precise role at the time.

* Robert M. Gates - President Bush's nominee to succeed Donald Rumsfeld, Gates nearly saw his career go up in flames over charges that he knew more about Iran-Contra while it was underway than he admitted once the scandal broke. He was forced to give up his bid to head the CIA in early 1987 because of suspicions about his role but managed to attain the position when he was re-nominated in 1991.

* Manuchehr Ghorbanifar - the quintessential middleman, who helped broker the arms deals involving the United States, Israel and Iran ostensibly to bring about the release of American hostages being held in Lebanon, Ghorbanifar was almost universally discredited for misrepresenting all sides' goals and interests. Even before the Iran deals got underway, the CIA had ruled Ghorbanifar off-limits for purveying bad information to U.S. intelligence. Yet, in 2006 his name has resurfaced as an important source for the Pentagon on current Iranian affairs, again over CIA objections.

* Michael Ledeen - a neo-conservative who is vocal on the subject of regime change in Iran, Ledeen helped bring together the main players in what developed into the Iran arms-for-hostages deals in 1985 before being relegated to a bit part. He reportedly reprised his role shortly after 9/11, introducing Ghorbanifar to Pentagon officials interested in exploring contacts inside Iran.

* Edwin Meese - currently a member of the blue-ribbon Iraq Study Group headed by James Baker and Lee Hamilton, he was Ronald Reagan's controversial attorney general who spearheaded an internal administration probe into the Iran-Contra connection in November 1986 that was widely criticized as a political exercise in protecting the president rather than a genuine inquiry by the nation's top law enforcement officer.

* John Negroponte - the career diplomat who worked quietly to boost the U.S. military and intelligence presence in Central America as ambassador to Honduras, he also participated in efforts to get the Honduran government to support the Contras after Congress banned direct U.S. aid to the rebels. Negroponte's profile has risen spectacularly with his appointments as ambassador to Iraq in 2004 and director of national intelligence in 2005.

http://antiracismdsa.blogspot.com/2006/11/irancontra-terrorists-twenty-years.html
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:54 AM
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1. republicon Ollie North is still gloating over how he gave Iran our US weapons
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 11:55 AM by SpiralHawk
and US weapons technology.

Nothing like arming the 'evil doers" eh Ollie -- you are a true republicon.

I hope none of our honorable sons and daughers in uniform will be killed by the weapons and technology you and the republicons gave to Iran.

Why do republicons arm our "enemies"? Why do republicons hate America?

Image of HAWK missiles given to Iran -- by republicons.

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:53 PM
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8. and the moment the republic con chickens will decide to bomb
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 01:01 PM by Amonester
another sovereign country to steal their oil, that's what's gonna kill our poor family members they use as their expendable cannon-fodder for their record-profitable, endless War games.

Who's to stop them (in the land of the brave, no less...) from bringing hell on earth?

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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:55 AM
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2. k and r
Lets not forget some other players:

George Bush- father of current Pres (and Carlyle Group-er) who facilitated the whole damn thing beginning in his days as the head of CIA and continuing while he ran the office for Ron (under the affect of alzheimers) and his own presidency. This culminated in his having his son installed as POTUS and defended by James A. Baker (Saudi-defender and Carlyle Group Council).

Oliver "I don't recall" North- preaching "fair and balanced news on Faux". At least he finally took off the military uniform.

Donald "Rummy" Rumsfeld- Lest we not forget the Rummy-Cheney connections that go way back into the Ford admin when they were setting each other up as protectors of the cause. Cheney would put Rummy in place in the event that he needed political cover or defense later on. This was done in the same manner as Nixon picked Ford because he knew that he would pardon him after Spiro T. Agnew was run out on the corruption horse he rode in on.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:04 PM
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3. Isn't it noble how we arm our enemies before we fight them?
Seriously, how many times have we had to go up against our own arms?
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:09 PM
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4. There is no way to expect that they
do anything in good will with our interests in mind. They all make a fortune and that is what I think they care about most.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:10 PM
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5. AND where were they when Nixon, Chief Criminal, was ousted?
Cheney was working in the White House.

What of Lake Resources? Are they still in "business?"

I would like to see the Iran-Contra investigation reopened.
For one thing, I'd like to know who stabbed me (nine times) in Central America a few months before the Iran-Contra story broke.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:30 PM
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7. Yikes. You were stabbed?
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 12:30 PM by ck4829
Would you like to share the details of that?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:14 AM
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24. "... travel for three months, hitchhiking, exploring, discovering..." and getting stabbed
I was writing about the $100 million in illegal aid to the Contras a few days before getting stabbed.

