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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 07:37 PM
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Bush did NOT lie.. The war with Iraq was necessary.
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 07:46 PM by SoCalDem
Bush was always gonna be a one-termer. His polls were in the shitter by Sept '01. People seemed to be realizing that the "good-ole-boy" shtick was not going to override his ineptitude.

He saw his Poppy's grand plans for a "new world order" evaporate as he lost that second term, and I'm sure that in '01, junior was determined to make his FIRST term a doozy, so that even if he did not get a 2nd one, he would have "succeeded" where Poppy had failed.

Clinton's flush bank account was just too tempting to pass up, and he HAD to get his hands on it..and quickly. As the boomers started to actually retire in a few years, the money would start flowing OUT faster than it was flowing in.. but HOW to take it all and FAST..

Tax cuts as a payback to the "campaign-cash class" could only take so much, as could beefing up the military budget.

There also has to be some justification for beefing up the military in a post cold war world. Of course he had EVERY opportunity to "know" that there was a war coming.. He SHOULD have known it.. he PLANNED to have a war..and soon.

9-11-01 gave him all the "cover" he needed..and then some, but Afghanistan was still not BIG enough to empty out the treasury.. Iraq fit the bill.

The trick was to get boots on the ground QUICKLY. Once they were IN, it would be a snap to pilfer the treasury. The public remained scared and shocked enough to buy every "story" his minions told, and once the troops were there, it was easy-peasy to get ALL the cash, AND to run up the biggest debt ever.

A republican congress rubberstamped his every whim, and anyone who dared to question, was immediately labeled an al qaeda-sympathizer. The heist was ON.. Bigtime.

Once in, the polls started to rise, so all that was needed was that glorious second term, to seal the deal.

The war "stories" helped him "win" that second term, but the bloom was definitely off the rose as far as the winning of the war went, and now that congress is no longer in his pocket the war is no longer necessary, and he's lost his enthusiasm, he is a sulky, sore-loser , just as he always was. Once he loses interest, he bails..but the war is bigger than that now. He can't get out, and all the money is gone (safely tucked away in bank accounts all over the place, no doubt). It's obvious that he's lost focus and is just ticking off the days until he can go play again.

By forcing the democrats' hands he has now placed THEM in the "box". He created the fiasco, got them to go along at the beginning and now he's tossed the whole mess to them to clean up.. Vintage george.

George figured out that it's always better to NOT ask for permission..The answer might be
No!".

The war was "necessary"..but only to HIM..





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http://baltimorechronicle.com/trifecta_jun02.shtml

How Bush Hit the 'Trifecta' on 9/11--and the Public Lost Big-Time

It is sickening to contemplate an administration intentionally looking the other way while terrorists scheme so that whatever havoc they wreak can provide cover for the president to raid Social Security.

by Brad Carlton

See letters sent us in response to this OP-ED
Bush, in the weeks before September 11, pledged to honor the sanctity of the Social Security lock-box except in the event of recession, war, or a national emergency. But after "everything changed" on 9/11, he reportedly gloated to his budget director, Mitch Daniels, "Lucky me--I hit the trifecta!"

snip...

Whenever someone is suspected of a crime, investigators look for a motive in addition to actual proof of guilt to determine, a posteriori, whether there was malice aforethought. In cases of criminal negligence, motive must also be deduced, a priori, to answer the question: were preventive failures due to craftiness or mere cluelessness?

snip....


Think back to the days before 9/11. The topic on everyone's lips (Condit aside) was: what will happen when budget realities force Bush to raid Social Security? He had explicitly promised during his campaign to establish a contingency fund for severe emergencies that would keep Social Security untouched. But the economy was tanking and the costs of the tax cut made the raid inevitable. Even Daniels acknowledged that the government would be forced to tap Social Security to the tune of $14 billion to fund pending legislation. Strangely, Bush kept insisting, "We can work together to avoid dipping into Social Security." But, beginning August 24, he gave himself an escape clause: "I've said that the only reason we should use Social Security funds is in case of an economic recession or war." (Three days earlier he had said that there should be "special consideration" in the budget for these contingencies. Otherwise, this was completely new rhetoric.)

September 4: businessman and commentator Ben Cohen ran a mock "help wanted" ad reading, "Serious enemy needed to justify Pentagon budget increase. Defense contractors desperate." Same day: a CBS poll found that 66 percent of Americans did not think a recession (extant, but not yet confirmed) was reason enough to tap Social Security. September 6: Bush invented another exception. "The only time to use Social Security money is in times of war, times of recession, or times of severe emergency." September 11: he had all three. Lucky Bush.

snip...
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 08:04 PM
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1. K & R
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 08:10 PM
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2. K & R - this is the part of the story that will not be mentioned in the M$M
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 08:10 PM by 0rganism
because it's the answer to the objection, "but president bush would *never* lie us into a war, what good would it do him? why would he do such a thing?"
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 06:12 PM
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12. Why he would do it.. ? He's an egotistical, religious nut..
and because we wnated to show his Momma, that HE's a more powerful man than Poppy.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 08:16 PM
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3. May the truth be told
and this klan exposed.

