Giuliani: "We learned from Ronald Reagan that the way we achieve peace

[EFerrari]

is from strength, not weakness."

I just caught that clip. Where was this slimeball speaking, anyone know?

And, for the record, we learned from Ronald Reagan that catsup is a vegtable when it comes to feeding children and that torturing brown people is an American value.

There are 502,000 links for the search "Ronald Reagan torture.

Good morning, America.

[saltpoint]

1. Giuliani is riding high poll numbers right now but as soon as he

announces officially the gloves come off on the Republican side, and Rudy becomes fair game in the ad wars.

He has more marriages than his Mormon competition for the nomination.

He's not as bright as Gingrich.

He's not as pure a conservative nutbag as Brownback, try as he might to lure the neocons.

He's not as folksy and down-to-earth as Huckabee.

He's not as heroic as the perception of McCain-as-war-veteran.

He comes across in public speaking like a bank officer foreclosing on a family farm.

He's a New York City ex-mayor and he's going to be schlepping through the barnyards of Iowa extolling the virtues of ethanol?

I'm not seeing this plane get off the runway.

[EFerrari]

5. Hi there, Old Crusoe. It's always good to see you on these internets.

What gave me pause was the dragging out of Ronnie as some kind of role model.

But then again, I was also ungracious during the week of his demise.

I guess I'm just too dumb to appreciate a president that guts labor unions, that exports torture and that sacks our social programs. Not to mention, the slimeball implicated whoever he wanted to when McCarthy needed fresh meat from Hollywood.

This is so gross on so many levels.

[saltpoint]

sfexpat! Hi. Yep. Reagan was the pits. A monstrous

administration.

You had valid call indeed to exhibit ungraciousness during the week of his state funeral.

I listened to a lot of Jackson Browne's LIVES IN THE BALANCE that week, just as a counterpoint to the Central American death squads.

[EFerrari]

22. I had my 30th birthday party at Jackson's concert here

at the Japanese Theatre and my whole family came out. Innocents. One of my aunts was overheard saying to my mom, "But, Rosie, these people are all COMMUNISTS!"

And when the show was over, I ran up to the stage with a copy of his first album. "That's soooo old" he said. I said, that's just a baby picture. And then, he walked off with my pen.

So, my mom started saying in full voice, "Jackson Browne took my daughter's pen!" It was chaos.

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

26. A pen is a small price to pay to have his autograph or

hear him sing on your birthday.

What a GREAT idea for a birthday celebration -- Communists and all!

I love it.

[EFerrari]

27. My family is very forgiving..

lol

:hi:

[saltpoint]

28. LOL!

:hi:
:dem:

[nonconformist]

57. I agree. Plus, the religious right will not be supportive of Giuliani at all

And the repukes know that they NEED that fundie vote.

[NewJeffCT]

63. Wrong - they already love Rudy

Pat Robertson has already approved of Giuliani's candidacy.

[JanMichael]

66. Pat Robertson doesn't represent the whole RR--

this candidacy is going to be great for Dems because the Religious Right vote will be split up on Giuliani--he is going to be the Nader of the Repubs before the primary.

http://www.nowpublic.com/religious_right_leader_giuliani_would_mean_a_democratic_victory

[NewJeffCT]

68. Who will they split for?

Unless somebody runs as a 3rd party candidate, it will be Giuliani or nobody.

And we should also remember that George W. Bush - beloved of the Religious Reich - is a man whose past includes alcoholism, drug abuse, deserting the national guard during a time of war, failing at every business he tried, DUI arrests and his supposed paying of a g/f to get an abortion, among other things. Yet, the Religious Reich views him as their ideal candidate.

[JanMichael]

77. Sorry for being crude, but point blank: Giuliani lacks a skirt to hide behind

Bush was able to stay the course as the darling of the Right Wing God 'n Guns set because Laura was able to shove enough tranqs down her throat, and stay married to the clown. Mission Accomplished! Giuliani does not have a woman or kids of a long term stable relationship to trot out.

Also, Bush kept his "special friendships" with non-hetero men under wraps--something Giuliani wasn't willing to do---and then there's the real kicker:

Bush CLAIMS to be anti-choice on the issue of abortion.

iow--Giuliani hasn't spent years fostering his image of a good 'ol right wing christian, and he isn't going to fly with this group.

[EFerrari]

78. His accent alone turns off the 33 percenters. And imho, you are right

about the skirt.

