OK, Fred ThomBush is in: Will AL GORE follow and declare candidacy?

[tom_paine]

I know a substantial amount of DUers, and probably a significant minority, if not a majority, of Americans, are pinning a lot of hopes on a "4th Quarter Miracle Comeback" started by Al declaring his unifying candidacy.

At the year's beginning, I said that I would continue to hope until September was over.

Well, September is here and nary a peep. If Al is building a coalition, he sure is doing so quietly.

I have no doubt Thompson is a Bushie creation, and I daresay it isn't to early to see that he has a clear path to the Imperial Nomination, if Rove and others working behind the scenes can whip everyone into shape...and they are good at that.

He is gonna be tough to beat, once the Mighty Wurlitzer starts playing it's Pied Piper of Nonsense and Distraction to the MSM, who as always will dutifully play their part and follow along.

AL GORE: AMERICA NEEDS YOU NOW!

What say you, DU?

[daninthemoon]

1. Al had enough of it. My personal conspiracy theory is he was

threatened with his or his family's lives last time. That is why he conceded an election he won. Regardless, he had enough.

[evlbstrd]

12. He took it to the Supreme Fucking Court.

That is not a consession.

[Mabus]

15. Talk about an alternate universe

The 2000 election was decided by the Supreme Court. Or is there some other election that you're talking about?

[daninthemoon]

33. Geez. I said conspiracy "theory", not "actuality". Yes it went to the

supreme court, but the recount still wasn't finished. I don't know what else he (or Kerry for that matter) could have done to combat the shenanigans that went on, but I DO wish both had done something more. What, I don't know. Given the obsene things this admin has done, I gotta think Al also wishes he had done something more back then.

[Mabus]

34. What could he have done?

Name one thing. Should he have taken the case to the same media that repeated the RW lies that Gore was a sore loser and he should pack it in because, as their shills kept saying, "the votes have been counted and recounted"? Should he have taken the case to the streets and asked the people for an armed overthrow of our government? Should he have denounced SCOTUS and have been branded a crazy man by the media? Should he have attacked the DNC (and Terry McAuliffe) for not doing all that it could at a time when our party was at its ebb? Tell me one thing he could have done other than what he did: he did what was best for our country.

[daninthemoon]

35. Bottom line is he no longer wants the job, and who can blame him?

[Mabus]

36. And so your real motivation for posting finally comes out

I just love it when people jump on threads to discourage other Dems. :rofl:

On edit: And thanks for repeating those RW talking points. Posts about real Democrats wouldn't be complete with them.

[daninthemoon]

37. My real motivation? my first statement : "Al's had enough"

I just love du'ers who just have to try to be as nasty to others as the rethugs are. You can have the last word now, since I know you will anyway. Peace.

[RestoreGore]

40. Some here know nothing else, but they are so quick to paint others that way to suit their own agenda

Hypocrisy at its best.

Oh, and on edit I wanted to add that as far as 2000 goes, I do not see it as a concession...I see it more as a "withdrawal" as he had come to the end of the legal road so to speak. And I am sure he wishes more could have been done... I think that is where we should have come in, but we didn't and we then as a people are responsible for what we are now reaping because of it. So I am happy for him that he has now come to terms with it, is at peace with it, and has come back stronger than ever as a great statesman that will be remembered for the work he is doing for our world and speaking out as both a public servant (hate the term politician) and an environmental advocate. And he still has the best years ahead of him far as I am concerned regardless of how he chooses to spend them.

[Raejeanowl]

20. Partially Agree

Not the personal threat part, but that Gore conceded when it became unavoidably obvious how powerfully the fix was in, and what it would take to demand exposure and investigation of all the questionable twists in the process.

More people, more money, more power, more leverage against others in a position to diddle with the results, were behind getting this half-baked Mr. Potato Head into office. And our rightful President knew it and respectfully took his marbles home.

[tom_paine]

21. If what you say is true: YOU DON'T TAKE YOUR MARBLES AND GO HOME WHEN FIGHTING NAZIS

OR BUSHIES, FOR THAT MATTER.

Not that there are not times when that is the right course of action. But when you are eye-to-eye with New Hitler and New Himmler, is NOT the time.

[Raejeanowl]

26. I Didn't Say I Thought It Was Right

I don't want to believe the man a moral coward. But if you mean that it couldn't have been resigned pragmatism, because only the deeply personal threat would have had such a chilling effect, I take your point.