I should add, because the journal is in-the-moment perceptions, my assailants did not take my money. They did steal my journalism notes with the names of all my Central America contacts. My billfold was left in my pocket, my money belt was untouched. And the three guys in suits that came to the hospital to examine my wounds looked like three guys in suits. My backpack with bloody clothing got held up in US Customs in New Orleans in March and Iran-Contra starts (in the media for the public) a bit later.

Here it is:

http://jqjacobs.net/writing/fa_index.html

"Finding America is a book-length journal of my travels from Oregon to Panama and back. It was written in the moment, and that writing characteristic has been upheld during subsequent editing. While traveling, not even I knew what would happen next, and my in-the-moment perceptions of events, no matter how much altered later, are preserved in the writing. If you would like to travel for three months, hitchhiking, exploring, discovering, all from the comfort of your armchair, put on a backpack mentally and join me in wondering what might happen next...."



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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:33 AM
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27. Wow. The evidence of note collecting is all they took, and
a few pints of blood. That must be the calling card of these folks. I suppose you look back and wish there was a backuup to those notes. Glad to hear you are still with us.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:23 PM
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34. Nothing lost except blood, and the rest of the planned trip.
Of course, my contacts are mostly archaeologists, chance encounters, etc., mixed in with other notes. They got the wrong note book.

All was backed up, and they did not find the most important contacts list, those getting reports via mail. I found that tiny address book by tracing back along and adding to the blood trail!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:11 PM
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6. A Bigger, Badder Sequel to Iran-Contra
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 12:17 PM by G_j
http://www.alternet.org/story/16597/

A Bigger, Badder Sequel to Iran-Contra

By Jim Lobe, deleted. Posted August 13, 2003.



Just like Ollie North and his cohorts, a small network of officials is pursuing a covert foreign policy agenda -- except their aims are vastly more ambitious. Tools

The specter of the Iran-Contra affair is haunting Washington. Some of the people and countries are the same, and so are the methods -- particularly the pursuit by a network of well-placed individuals of a covert, parallel foreign policy that is at odds with official policy.

Boiled down to its essentials, the Iran-Contra affair was about a small group of officials based in the National Security Council (NSC) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) that ran an "off-the-books" operation to secretly sell arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. The picture being painted by various insider sources in the media suggests a similar but far more ambitious scheme at work.

Taken collectively, what these officials describe and what is already on the public record suggests the existence of a disciplined network of zealous, like-minded individuals. Centered in Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith's office and around Richard Perle in the Defense Policy Board in the Pentagon, this exclusive group of officials operates under the aegis of Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney.

This network includes high-level political appointees, such as Undersecretary of State John Bolton, who are scattered around several other key bureaucracies, notably in the State Department, the NSC staff, and most importantly, in Cheney's office.

..more..
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:10 PM
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9. Fawn Hall's transposed bank account #s "saved the day"
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:56 PM
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10. Having tea with the president, of course.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:59 PM
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11. and praising him on his swing, "Nice swing, Mr. President!"
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:30 PM
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12. Amazing how treason pays off...they all should have faced
a firing squad.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 03:32 PM
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13. K&R
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:24 PM
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14. K & R n/t
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:49 PM
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15. The secret team is behind them
THE TAKING OF AMERICA, 1-2-3
by Richard E. Sprague
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToA.html

You Can Fool the People

You can fool all of the people some of the time
You can fool some of the people all of the time
But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Abraham Lincoln, 1864