[Swamp Rat]

58. "He comes across in public speaking like a bank officer foreclosing on a family farm."

:rofl: EXACTLY!!! :rofl:

[saltpoint]

72. Swamp Rat. Howdy. Hey --

-- that's your best visual yet.

From the Bush administration's Little Shop of Horrors.

[Swamp Rat]

106. Way'at OC!

:hi: I saw Hieronymus Bosch's "The Garden of Earthly Delights" in Madrid's Prado last month. It's my favorite in the whole museum... though, I really dig Goya too.



On New Year's Eve I visited the plaza where those people (in the Goya painting above) were killed. I saw lots of young folks drinking and having a great time... a much nicer sight than depicted in Goya's "El Tres de Mayo de 1808 en Madrid."

[saltpoint]

108. Well, I'm impressed with the Bosch re-interpretation with Dubya

but mostly I'm howling with jealousy over your trip to Madrid -- and to see art, no less.

Bravo, good adventurer.

That's how it's done.

[Swamp Rat]

110. Dat ain't nuthin'!

:D I almost got blowed up by ETA terrorists in the Madrid airport when I got there, :yoiks: then I drove all over north central Spain in Basque country to the border (France). I crammed YEARS worth of adventures into just a few weeks. Forget the travel guides. I rarely use them (unless I ever go to the Far East, perhaps).

Anyway, every overseas trip I make is like earning another college degree... :)

Btw, one of the best art exibits I saw was near Guernica. There is an artist named Chillida (he passed away in 2002) who did large, stone and metal sculptures set outdoors on a farm. The indoors museum is housed in a 16th century farm house of stone and wood.

[saltpoint]

112. The grounds there are so well, pastoral, while the sculptural lanscape

inside looks impenetrable by humans. There's really not a hint of human survivability, even though everything except the individual sculpture is unthreatening and ordinary. The individual pieces make the entire landscape alien and impenetrable.

It just sounds like a hell of a great trip to me.

[Swamp Rat]

113. my first vacation since Katrina

It was WONDERFUL to get out of here for a while. I didn't want to leave Spain. Fortunately, I have family there so I can visit again and again. I have made 4 trips (and lived in Catalunya) to Iberia. The next trip I am gonna go to Granada and Sevilla... and Portugal and Galícia if I have the time... and Valencia, and Isla Canarias... :D

Where I REALLY want to go is Crete, to see the ancient Minoan Palace of Knossos. ;)

[saltpoint]

115. Well my god, that's an itinerary jammed with sensation and mythic

soul.

Just signal me a couple weeks out from your departure. Cuz I'm goin' with ya.

[Gabi Hayes]

109. you lucky chien, you! now...

you HAVE to read "Leap", by Terry Tempest Williams

the entire book is about her experiences leading up to, surrounding, and viewing (for, literally a year, altogether) that painting

one of the very best books I've ever read

transcendental

[Swamp Rat]

111. I can relate

We had a similar experince..., though, if I write a book someday, it will likely be on a different topic.... Who knows? :shrug: ...? Maybe I will write, "How Not To Use So Many Ellipses In Creative Writing?" :D

[brettdale]

59. But

Hes going to be saying his mantra "9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11"

Thats all he got.

[saltpoint]

74. True -- I expect him to actually sprout horns in the shape of the

Twin Towers popping from his forehead during campaign appearances.

Rudy's bad news.

[Gabi Hayes]

80. you forgot the only thing that really matters:

the M$M is farther up his ass than they've been McCain's, and now that the bloom appears to finally coming of his rose, Guiliani's the new golden boy, getting ZERO negative coverage, unlike Obama, who many consider to be (laughably....can you say Madrassa, anyone?) dipped in political teflon.

He's America's Mayor....a ROCK STAR! (I just heard him called that by Trent Lott, of all people, who say they ALL love him in Mississippi). And you know how the M$M refuse to deviate from their preconceived narrative, facts be damned.

I hope I'm right, but just wait til things get a bit farther down the road, and see how much media play his GRAND JURY testimony about Bernie Kerik gets, and how his CLOSE ties to Kerik, who was given a golden pass in only pleading to misdemeanors, instead of being tried, and easily convicted of felonies for corruption (while being tied at the wrist and ankles to his VERY close friend, and business partner, St. Rudy).