There is one thing junior is extraordinarily skilled at and he was picked because of this trait:

His unsurpassed ability to look people in the face and lie.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 08:26 PM
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4. Bushler owns Iraq
Bet he's ready to sell now... who bought the Texas Rangers?

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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 08:46 PM
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5. Bush lost in 04. He would have lost w/o the Iraq War too...
and by about the same percentage (about 3% I think it was), in any case more than he lost in 2000.
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godless Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:29 PM
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6. Actually the Investigator's Mantra is MMO....
Means, Motive and Opportunity. The Neo-Cons were overflowing with all three by September 11th.

MOTIVE: As I stated previously 9-11 was the skeleton key to all of the dreams of Bush and the Cons. Hell, they not only stated they needed another Pearl Harbor in that stupid paper of theirs, none other than Wolfowitz actually went on record predicting another "surprise like Pearl Harbor" only months before the towers came tumbling down. Gee, surprise attack sure seemed to be on the minds of the Neo Conmen a lot prior to the Big Day, didn't it? And no wonder. Make it big enough and it would be Trifecta Day for sure!

MEANS: A no-brainer. The whole 9-11 scheme is way out of the league of Al Qaeda. The Al Qaeda M.O. is cheap operations that involve a small number of operatives pulling off a bomb attack in a few weeks or months. They work quick because they know that the longer it takes for them to pull off an attack the greater the risk that their little plot will be detected and thwarted. The 9-11 attacks were totally outside of anything they have ever perpetrated before or since. It took millions of dollars, spanned nations, and involved hundreds of people over the course of years. To state it bluntly, there is absolutely no way that the Terrorist Group could have ever pulled an operation of this magnitude off without the major involvement of at least one foreign power.

The likely suspects are all allys now. The Saudis, The Pakistanis, both country's Intelligence Services have been linked to the Al Qaeda operation. But then there's those the persistent rumors of CIA involvement with the proto-Al Qaeda Mujahadin. More importantly there's the Bush link with all of the above. Everywhere you look in the 9-11 caper a Bush seems to show up. What family has been intimately involved with American Intelligence for generations now? The Bush family. Who was in charge of security operations for the World Trade Center at the time of the attacks? Youngest brother Melvin, that's who.

Scapegoat Osama is the disowned son of longtime Bush business partner, Daddy Bin Laden. In point of fact it was Daddy Laden that put Dummyew in charge of the first oil company that he managed to run into the ground. This fact is very very curious. Try to imagine this: you work for a sucessful company for a number of years and then accept another position with a different firm. You work there for a few years and then, one day, out of the blue, the son of your former boss shows up at your company and starts blowing people away! I ask you now what are the odds of that happening? What are the odds that all the mayhem isn't somehow associated to you and your former boss? What are the odds that, out of all the businesses he could have chosen to wreak havoc on, he chose the very one you now worked at?

Now consider the fact that this decidedly odd "coincidence" has happened not once, but twice to the Bush family in the recent past! How many of you know that President Reagan's would-be assassin, John Hinkley, is the son of a Bush business partner and supporter, just like Osama? Had his attempt to kill the President been successful then Poppy would not have had to actually run for the presidency. He would have simply assumed the role. Hmmmm. I believe in coincidence but not where this family is concerned. I find this "repeat performance" totally creepy beyond words. It simply cannot be a coincidence! Something very very fucked up is going on here.

And lastly OPPORTUNITY: They had the loathsome Shrub in office thru a stolen election and all the most prominent Neo-Conmen holding cabinent posts. The Legislative Branch was occupied by willing Repederast stooges who wouldn't take a shit unless told to do so. It was Thunderbirds GO! There was no better time for them to make their Pearl Harbor happen and then cover up their involvement in an avalanche of government bullshit.

MMO, gentlemen. MMO. Who ranks higher on the MMO scale? Al Qaeda or the Neo-Cons? Do you really think that some nobody could be trained to fly a huge passenger jet with enough precision to hit the side of the Pentagon on his very first try? In just a few months in a simulator??? MMO! MMO! Wake the fuck up!
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:05 PM
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7. ...and they are still in there
What will it take to get this vermin removed from our house?
Lies, criminal acts, and a complete disregard for the laws of our country - but yet they continue untouched.
They have a year and 3/4 left - plenty of time for more havoc and there is no end in sight.
Libby's trial? Don't get your hopes up again. Libby will probably go down (and be pardoned), Fitz willl stand up and tell us that there was no other agenda. Case closed.
More havoc to follow...
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 05:22 PM
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10. We CAN'T give up!
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 05:23 PM by Independent_Liberal
For God's sake! What should we do? Sit back and let them shred our civil liberties, nuke Iran, etc.? Why does DU choose to surrender and not fight?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 06:03 PM
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11. We just keep pushing back..and trying to keep the media doing the same
That's the one thing we can all do.:)
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:11 PM
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8. trifecta
This comment was not "reportedly" - it was a standard of his stump speech to Republicans for a few weeks in 2002, and he delivered variations of it on eight or nine occasions.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:10 AM
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9. And yet whenever anyone in the press mention(s)(ed) it, it's immediately
poo-poohed as a "joke" or the person mentioning it is a 'conspiracy-nut"..:grr:
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 07:08 PM
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13. And Iran is Next.
Unless we stop them.
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