The decade of 1963 to 1973 in the United State of America will go down in history for many things. In the long run it will be known through the world as the period which demonstrated that it is possible to fool most of the people all of the time.
Adolph Hitler didn't fool very many people. He cowed them, frightened them, and killed them. But most Germans knew what was happening even though they chose to do nothing about it until it was too late.
The exercise of power to control what happens and to restrict liberties is much more difficult in a Democracy or a Republic. The United States is always held up as the model case in which the guaranteed election of the president every four years and the two-party system, will prevent the country from being run by dictators. The people are represented by the Congress and also elect the President.
A person or a group planning a coup d'etat in the U.S. would have a completely different job on their hands than Germany in the 1930's, South American or African countries in the twentieth century, or France in the 1890's or Russia in 1918.
It would be necessary to fool a majority of the American people into believing that they were well represented, and that a democracy still existed, while at the same time the coup group were in reality changing the country to suit their own tastes.
It is the contention of the writer that this is exactly what has happened over a period of time following World War II. The methods used to fool the American people, certainly since 1963 and to some extent also since the end of World War I, have varied slightly as administrations changed. The main thrust however has been a constant erosion of civil rights, and a swing of government away from the best interests of the people and toward big companies, banks, the military and rich individuals and families. The trend was slowed down only briefly between 1960 and 1963 when Jack Kennedy attempted to alter the situation. He was assassinated because he did so.
To fool the American people is not easy. It requires immense capabilities, tricky, secret methods, hidden resources, great wealth and the equivalent of brainwashing or mind control on a grand scale. Yet that type of resource is precisely what has accomplished the deed. It is probable that, like Germany, the American people will awaken to what has been happening to them and to who has been doing it. It is also very likely, now that the Nixon administration has been restored for four more years, that by 1976 it will be too late, in spite of Watergate.
George McGovern's speech on ABC Television, the evening of October 25, 1972, was a warning for those citizens who were awake, that "it can happen here." It's happening here, was his basic message. Yet, unlike Germany, the people were silent, and fooled. They didn't believe him when he said, "Your liberties are being removed, one by one." The Supreme Court by 1976 will be so packed with Nixon appointees that we will never get our liberties back. McGovern covered most of the areas in which the people have been fooled. The major area he didn't cover was that of assassination. This tool represents only the end of the spectrum of techniques used by those in control to remain in control. It has been used four times very effectively, on both Kennedys, on Martin Luther King, and in the attempt on George Wallace. In the case of Wallace, crippling was sufficient to change the political outcome in 1972.



More important than the use of assassinations has been the ability to fool the American people into believing there were four lone madmen involved -- and no conspiracies. The techniques involved in fooling people are more complex and subtle than those involved in the crime itself. In the Watergate case, the original crime was the use of every trick and technique necessary to re-elect Nixon. The people had to be fooled into believing that Nixon and the CIA had nothing to do with Watergate and the broader plan of which it was part.
That the fooling part turned out to be so easy is due to a long series of conditioning steps taken with the American news media and the people over the preceding years. The Pentagon Papers case reveals how the people were fooled by several (successive CIA) administrations over a long period of time. Efforts against Ellsberg and the press continued in order to prevent further decay of the fooling process.
How is it possible in the 20th century USA -- with TV and high levels of communication, with freedom of the press, freedom of speech -- to fool most of the people all of the time? Here is how it is done. Five ingredients are required.
<Snip>

The Five Big Events. The five events since World War II about which the power control group must continue to fool the American people about are the assassinations of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King; the attempted assassination of George Wallace; and the Watergate episode. (In 1973, the truth about Chappaquiddick and its importance, together with the threats against Jackie Kennedy, Ethel Kennedy, Ted Kennedy and all of the Kennedy children, had not been exposed. Chappaquiddick is the sixth big event.)
All other things this group has done since 1947 fade into insignificance compared to these five. The reason is that the American people may accept such things as the Pueblo incident, the Gulf of Tonkin fake, the Mylai incident, the Pentagon Papers, the Kent State killings, the frame-ups of the Black Panthers and their murders, and even the whole Viet Nam war, but they would rise up in wrath if the truth about any one or all of those five events were exposed.
Thus, Mr. Hanson for Sirhan, Mr. Fensterwald for James Earl Ray, Mr. Lawrence O'Brien and the Watergate suit -- anyone opposing the findings of the Warren Commission with national prominence and success -- and anyone who begins to pry too much into George Wallace's brush with death will be opposed with all the power those in control can muster. Each will be dealt with if he comes too close, just as Jim Garrison was dealt with by both the Johnson and Nixon administrations. Garrison managed to beat out the Nixon-controlled Justice Department in his own trial in September 1973. The jury in New Orleans found him innocent in spite of the fact that the prosecuting attorney, the judge, the key witness, Pershing Gervais, and the news media were all controlled by Nixon and Mitchell. By late 1973 it was becoming a little more difficult to fool the people.