We'll see if this sort of thing gets the same sort of intensive coverage as Bush cocaine, Bush AWOL, Harken Oil, Eliza May, etc., got in 1999-2000 (forget 2004)

don't hold your breath......

[dysfunctional press]

88. the msm has decided that it will be guliani vs. clinton for election 08.

the only thing left to be worked out is whether rudy will win in a squeaker or a landslide...once that decision is handed-down, they can get to writing the new codes for the electronic voting machines.

[saltpoint]

96. I'm not expecting the MSM to do much of anything, really. I think Rudy's

GOP opponents will take care of business this time.

It's not difficult to picture Romney's people, Brownback's people, and certainly McCain's people in separate meetings, devising ads to take da mayor out at the knees.

As it turns out, they want the job as much as Rudy does and will make a concerted effort to INFORM voters of Rudy's record on issues, which I'm sure the ads will suggest are inconsistent with a true conservative platform.

[Downtown Hound]

2. Rudy, thanks to Bush, the United States has never looked weaker

A huge military with the most advanced weapons in the history of the world, and we're losing to a bunch of peasants armed with small arms and homemade bombs. Naked aggression isn't strength Rudy, you dumb ass. It's the highest form of weakness. But I don't expect you to listen to reason like this. You're not smart enough.

[EFerrari]

7. Bingo! And you know he knows it.

[Australian]

48. Bingo! And you know he knows it.

I don't think he cares about your nation, or anybody excepting his Bechtel friends..

Am I right, has he done nothing during his administration to protect US and world interests from Bechtel's business relations with the most corrupt Islamic military in the world, its hope for a nuclear future, and for trying to establish future US access to the minerals of Iraq and other nations? Can ANYONE explain a honest reason why the US Senate last year removed the US Congressmen's entire Section 1115 "DEVELOPMENTS IN AND POLICY TOWARD INDONESIA"; why was it removed from the US Foreign Relations bill? Excepting that Bechtel's wishes were more important than the questions the US Congressmen were trying to ask.

And was ANY of this reported in the US media ???

When Jakarta after 9/11 erupted into three weeks of anti-US rallies and mobs searching hotels for Americans; was that reported to the US public, or did the Whitehouse instead publish a silly fantasy claiming a "new era of bilateral cooperation based on shared democratic values".

A year later the chief of Indonesian intelligence admitted they were still hosting al Qaeda training camps. And that is in addition to the Laskar Jihad, Jemaah Islamiyah, Barisan Merah Putih and other jihad terrorist militia enforcing Jakarta's dream of the world's first Islamic superpower; then there is the FPI political party that has FORCED Jakarta's Sharia Law on the people of Aceh against their wishes.
This is the kind of 'democracy' George Bush is FUNDING with your tax money using his left hand while he kkeps your media entertained with his right hand.

[EFerrari]

50. The Bush family has no interest whatsoever in the American people

or in governance.

None.

None at all.

They are interested in their circle of cronies.

[tularetom]

3. My repub neighbor brought some eggs over today

and I asked what she thought about Giuliani and she said he was "too New Yorky" to suit her. I think that is a pretty accurate description of the problem he's going to have to deal with out here in the sticks.

[EFerrari]

8. I hope you're right, Tom. Because he's a product, not a candidate

if you know what I mean.

[tularetom]

15. Yeah but the hype and the gaudy packaging

can't coverup the shitty product inside.

[Diane R]

4. So. Remind me again about Guiliani's military service?

[jab105]

6. Clearly, previous to Reagan we had thought that the way to achieve peace...

was through weakness?!?!?!

I swear...it really pisses me off that so many people will hear that and be like...yea...cause those Democrats want to achieve peace through weakness...ugh...

[EndElectoral]

9. Does he mean when Reagan fled Beirut after the Marines bombing?

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. We learned that all suspects are guilty of a crime because

if they weren't guilty they wouldn't be a suspect.

We learned that from Reagan's AG, Edwin Meese.

:hi:

[EFerrari]

14. LOL!

:rofl:

[charlie]

11. We learned from Ronald Reagan

that a narcoleptic mouthbreather can be recast as the Greatest President in History on just our say-so. Rudy caught a bit of that mojo when he became America's Mayor in the days Dubya was looking for a hidey-hole.

[EFerrari]

36. You are so right.

I wonder how many people have died or will die because Rudy sent them to the pile.

This man is the worst of us. We really need to know that.