[rosesaylavee]

25. Gore has said a few times in the past few years

that his choice was either to start a revolution or step aside for the good of the nation. Being the patriot that he is, he chose to step aside.

[Raejeanowl]

29. Thanks

I've probably heard that and forgotten. Now I want to convince him to combine the two and start a revolution for the good of the nation!

[tbyg52]

30. And nobody knew at the time just how bad BushCo was going to be. nt

[pscot]

2. Keep hope alive

n/t

[LeftCoast]

3. Just curious. I thought the term pResident was reserved for *

Typo?

[tom_paine]

4. I believe that, if Al doesn't run, and neither Edwards nor Kucinich win...

...that the modern American System of Checks and Balances may be finished.

I think we are that close. A Supreme "Court" "Justice" or two, which Fred ThomBush will be ready to provide, and another four or eight years for Bushification to sink in and turn to stone...or perhaps just one more "terrorist" attack.

Many think right now, and I agree that it is a not-so-remote possibility (~20%), though not a probablity, that Cheney is getting ready for a September Product Rollout right now, a 9/11 #2 that will allow the Iran Nuking to begin amid a new tide of fear and rage...

[Captain Hilts]

5. No, the Bush team is supporting Romney. nt

[jzodda]

6. He is not running and won't run and does not even want to run

He's very happy in his new post political career. So you can forget it- It 100% won't happen you can do all the "draft" Al Gore posts and websites you like.

[tom_paine]

22. His happiness = the END of the Old American Republic

(I mean, it's probably over already, but a Gore victory MIGHT be among the handful of things which could help restore it)

And no, I am not exaggerating.

[stlsaxman]

27. How do you explain THIS quote...?

"I have enjoyed the luxury of being able to focus single-mindedly on (climate change)," says Gore, back on the patio at his Nashville home. "But I am under no illusions that any position has as much ability to influence change as the presidency does. If the President made climate change the organizing principle, the filter through which everything else had to flow, then that could really make a huge difference."

Gore is under no illusion.

[jzodda]

28. Forget it the quote means nothing

Hes just stating fact. It does not say anywhere there that HE is the one who wants to be President. Listen I am in a position to know-He is not running and will not run this cycle. He is enjoying a lot what he is doing right now.

[Subdivisions]

32. And in what postition would you be in order to know that

he categorically will not run?

That quote could just as well indicate a clue that he WILL run. He said if a president were to make climate change mitigation, which is his passion, the filter through which everything else is passed, they would make a real difference. Is not making a REAL DIFFERENCE Al Gore's core mission?

[rosesaylavee]

7. Surprised at the lack of response...

perhaps because it is Labor Day weekend.

I think he has been running his campaign already and will announce by mid October.

[Mabus]

11. I do think it is because it is Labor Day weekend

I know things around town are pretty slow.

[rosesaylavee]

24. I think so too...

[Mabus]

8. Gore won't follow. He'll lead

Gore announcing that he's running will be the second happiest moment of my life. The first was when I married my husband.

[IndyOp]

9. K&R... Keep Hope Alive! (n/t)

[Admiral Loinpresser]

10. Exactamundo!

We need the Goreacle. Now more than ever.

K&R

[RufusTFirefly]

13. All this talk is sounding alarmingly Messiah-like

Al Gore is just a man. And a flawed man at that.
Remember Lieberman? NAFTA?
A call for an even bigger defense budget than Bush supported?

Don't get me wrong: I am super impressed with the post-2000 Gore. And I have admired his forward-thinking stance on global warming ever since Earth in the Balance came out.

That said, I think he is man at peace with himself, someone who has found a way to make a real difference in the world without having to worry about being called "wooden" or being falsely accused of claiming credit for inventing the Internet. I don't think he relishes getting thrown into the cesspool that passes as modern Presidential politics.

Make no mistake: If he runs, I will almost certainly support him. It's the just thing to do. After all, he won in 2000 and yet never got to take his rightful place in the Oval Office. It would be a great moment to see him finally take the post that was stolen from him.

But I really don't think he's going to run, and I worry that waiting futilely for the Messiah will only harm the campaigns of those candidates who have actually chosen to run for President. After all, aren't we supposed to be the ones who come from the reality-based community?

[tom_paine]

23. Well, nothing short of a messiah would have stopped the Nazis in 1937

(which, coincidentally happens to be the year it is in Bushmerika RIGHT NOW)

so I see nothing inconsistent about praying for the same against the Bushies at the same stage of development the Nazis were in 1937.

