Meanwhile over at Jim Robinson's FreeRepublic.....

[Aviation Pro]

...they are in major meltdown over the number of contractor deaths in Iraq. Stupid people will always remain blissfully clueless.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1888478/posts


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Contractor Deaths Push Total U.S. Toll in Iraq Near 5,000(100K private contractor force)
newsmax.com ^ | August 27, 2007 | Rod Proctor


Posted on 08/29/2007 2:17:48 PM PDT by kellynla


The death toll of Americans killed in Iraq is much higher than commonly reported and may now exceed 5,000, based on Pentagon and U.S. Labor Department reports.

That's because official Pentagon statistics do not count the deaths of private contractors, who are playing a much bigger role in Iraq than in most previous wars.

Based on workers' compensation claims filed with the U.S. Labor Department, 1,001 contract employees had died in Iraq as of June.

Adding contractor deaths to the Pentagon's statistics gives a more realistic assessment of the war’s total impact.

As of late August, for example, the Pentagon was reporting that 3,047 soldiers had lost their lives in combat, with another 681 lives lost from noncombat incidents related to the war. In total, 3,728 U.S. soldiers have died since the Iraq war began in March 2003.

Adding in the 1,001 contractor deaths pushes the number of lives lost much higher – to 4,729.

Lawmakers and experts tell NewsMax there have probably been many more than 1,001 contractor deaths in Iraq, however, because many workers' families probably don't realize that they can file the claims.

This summer, according to the Houston Chronicle, Labor Department official Miranda Chiu wrote to U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill.: "The data show the number of cases reported to the department, not the number of injuries or deaths which occurred."

And subcontractors who aren't paid in U.S. dollars – most of the employees working in Iraq are not U.S. citizens – are naturally ineligible to file a workers' comp claim.

"Clearly, many of the subcontractors have not filed claims," Deborah Avant, an author and professor of international studies at the University of California, Irvine, tells NewsMax.


(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: civiliancontractors; contractors; deathtoll; iraq; kia; war
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Top Five Contractors in Iraq
Kulak Construction Co. Based in Turkey. Construction workers for U.S. bases. Employs 30,301

KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown and Root, a Halliburton subsidiary) Based in Houston. Logistics support. Employs 15,336

Prime Projects International Based in Dubai. Labor for Logistics support. Employs 10,560

L-3 Communications Based in New York. Translation services. Employs 5,866

Gulf Catering Co. Based in Saudi Arabia. Food services. Employs 4,002

Source: U.S. Central Command and the Los Angeles Times


1 posted on 08/29/2007 2:17:52 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
Let’s see, we are in a war the Democraps don’t want to fight, we freed 25 million people, the MSM wants us to lose, and in 4 yrs we have lost 5K people ( I do feel bad about the number), but all in all , pretty successful.

Meadow Muffin



2 posted on 08/29/2007 2:20:45 PM PDT by rwgal
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To: rwgal
Yeah ... and if we use their math and reasoning .... we've killed about 90 or 100 thousand of the raghead bastards.
So their point is .............. ?


3 posted on 08/29/2007 2:37:23 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: kellynla
Where abouts are Aegis Security Services in your list?



4 posted on 08/29/2007 2:41:20 PM PDT by Rikstir (apologies...)
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To: kellynla
So what? A completely irrelevant piece of data.

5 posted on 08/29/2007 2:41:28 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Donate to Vets For Freedom! http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: MNJohnnie
“So what? A completely irrelevant piece of data?”

The families of those who paid the ultimate price and those of us who have fought for our country would disagree with you.

But then, since you NEVER took up arms and fought for your country in combat, you wouldn’t appreciate their sacrifice now would you.

Your inane comment really doesn’t warrant any further response than my tagline.



6 posted on 08/29/2007 2:48:54 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Rikstir
“Where abouts are Aegis Security Services in your list?”

not “my list”
if you had read the article you would see that it is the list published.

gezzzzzzzzzzzzzz...



7 posted on 08/29/2007 2:51:21 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla; MNJohnnie
kellynla.......tone it down a tad. I won’t pretend to speak for MNJohnnie, but I don’t think his intent was to be cavalier about ANYone’s deaths. I think his point was the MSM is digging all they can to find reasons to undermine support for the troops’ efforts there and to bolster the “cut and run” liberal mentality by trotting out any and all such statistics.

We all know very well that NO one is a ‘statistic’; they have families, friends, loved ones, and each and every one (in uniform and civilian) is precious in God’s sight......and in ours.

I say this, by the way, as a veteran and the father of a Captain currently serving in Iraq with the US Army.



8 posted on 08/29/2007 2:54:44 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: kellynla
I guess that since the number of US Servicemen who are dying in Iraq is in a steady decline, the MSM is forced to include the deaths of contractors to help pump up the casualty numbers.

9 posted on 08/29/2007 2:55:09 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
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To: RightOnline
“won’t pretend to speak for MNJohnnie”

then don’t

“kellynla.......tone it down a tad.”

and for the record, I quit taking orders 30 years ago.
I trust you were taught not to stick your nose in other peoples’ affairs and I suggest you do so.

Good day!



10 posted on 08/29/2007 3:02:38 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Wrong on both counts. So shut your stupid mouth and think for once instead of acting like a emotionally hysteric Leftist jerk off.
Anyone who wants to use the bodies of dead Americans to push their political propaganda is pure gutter slime without even the least bit honor or deceny.

I am appalled and sickened that people like YOU, who should know better, are pushing this sort of propaganda garbage.