[nebenaube]

43. uh... he had sleep apnea...

if it was narcolepsy any joke or startling moment would have taken him to the ground...

[charlie]

45. I know he didn't have narcolepsy

That wasn't a diagnosis, it was just smartassing.

[EFerrari]

47. How dysfunctional could he have been -- during his tenure

they were torturing people in Southeast Asia, in Central America and in northern Africa.

That was our Ronnie. That POS.

[charlie]

51. Not to mention swelling our prison population

while emptying out mental wards. We were finally reaching a social (and legal) accomodation of recreational drug use when he rolled out his Total War on Everything But Alcohol and Nicotine. Now we're burdened with the prison industry, which is yet another corporate parasite that has an interest in skewing our laws to feed its rapacious appetite.

[EFerrari]

52. No kidding, Beautiful California is a prison colony

mostly because of that POS.

[Frank Cannon]

67. uh...I think it was pretty obvious that Charlie was hyperbolizing...

At least, obvious to most people.

And as far as Ronald Reagan's supposed sleep apnea, link, please.

[EndElectoral]

12. Or maybe he means when we sold arms to the same Iran we're now worried about?

[EFerrari]

16. Ronnie would never do that!

:sarcasm:

[EndElectoral]

13. Or maybe it was the massive Grenada invasion

[EFerrari]

19. We sure showed them who was boss.

All fifty of them.

:sarcasm:

[EndElectoral]

17. Or maybe it was when he supplied arms to Osama Bin Laden and the Mujhadein

[EndElectoral]

18. Or supplying arms for the Salvadorean Death Squads...yeah Reagan taught us a lot.

[EFerrari]

21. Maybe there's something wrong with me but my family is from El Salvador.

All five of my mom's generation have citizenship and they are all capitalists with a capital "C".

And we all know someone who was killed for no reason under the Great Communicator's adminstration. Just people.

[EFerrari]

20. Reagan aided al Qaida? Someone call Homeland Sekurity!

:rofl:

[Seabiscuit]

23. War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength.

Where have I heard that before?

[EFerrari]

24. Let's call this POS on everything.

Really. Let's do it.

[Seabiscuit]

30. OK. Your turn. :O)

[EFerrari]

33. Omg. Ronald Reagan.

F&ck me every which way.

It's just un-cheneying believable that he can be dragged out as a role model.

Put another way, my jaw has :wtf: fatigue.

[mtnester]

65. I think you read that

in a book

or else it came from the Ministry

:P

[AndyTiedye]

25. The One Thing Reagan DIDN'T Do Was Start Wars

Reagan talked tough, but it was all an act and he knew it. He didn't start wars for real, like the Bushes.

[EFerrari]

29. Well, I'm sorry to say that he did. He started them quietly and illegally

all over Central America.

[AndyTiedye]

79. OK, You Have a Point There, Though We Were Never Able to Prove It

Still Reagan almost looks like a pacifist (even though he didn't sound like one), compared to Bush I, Bush II, or Nixon.

[EFerrari]

84. Must have been a different bunch of cronies.

Am I making this up or wasn't an American pilot captured in Nicaragua? He had to parachute out and he was caught?

[EFerrari]

85. Here's one link. The guy was Hassenfus.

Nicaragua
Hasenfus: Nothing But the Fact

Envío team

"My name is Eugene Hasenfus. I come from Marinette, Wisconsin. I was captured yesterday in southern Nicaragua." The press was not permitted any questions that day, October 7, just a few minutes for photo ops. After thus identifying himself, the first North American captured alive, in the act of delivering arms to the contras, was led from the room defeated and resigned.

Just before the press conference, a radio announcer, unable to hide his enthusiasm, described the captured man as "tall, blond and strong, just like one always imagined a pure gringo would be." That night, Nicaraguans with access to a TV had the first fleeting chance to see for themselves.

The next day, the entire front page of the newspaper Barricada was filled with a potential candidate for best photo of the year: nineteen-year-old José Fernando Canales, with his placid, unmistakably indigenous features, hair a bit longer than regulation measured by time spent in the jungle, and a rosary showing under his army shirt, is emerging from the brush, his rifle slung over one shoulder and a slender cord draped slackly over the other. The far end of the cord is tied around the hands of a large rumpled man with an ill-humored look. Eugene Hasenfus is being led by a soldier nearly 25 years younger and a foot shorter than he, the same one who had succeeded in shooting down his plane two days earlier with a rocket launcher.