But seriously, I am well aware that everything you say is true, RufusTFirefly, but that it doesn;t matter.

There were only a handful of people who could have made a difference speaking out against Hitler in 1937. They chose not to. Hitler won, at least temporarily, and darkness spread over the world.

It is "1937" in Amerika, 70 years later. Al Gore is one of only a handful of people who could made a difference speaking out against Bush in 2007. If he chooses not to, then Bush wins and Fred ThomBush, too, at least temporarily, and darkness will continue it's spread over the world.

[NastyDiaper]

14. Single Term Announcement to come.

I'm still clinging to the theory that he will announce with a statement that he seeks only a single term as both a nod to the late entry, and empowering his running mate.

[Prophet 451]

16. Don't think so

I hope I'm wrong, I'd like to see the guy run (especially as a Restoration Ticket with Kerry) but I really don't think he will. He's leaving it incredibly late, the media have pretty much handed the nod to Hillary already and he'd probably struggle to raise the money in such a short time.

[OneBlueSky]

17. fourth option: I don't know . . . but I'm praying for it . . . n/t

.

[kimpossible]

18. Amen

Me too.

[Pierzin]

19. I wish he would but hasn't declared so hope is about gone

for Gore this cycle. Many of the states have almost decided the real nominating process will be in February so that both nominations will be pretty much done by March. That leaves for one hell of a long campaign, if we will aready know the two parties tickets in spring, and the election isn't till November.

[Mabus]

31. Fred won't enter the race until later this week

and the pundits don't think it is too late for him because of the timing. Fred's problem is that he has been playing footsie with the press, pundits and pols for so long that they've "gotten over" him. The advantage that Gore has, even at this date, is that the press, pundits and pols haven't gotten over Gore yet. They're still wanting/looking/hoping for Gore to get in.

Besides, a good majority of the people who will either vote in their state's primaries or participate in their state's caucus aren't paying attention yet. Yes, most people have an idea who is running but they really haven't been paying attention yet. In fact, most people are hard pressed to name specifics of any candidate's platforms, even when the issue is one they care about.

If you want to be honest about the political landscape the only ones who benefit from an earlier start to the campaign season is the corporate media. They sell advertising, millions of dollars of it, to the candidates. Newspapers, radios, television and even the internet media outlets charge money. Candidates pay for web ads, they pay for print ads, they pay for radio spots and television ads. They buy billboards. Well, guess who held the first debates: the corporate media. CNN, MSNBC and Fox all jumped on board and started announcing debates before school let out in the spring. This forced candidates to start declaring and collecting money. Money they would use to 1) increase their name recognition and 2) get their ideas out.

Anyway, each state has rules for it primary/caucus. Each state has a deadline for candidates to be considered. Until that first deadline passes, I won't give up hope for a Gore candidacy.

[RestoreGore]

38. He's at peace with himself and making a difference in the world. I say leave the man alone already.

We had seven years to do the right thing, and what did we do? We are certainly not ones to then talk about anyone having a duty to anything.

[daninthemoon]

39. Amen.

[BlooInBloo]

41. Seems to me that the more Obama and Clinton are unwilling to lead...

... in the Senate against following dubya, the more inclined Gore should be.

Whether or not it actually works this way, I cannot say.

[Apollo11]

42. GORE - OBAMA 2008

THE LAST TEMPTATION OF AL GORE
By Eric Pooley
TIME Magazine -- May 17, 2007
Let's say you were dreaming up the perfect stealth candidate for 2008, a Democrat who could step into the presidential race when the party confronts its inevitable doubts about the front runners. You would want a candidate with the grass-roots appeal of Barack Obama -- someone with a message that transcends politics, someone who spoke out loud and clear and early against the war in Iraq. But you would also want a candidate with the operational toughness of Hillary Clinton -- someone with experience and credibility on the world stage.
In other words, you would want someone like Al Gore -- the improbably charismatic, Academy Award-winning, Nobel Prize-nominated environmental prophet with an army of followers and huge reserves of political and cultural capital at his command.
...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1622597,00.html

If you ask me - I think Gore-Obama would be the strongest ticket in 2008.


Let's all find ways to show our support for Al Gore! :patriot:

Sign the Live Earth Pledge: www.liveearthpledge.org

Then ask all your friends and family to sign it too! :-)

Visit Al's site www.algore.com and read his blog http://blog.algore.com

Sign the petitions at www.algore.org and www.draftgore.com

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