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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:41 PM
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I got exactly through p.2 of Brothers and started bawling like a baby.
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 05:56 PM by sfexpat2000
Has anyone done better than that?

I remember them both -- even though I was just a little girl.

That's where all this started. When we let them get murdered and did little or nothing to reconcile that terrible loss.



I have no doubt we can get on our feet again. But, imho, we will never be grounded until we come to terms with those losses.

What kind of leadership can we expect if our leaders are assassinated without penalty? There's that big fat issue.


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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:45 PM
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1. The Cuban Missle Crisis happened on my fifth Birthday...
And I remember Bobby getting shot during the last week of school when I was in fifth grade...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:00 PM
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7. We're about the same age. My mom took us bowling the night
she thought we were all going to die. Why not die on your feet?

We went to the Westlake Bowl and played until the adults were too tired to be scared any more.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:03 AM
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27. We were eating cake and all of a sudden every adult was watching
JFK on the TV...

My dad took us all for a ride to where the NIKE sights were...

They actually had missles planted around in suburban areas to try and shoot down bombers...
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:07 PM
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25. I was only four and I don't really remember it. My parents must have
worked pretty hard to keep the information away from us. But we were in Texas, so I suspect that they weren't as worried as many others closer to Cuba.

I remember when JFK was killed. I remember the Saturday with Bobby was shot. I remember when MLK was murdered.

Ugh.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:02 AM
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26. Y ea all of that....
What I remember most about JFK's assasination was the drum beat and the riderless horse...

Somehow that effected me...

That and the fact I went to Catholic School at the time...
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:46 PM
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2. I fear for the Dems, especially Obama and Hillary
Obama, Hillary, John Edwards (who has taken some very progressive positions) and the rest. Any progressive, no matter the degree, is going to be fair game in the 40th anniversary year of 1968, when so much hope was crushed.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:46 PM
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3. K&R - they were the "warning shots across our bow" from the neocons...
...and we still believed in the "rule of law" and the ideal that "America" could do no wrong.:(

If only we were citizens of a benevolent republic, instead of denizens of a rogue nation...:cry:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:03 PM
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9. When they killed John Kennedy, these felons figured out a way
to game the system. When they killed Bobby, it was icing on their cake because they took out the one person in the position to truly expose them.



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:50 AM
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29. We were taught to believe in the rule of law.
Maybe that is our national Big Lie.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:50 PM
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4. More pix










Thank you, Bobby.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:55 PM
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5. My favorite one
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:58 PM
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6. Yeah I had the same feeling.
The part about Bobby feeling guilty for having let Jack die really got me in the gut. :cry:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:01 PM
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8. Because he was man enough to do it. To take on what the rest of
our leaders wouldn't. He was a piece of work.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:04 PM
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10. Absolutely. They couldn't buy him
so they killed him. And then Nixon got back in the WH.
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:44 PM
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17. And that's what scares me about Edwards
they can't buy him either so they will find a way to get rid of him....he had a close call the last time with a plane.
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AnotherGreenWorld Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 07:11 PM
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21. I don't know...Threatening to shave his head might be an effective form of blackmail on JE...
Realistically, nothing will happen to JE. He'll lose this race, and then go back to living in his 20,000 sq. ft. mansion. Maybe he'll emerge from time to time and self-righteously tell other people they need to be sacrificing more. But that's probably about it.

And, of course, in the unlikely event he does get elected, he'll likely be the same John Edwards we saw in the Senate. So he's safe.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:06 PM
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11. While I will always remember
November 22nd is one of my sister's birthdays. June 4-5 is my dead sister' and husband's birthday. So it will always come to mind.

I still believe in my heart of heart that the republicans were at the bottom of it. The had a piece on History Channel not too long ago where they explained every single piece of evidence. And it said that while Sarhan wanted to kill Bobby Kennedy the shot couldn't have come from him and it was from a different gun. They have the evidence.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:09 PM
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13. The ballistics of neither murder add up.
My mother was nursing a new baby and had to stop on Nov. 23 because her milk dried up.

As for Bobby's murder, the rationale never made sense. It was a sham from Day 1.

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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:07 PM
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12. Pronoun Problem
Excuse me - But "WE" didn't let them get murdered - I was 6 when JFK was gunned down.

I also do not take responsibility for anything this idiot chimp of a cowboy has done since he stole the first election.

I refuse.

Otherwise - I agree.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:10 PM
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14. Okay. You are right. Good point. n/t
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:15 PM
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15. We let them kill JFK jr. eight years ago
and nobody said peep. Yeah I know, :tinfoilhat:, but there's evidence suggesting that the sky was clear and he was a good pilot.

Exactly what we should do, I'm not sure, but it helps to be aware that they've been whacking their "enemies" since 11/22/63 and probably before.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:39 PM
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16. Wellstone too. n/t
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:45 PM
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18. And Wellstone can be added to that list. He, too was a great man.
Martin Luther King, Jack, Bobby, and Paul. All great men, killed by the fascists who are finally having their day in the sun.

May those fascists, every one of them, rot in hell.

:kick:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:53 PM
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19. Yeah it's a long list.
I suspect a VERY long list, once you add in the freak car crashes (David Halberstam), sudden cardiac arrests (Arthur Schlesingser Jr.), maybe even a few cancers (Jackie) but I realize this is rather speculative. And Teddy's had more than his share of near-fatal car and plane crashes.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 07:00 PM
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20. Yep, Teddy was supposed to be in Wellstone's plane.
They were hoping for a two-fer.

:kick:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:51 PM
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24. Please tell me you're kidding.
I didn't know that. Good grief the man is unkillable!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 07:32 PM
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22. So sad, and just the other day G. Gordon Liddy was trashing..
the Kennedys. He was comparing the cronyism of Bush/Gonzo with the Kennedy brothers. It never ends.

I met Ethel one time, she's a very gracious and down to earth lady, very interesting to listen to as you might imagine.
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:28 PM
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23. I'm about halfway through it
I stopped reading it for a while. I lived through that time, even once met Bobby at his senate office, but the book told me more than I had known about what was going on behind the scenes and it makes the nostalgia even more poignant. Imagine if they had managed to develop relations with Cuba!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:05 AM
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28. kick
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 05:03 AM
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30. It hurt! It sucked. I cried.
Move on!!!

:(
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