The image was matched by another on the back page, this one of a 17-year-old, 79-pound Vietnamese militia member who had captured a similarly stocky US pilot, W.H. Robinson, after his plane was downed in her country on September 20, 1965.

With the capture of Eugene Hasenfus, a fast-moving new episode has opened in the grinding war Nicaragua has been living through. A good deal of information has begun to come out around the Hasenfus case, explaining better than anything else could why this moment is so serious. Given all that is being admitted, revealed and proven through his case, envío has decided to put it together in one place in these pages.


http://www.envio.org.ni/articulo/3243

[bobbolink]

91. Which is why we MUST press for Impeachment now!

Thank you for this story, because it's all so easily forgotten. I'm concerned that this nation can no longer even remember, let alone process, history.

We cannot afford to have a replay of all this!!

[EFerrari]

94. One of my friends used to go back and forth to the Atlantic coast

of Nicaragua. She worked with the Miskitu people there -- she was working on land rights for indigenous peoples.

What Ronald Reagan did to those people was clearly an atrocity. He disrupted their whole way of life -- sent a large number fleeing into Guatemala to starve in camps. They were conscripted to fight in the "Contra" army because their families were hostages in armed camps. We don't even know how many were killed for resisting.

Whole villages were told to evacuate because the Sandinistas were coming to kill them. And, people were told their relatives had been shot. Roxanne used to carry photographs into the refugee camps to show the families that their loved ones were alive and fine. It had all been a lie.

Roxanne has written about all the horrendous human rights violations she found in the situation. And she was roundly smeared for making them public. I have so much respect for her because she risked her life to get that information out on more than one occasion. It nearly destroyed her, that whole process, but she never gave up. Tough cookie. :)

We HAVE to push to impeach these criminals or they JUST COME BACK with better skills to hide their felonious tracks.

[bobbolink]

118. Here's to Roxanne!

:applause: :toast: :applause:

There are so many unsung sheroes!!

Thank you for telling her story! :loveya:

[AX10]

31. "We learned from Ronald Reagan that he sucked as President."

[EFerrari]

34. But our mornings were sunny

while he ordered torture those foreign places we don't need to worry about.

[Imagevision]

32. Reagan: "oh we'll just trade some weapons for drugs, it'll be alright..."

[EFerrari]

35. A real piece of work and Junior's template. n/t

[Australian]

37. Neo-Republican Global fantasies

It is a scary reminder of the root cause to this so called "War on Terrorism";
a VERY selective 'war' indeed as GW BUsh lifted Clinton's bans on supplying weapons to the TNI who continue supporting jihad terrorist netoworks and conducting the repression of democratic rallies and talks by the colonized people of the Moluccas (Maluku in Indonesian, Ambon etc. to many others); Aceh; the Dayak people of Borneo; and yes my friends in West Papua.
From Asia to the Pacific people want to escape the colonization which George Bush and Bechtel Inc. support.

I'm sorry to say, but the U.S. today appears to be a hollow mockery of what your "Founding Fathers" had hoped.

[EFerrari]

40. We are fighting back, Austalian, hard as we can. Welcome to DU.

:)

[Australian]

60. fighting back

It is GREAT that you have the will and want to 'fight' back;
you can see something is wrong and you want to "fix" it.

But, unless you know what the problem is, you can't succeed fixing it. Instead you are more likely to be the next people to be manipulated and used by those pulling the strings. In 1962 Kennedy did not realise he was surrounded by advisors who were friends with Bechtel's associates; I don'tthink even Nixon was one of the corporation's people, but I strongly suspect GW Bush is.

As to your first problem, of not being able to 'see' the problem.

If I told you that the Australian government and Rupbert Murdoch working together could manipulate enough of the Australian media to direct news coverage to what they wanted; would you be able to conceive that such a thing 'could' in theory happen?

Now, what if I said the Rockefellers, Ford Foundation, Bechtel? And that it was you, and the United States whose information has been 'filtered' for decades? These are not new operators, Standard Oil was convicted of your anti-trust laws in 1911 but instead of banning the directors from operating businesses (as would happen in Australia if you are ever bankrupted for example), the Standard Oil group continued with the SAME business ethos only they started moving their immoral interests overseas.