All of the above and more can be found can be found and downloaded from http://www.ratical.org /

THE SECRET TEAM


The CIA
and Its Allies
in Control of the United
States and the World



L. FLETCHER PROUTY
Col., U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
(January 24, 1917 - June 5, 2001)
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ST.html
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:51 PM
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16. Many of them are still involved with this Administration nm
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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 11:37 PM
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17. because there above the law
apparently
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:30 AM
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18. CLUESTICK: Impeachment vs. "Cutting the Funding"
Yes, it was discovered that war crimes had been committed as part of the masturbatory, military adventure in Iraq Nicaragua. They secretly tortured detainees mined the harbor.

Yes, the DC Dems remained silently complicit until a Republican, Barry Goldwater John Warner, finally said enough.

But Impeachment?!? For war crimes?!? No, no. We'll just "cut the funding" and that will do the trick. Yep, that's the ticket.

And so they did. And Iran/contra is what we got.

And instead of impeaching for that -- or for obstructing the Patrick Fiztgerald Lawrence Walsh investigation, or for illegally pardoning Poppy's co-conspirators (wait for it) -- we were told it was better to "look forward," and to advance our tired laundry-list of issues, and to not risk losing the next election, and.. and... any rationalization for inaction that would come to mind.

You reap what you sow.

Only Impeachment ... avoids another crop yield from bad seed.

It IS our positive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

--
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:42 AM
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28. You certainly have made a very good argument for, never,
never, allowing those who should be impeached-to walk away.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 10:39 PM
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35. Fantastic trip through time!
Looking forward is the opposite of looking backward and seeing history repeating itself, with new cowards in the starring roles who might just get a whiff of burning rubber as they accelerate to the max to avoid doing what they were elected to do.

Ms. Pelosi and Harry Reid are saying they're going to do something *much more serious* than a nonbinding resolution!!! I wonder if they've given any recent thought to setting the table for an impeachment party. Maybe we should all call them and ask!

A new meme on the block, coming out of the mouths of both Repubs and Dems, is "Making inroads over time"!

With each tick of that traitorous clock, some innocent person, Iraqi or American or whomever is unfortunate enough to be in Iraq, Afghanistan (Iran coming soon?) loses their precious life.

Those who have time to make slow inroads should shoulder a rifle and show up for duty "Over There"!

Impeachment! Yes!

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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:40 AM
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19. When "Dubya" presented his cabinet and told us he was singlehandedly
going to bring back honesty and integrity to the White House, I looked to my DH and told him we were going to war. It only took 9 months for my prophecy to come to a really ugly realization.

The Bush family truly does need to be held accountable going back at least to Preston and WWII. Then, just maybe, then could we finally have a real awakening and a recovery in this country.

Peace

Sorry for the rambling rant.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:53 AM
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20. Don't forget John Poindexter! He was heading DARPA in the Pentagon until
he was discovered to be invoived in a betting on terrorism market.

This is a great Ari Fleicsher/Helen Thomas exchange (I love Helen)!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/02/20020225-16.html

That's a summary of the President's day. Helen.

Q Ari, why would this administration choose a man for couterterrorism who is so associated with the dark side of the Iran Contra scandal, Admiral Poindexter?

MR. FLEISCHER: When you say, choose him for counterterrorism, can you be more specific?

Q He's in the Pentagon, he's been appointed head of DARPA, which is a counterterrorist office, developing plans, demonstrations with information.

MR. FLEISCHER: I'm not aware of any appointment.

Q Yet.

MR. FLEISCHER: Let me just say about Admiral Poindexter, Admiral Poindexter is somebody who this administration thinks is an outstanding American and an outstanding citizen who has done a very good job in what he has done for our country, serving in the military.

Q How can you say that, when he told Colonel North to lie?

MR. FLEISCHER: Helen, I think your views on Iran Contra are well-known, but the President does believe that Admiral Poindexter served --

Q It isn't my view, this is the prosecutor for the United States.

MR. FLEISCHER: I understand. The President thinks that Admiral Poindexter has served our nation very well.

Q Really?

MR. FLEISCHER: That's the President's thoughts.

Q Do you know his record?

MR. FLEISCHER: I'm sure you will inform me.

Q I don't have to, all you have to do is look it up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Poindexter

Recall to public service

From December, 2002, to August, 2003, Poindexter served as the Director of the DARPA Information Awareness Office (IAO). The controversial mission of the IAO was to imagine, develop, apply, integrate, demonstrate and transition information technologies, components, and prototype closed-loop information systems that will counter asymmetric threats (most notably, terrorist threats) by achieving total information awareness: enabling preemption; national security warning; and, national security decision making.