Next came the new-money, Henry Ford who believed WW-I was a Jewish plot and began publishing anti-semetic rubbish during the 1920's that inspired Adolph Hitler in his anti-semetic belief; a side issue. The important thing is that Henry believed America had some kind of divine destiny ; he created the Ford Foundation and hired people who shared his vision of 'improving' the American dream.

By this point in time, 1936, John Rockefeller and friends were already surveying the 'Dutch Indies' for extra mineral wealth in hope that getting rid of the Dutch would allow their US corporations to access the minerals of Aceh & Sumatra, Borneo,the Celebes, Moluccas, and West New Guinea. WW-II got rid ofthe Dutch while Tokyo in March 1945 issued orders for their man Sukarno and Mohammad Hatta to create a post-war state to be called "Indonesia".

Yes, this is Sukarno who spent the 1930s calling for Japan to declare war on the United States of America as part of his scheme to get into power. And the US and UK Generals were given orders NOT to arrest or disarm Sukarno and his troops. In Australia the public and the Unions innocently believed the US news reports all claiming Sukarno was a popluar elected leader of independence and that the Dutch were suddenly evil wicked people wanting to colonize the East Indies again. In fact the Dutch were trying to prevent Sukarno seizing power.

Rockefeller being a wonderful big-hearted man (not) donated $8m of land to the new United Nations, and it rushed through Indonesia's independence and then turned a blind eye as Sukarno for eight months destroye the "United States of Indonesia" government and declared the entire regon to be part of his "Republic of Indonesia".

Now, do you understand why the Ford Foundation was offering US businesses "easy access to the wealth of Asia" back in 1949? See David Ransom's "Ford Country: Building an elite for Indonesia" http://www.cia-on-campus.org/internat/indo.html

Sukarno was replaced by General Suharto and a half million Javanese killed, not because Sukarno was a 'communist' but because Sukarno would not sign the US business contracts; General Suharto did. Modern Globalization was born in Indonesia 1965 as the General agreed to sell a 30 year license of West Papua's minerals to Rockefeller's Freeport company, as he made the female population of Java available as factory workers to replace the US clothing industry, etc. etc.

As a result, the US corporations willing to take their share of the loot; got a competitive edge over their competitors and over the pass forty years the worse corporate citizens of the US have also become the most powerful.

Yes, Vietnam was an earlier effort, it is a communist state today because of the United States supporting the French effort to re-colonize Vietnam in 1946. Iran is another 'blow-back' dues to Operation Ajax replacing a democratic government with a a hated British Monarch, twenty five years later it allowed a radical Islamic Cleric to become a regional power.

Most US businessmen are GOOD people; BUT not all of them, some should have been in JAIL.

That is why GW Bush is funding Islamic terrorist today, why US corporations are profiteering from genocide of West Papua, and why much of the world had understandable reasons for hating the United States. It is not your fault, you did not decide to do these evil things, the US public did not, the US Congress & Senate did not.

BTW: the Indonesian military, the TNI, was originally a anti-US Jiahd militia, it was WW-II and you were their enemy but today they are business partners for Exxon, Freeport McMoRan, Bechtel and others.

9/11 was the LOGICAL result of these corporations doing their business and making the world fear the destructive intentions of the US and CIA, easy for indoctrinated Muslims to believe they have valid reasons for hating you. You DIDN'T clean up your Corporations doing these evil things before someone did the equally evil thing that was 9/11.

[upi402]

41. 99% of US didn't get info on E. Timor

Please understand we are propagandized. We are so thoroughly propagandized by the neocon media that most think the media is liberal.

Very sad and maybe intractable. Time will tell. But to stand in a chain link pen called a 'free speech zone' is no good.

[EFerrari]

44. Free speech zone, my bald headed granny. That would be these United States.

You said it, upi402.

[upi402]

46. I'd lend you my wirecutters everytime! n/t

[EFerrari]

49. Alberto 'Torquemada" Gonzales has some quaint ideas

about our Constitution.

We will disabuse him.

And I appreciate any lending of tools.

:)

[Australian]

62. neocon media

Yes, I have able, I have watched your CNN
So right-winged and hopelessly spourting US propaganda instead of just giving you the facts. That is a concern.

But the media manipulation I was talking about are the US related news items which the US media does not report.

[Imagevision]

38. Reagan is right up there with Ford...!

[EFerrari]

42. He was so much worse. A two pronged attack on workers

here and there.

And, there was that whole dirty war thing. I don't know why the Miskitu people on the north coast of Nicaragua still exist as a community.

[upi402]

39. To know Rudi is to

barf right up.

[Gwerlain]

53. I got...

a million twenty thousand.

[EFerrari]

54. Your count is probably more accurate.

I didn't try unions or mental health or education as search terms.

What a waste of skin he was.

[Gwerlain]

55. Heh, I usually say...

a waste of air, but the thought is the same.

[EFerrari]

56. Is the same. We "learned" from that POS that our Constitution

was negotiable.

Good going, RONNIE. I hope you have room for Dick on your bench in hell.

And, whaddaya know, Giuliani wants to run on being a Reagan Republic.

What a crappy back up position.

Nice going, RUDY!

[Guaranteed]

61. And the way to be strong is by NOT attacking other countries for no reason.

As you should have learned by now.

[ck4829]

64. Didn't Reagan achieve peace by secretly giving weapons to terrorists?

[EFerrari]

75. He "achieved peace" by not formally declaring war.

POS.

[mmonk]

69. Cut and Run or dealing arms for hostages?

[bridgit]

70. Reagan taught bin Laden *his* essential lesson too: "spend them into oblivion"...

The Wall was already crumbling, the threat of a further arms race pushed it over; with the u.s. approaching a trillion dollar boondoggle war, we are to crumble ourselves from Reagan's own preachings having gone full circle from the pithy truth within them neither Reagan, Guiliani, nor bush, nor Cheney et al truly understand and that is that nothing lasts forever,


"Never stop spending money you do not have.
And if you ever run out of non-sense to spend it on, fritter away whatever is left to your no-bid cronies"

there is the proof, Giuliani is unelectable; he doesn't even know what he is saying

[EFerrari]

76. He doesn't know what he's saying. He's a criminal and not a very

smart one at that.

[bridgit]

90. i think Giuliani's life is a shrieking mess...

[Gabi Hayes]

92. the M$M will ignore it as best they can.....just today they were discussing

his ex wife, without mentioning WHICH ex wife it was

they will NOT say he's been married three times

that just sounds so.....wrong

two...OK, but three?

[EFerrari]

104. Junior got away with it. When they own the media, even shrieking losers

can get appointed president. :shrug:

[Darth_Kitten]

71. They really want to remember Reagan as something special, huh?

:rofl:

Even Thatcher knew him to be an idiot.

[sakabatou]

73. So full of wisdom

:eyes:

[Gabi Hayes]

81. "Bernie, thank God George Bush is our president."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=151710

do you really need to hear any more than that?

when Giuliani gets the nomination, I don't want to see ANYthing else but that quote plastered all over the place, with big, smoochy, huggy pictures of the two of them in flagrante delicto








that said, he IS a hell of a good looking woman....

[EFerrari]

82. He does a great Polonius.

lol

[Gabi Hayes]

83. For all you repugs who hate decry all things PC

[Gabi Hayes]

86. you heard it here (not) first:

''The attack on the twin towers blew a hole in downtown Manhattan and in our collective memory. Osama bin Laden and company did a better P.R. job for Giuliani than spin ghouls Hill & Knowlton ever did for Dick Nixon. He made everyone but the most grouchy and resentful New Yorkers forget that before planes crashed into the World Trade Center, Rudy was a hyper-authoritarian narcissist with a lust for overkill verging on the sociopathic.

And now, at a time when the machinations of another hubristic bully have brought an unprecedented expansion of the powers of the presidency, "America's Mayor" may be our next chief executive. He is neck and neck with John McCain when Americans are asked their preference for the next occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It is alarming to think that the murky dealings and totalitarian tendencies that have marred the current administration could flourish even more under another control-junkie Republican. It is even more frightening to think what a commander in chief who already has a violent record of abusing authority could do with the unrestrained might of a geopolitical superpower. Given Giuliani's historic willingness to take Spanish Inquisition-style action against threats both real and imaginary, is anyone in doubt that it is every American's duty to keep Rudolph Giuliani as far from the White House as possible?''


http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/12/05/giuliani/index.html

[EFerrari]

87. "We forgot that Daddy was a psycho."