Poindexter also faced immense criticism from the media and politicians about the Policy Analysis Market project, a futures exchange that would have allowed trading in, and profiting from, such events as the assassination of heads of state and acts of terrorism. The controversy over the futures market led to a Congressional audit of the IAO, which revealed a fundamental lack of privacy protection for American citizens. Funding for the IAO was subsequently cut and Poindexter retired from DARPA on August 12, 2003.

In January 2007, Poindexter was elected to the Board of Directors of BrightPlanet Corporation <1>, a company that designs and develops search, harvest, and document federation technology.

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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:01 AM
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22. And a couple more conspirators.
Otto Reich: was appointed Assistant Secretary of State for the Western Hemisphere in January 2002, but his nomination was met with great criticism and his appointment was never confirmed by the US Senate. Bush then appointed him US Special Envoy to the Western Hemisphere for the Secretary of State, a post which does not require congressional approval.
Reich is a highly controversial figure because of his fervent anti-Castro ideology and his activities in support of the Reagan administration's Central American policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Reich


Charles E. Allen: under Bush, appointed in August 2005 to be chief intelligence officer at the Department of Homeland Security. Allen's position at DHS was not subject to Senate confirmation. Prior to the DHS appointment, Allen had worked 47 years at the CIA. Director of Central Intelligence William Webster formally reprimanded Allen for failing to fully comply with the DCI's request for full cooperation in the agency's internal Iran-Contra scandal investigation. However coworkers of Allen pointed out that Webster reprimanded the one person in the CIA who had brought his suspicions of a funds diversion to Robert Gates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair#George_W._Bush_appointees

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:17 AM
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25. Thank you, I forgot about these two. btw...do you know that Oliver North was part of FEMA
at the time?
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:59 PM
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30. No, I don't think I ever heard about that.
His position there must have been a set up for another method to funnel more cash to him, like his home improvements. I know there were/are many crooks afoot.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:34 PM
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31. Here is a link to the floor speech of Congressman Jim McDermott mentioning it.
http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/sp030311.shtml

Excerpt

FEMA, whose main role is disaster response, is also responsible for handling U.S. domestic unrest.

From 1982 to 1984, Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defense preparations. Details of those plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the Constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps, and the turning over of government to the President and FEMA.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:53 AM
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21. Yeah they're all still free and makin' sure their dreams of endless war come true...
....perpetual HELL ON EARTH. :grr: :argh:
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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:16 AM
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23. kick
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:21 AM
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26. The Nazi regime never ended, it just moved locations
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:49 AM
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29. Poppy swinging his shriveled up old dick around with...
actresses half his age, and receiving the Ronald Reagan "Freedom Award"....:puke:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:37 PM
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32. We had a chance to put some real criminals away and did we?
Hell no! They are still in charge and more powerful than ever! It was the stimuli behind our current woes IMO - if someone would have shown that you cannot abuse power 9/11 might have never happen. For certain we would not be in Iraq.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:40 PM
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33. You're playing my tune :)
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-20-05 06:08 AM
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Now we know the true consequences of "going easy" on Iran Contra

Had the Dems (who DID control both houses of congress) pressed harder, and not contented themselves with the idea that GHWB (the wimp) would be easygoing, and inconsequential...well things would be very different now.,

Had Reagan/Bush gotten their just desserts for Iran Contra, and all the dirt been exposed, they would have left office, fully disgraced..GHWB probably would not have even gotten elected..Carter would be held in higher esteem...and There's no way in HELL that *² would have gotten appointed to the white house

The appointments to the SCOTUS that were made by GHWB would have been made by a democrat..Kennedy..Souter..Thomas would not be on the bench, and we would not be facing a right wing court for the foreseeable future.

The democratic party has always hated "piling on", and has been ready to "forgive and forget".

Look at all the key players in this administration.. Almost all of them have their roots in the Iran Contra Days, Grenada, Panama, and many other republican schemes.

We do ourselves and the country a great disservice when we let the "bad guys" off with a slap on the wrist.

republicans have no shame.. they wear their crimes like badges of honor..and like the energizer bunnies, they just keep on coming back..

This is why we cannot let Rove off the hook, and strong language and actions are necessary..

The only thing that republicans DO understand is PUBLIC HUMILIATION, and jail terms.


If you DO wrong, you need to be punished..not just turned out of office to go lick your wounds until next time
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