:rofl:

[Gabi Hayes]

93. very interesting article, which I'm still reading, cause of all the other stuff here.

this is the quote the dems need to make him OWN, though:

"Bernie, thank God George Bush is our president."

and, judging from the idiocies he's been spouting the last few days, that won't be much of a problem

how I hope he lives to regret sucking at the Bush teat, in his transparent efforts to endear himself with the Xtian Trogright

Bob Jones U, HERE WE COME!

[EFerrari]

97. Just the "Bernie" -- all by itself -- is incriminating.

God, that graphic gives me a stomache ache. I could get religion if only to pray that's not the race we'll have. :(

[charlie]

102. Being a genuine strop-wielding authoritarian,

Rudy's got a real shot, I think, if he sticks with that side of his personality. Republican elections are always a hunt for Big Daddy. What's already undoing him is his neediness. He wants this so bad, he's terrified and it shows. Neither Reagan nor Dubya would act this way, diminishing themselves by toadying to supposed "giants."

[EFerrari]

103. "Authoritarian" is a concept DUers should know like the back of their hand.

In some ways, though, McCain is more dangerous than Guiliani because he can *seem* reasonable. You can almost see the flames licking out of Rudy's eyes but McCain can *seem* like a sort of normal white guy who has put in long years in public service.

But of course, that's bull.

[bobbolink]

89. I will NEVER forgive Reagan for sliming poor folk!

Yes, it's true that citizens should have been smart enough not to go along with the sliming, but..... Raygun was the one who chose to first play the divisive class war game with his tactics against poor folk.

We can still see the effects of it, even with "progressives", even at DU. The suspicion and the denigration continue.

Most important, though, the long-term result has been for poor people and poverty to be IGNORED.

I will NEVER forgive that bald hatred!

[EFerrari]

101. It's like he was trying to bury his own history -- on the backs of

poor people.

If my mom had waited a year to go into treatment, that treatment would have been unavailable to her. And we would have been denied the forty years of community service she put in when she was on her feet.

He could have killed her. It was that close.

How many people DIDN'T make it because of this POS? :nuke:

[bobbolink]

117. "How many people didn't make it?"

That's exactly it!

I waited, homeless, for a year and a quarter, because there were NO LOW-INCOME APTS AVAILABLE! How many others didn't make it?

I was 4 MONTHS WITHOUT ANY INCOME AT ALL BECAUSE SOCIAL SECURITY WAS CUT DUE TO THE "BUDGET REDUCTION ACT". How many people were caught in the same thing, and didn't make it????

This list could go on and on! Many aren't "making it", and we don't know about it, because it isn't sexy enough.

I'm so relieved and pleased that your mom did, indeed, Make It! She has clearly contributed much.

What have we missed because of those who DIDN'T MAKE IT?!

[Richard Steele]

95. TRANSLATION: "We learned from my advisors that people liked Reagan much more than they like me...

...so I shall therefore name-drop in a transparent attempt to grab some of his popularity".

[EFerrari]

99. HOW did we allow RAYGUNS to displace FDR as an icon?

He was the anti-FDR.

We're in Bizarro World. It's like one of those Star Trek episodes where everything is opposite and parallel. I want to get drunk with the boys in the engine room! :shrug:

[Blue_In_AK]

98. Besides which, a large component of the demise

of the Soviet Union was their getting bogged down in Afghanistan, not unlike the US. St. Ronnie is given far too much credit for ending the Cold War.

[EFerrari]

100. He walked in on cue. He should get next to no credit at all.

The man was a bit actor, for Gawd's sake. Although that makes him more qualified than the amateur we have today.

Do you think Junior could sell Boraxo? I wouldn't buy soap from that loser. :rofl:

[WinkyDink]

105. We've achieved peace? Oh, wait; the Clinton years.

[Hubert Flottz]

107. That's not what Jesus told us.

"Bomb Thy Neighbor!" don't ring a bell...

[uppityperson]

114. Lie like hell, act convincing, kill all who dissent. War is Peace.

Thanks Raygun and bushites

[candidate]

116. Most of today's problems can be traced back to Reagan

Iran, Iraq, Hussein, the socialist revolution in Latin America, Al Qaeda, bin Laden...

Reagan nearly single-handedly armed the majority of America's current enemies, and yet the republican portrays him as some kind of hero.

When you ask a republican what Reagan accomplished (aside from supporting terrorists in South America and the Middle East) the only thing they will say is that he ended the Cold War, even they know damn well it was Gorbachev who ended it with his democratic reforms in Moscow.