These people volunteered for a dangerous job knowing full well they might die in the doing. The were not ordered into a combat zone, they went willingly.


To now sit here and posture and beat your breast over their sacrifice to validate your ignorant Do Nothing political dogmas is not only moronic, it is an insult to the sacrifices they have made for our country.


11 posted on 08/29/2007 3:04:03 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Donate to Vets For Freedom! http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: kellynla
Oh God... take a chill pill.

Of course every individual death is devastating to the families involved but in the over-all scheme of things irrelevent in this context.



12 posted on 08/29/2007 3:08:35 PM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: kellynla
Photo typical of Pro-Caliphate demostrations held in Britian, Indonesia, Judea




Free Version:

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm



Source


The Army Of Black Flags
The Mahdi’s ascendancy to power is said to be preceded by an army from the east who will be carrying black flags or banners of war. Sheikh Kabbani states:

Hadith indicate that black flags coming from the area of Khorasan will signify the appearance of the Mahdi is nigh. Khorasan is in todays Iran, and some scholars have said that this hadith means when the black flags appear from Central Asia, i.e. in the direction of Khorasan, then the appearance of the Mahdi is imminent. 17

Another tradition states that:

The Messenger of Allah said: The black banners will come from the East and their hearts will be as firm as iron. Whoever hears of them should join them and give allegiance, even if it means crawling across snow. 18

In Islam there are two flags. One is white and one is black. Written across both flags in Arabic are the words, “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger”. The white flag is called Al-Liwaa and serves as the sign for the leader of the Muslim army and is the flag of the Islamic State. The black flag is called Ar-Raya and is used by the Muslim army. It is also called the flag of jihad, and is carried into battle. One flag is governmental and the other is a military flag. 19 When Muhammad returned to his home city of Mecca after being exiled for eight years, he returned as a conqueror. With him were ten thousand Muslim soldiers. They carried with them black flags. On the flags was one word written in Arabic: punishment. 20

I was once talking to a group of young Muslim men and asking them some questions. I asked them if the obvious superior militaries of America and Israel compared to the militaries of any Islamic nations were a source of difficulty for many Muslims. One of these men then became very angry at my question and snapped out, “You Americans and Zionists better get ready, because the black flags are coming!” At the time, I had no idea what he was talking about. Later I learned the meaning.




13 posted on 08/29/2007 3:10:19 PM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Cowboy Bob
I think EVERYONE who has paid the ultimate price should be remembered. And that is why I posted the article.
And I am appreciative of NEWSMAX(which I wouldn't consider part of the MSM or LSM by any stretch of the imagination) for this article and information. Good day!


14 posted on 08/29/2007 3:11:13 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
easy pal, i realise it aint your list, but you ‘published’ it, per se.

I was kind of wondering if they were amalgamated into the DoD structure is all.



15 posted on 08/29/2007 3:14:03 PM PDT by Rikstir (apologies...)
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To: rwgal
"and in 4 yrs we have lost 5K people"
To add a little contex to that - during the same period of time over 8,000 people were murdered in the State of California.


16 posted on 08/29/2007 3:16:23 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: pacelvi
i think maybe you portray a misleading picture of the UK. Sure we have radicals, we have extremists, but I think some abroad might think we run a similar kind of country to Indonesia et al. Indonesia will have massive support for the Ummah, asits Muslim. The UK, however, is 71% Christian, and only 2% Muslim.

Can I assure anyone wanting to visit the UK that you’re safe from rampaging Islamic crazies.



17 posted on 08/29/2007 3:19:01 PM PDT by Rikstir (apologies...)
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To: Rikstir
I DID NOT PUBLISH IT

I POSTED IT

gezzzzzzzzzzzzz it must be dumb day on FR

and for the record, I am not your “pal”



18 posted on 08/29/2007 3:19:22 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: MNJohnnie
“stupid mouth?”
you must by looking in the mirror, misssy



19 posted on 08/29/2007 3:21:43 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
‘Publish’...note the ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘............

come on “this is a clause”.....

Whats your problem, pal, or mate, if you prefer?

“gezzzzzzzzzzzzz it must be dumb day on FR”

Only because you graced us with your presence, pal. I will assume you just woke up on the wrong side of bed, or stood on a nail, or just got caught speeding, or lost your dog,or ran over your cat, or blew up the PS3, or bought a Cadillac. ..



20 posted on 08/29/2007 3:24:30 PM PDT by Rikstir (apologies...)
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To: kellynla
The vast majority of these contractors are not amcits.



21 posted on 08/29/2007 3:26:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: MNJohnnie
“These people volunteered for a dangerous job”

and who in Iraq didn’t volunteer for service?

run along junior and flame bait some other thread



22 posted on 08/29/2007 3:27:45 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Rikstir
“Can I assure anyone wanting to visit the UK that you’re safe from rampaging Islamic crazies”

Just avoid the airports and subway

/s :)



23 posted on 08/29/2007 3:30:06 PM PDT by pacelvi (In general, Democrats are the only real reason to vote for Republicans. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: rwgal
By any standard of measure militarily, Iraq and Afganistan have been spectacular successes, considering what has been accomplished juxtaposed against what has been expended.



24 posted on 08/29/2007 3:32:26 PM PDT by rottndog (Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: pacelvi
well the airports are overcrowded and the subway stinks...



25 posted on 08/29/2007 3:36:31 PM PDT by Rikstir (apologies...)
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[Beaverhausen]

1. Boy they are bad at math

"...and in 4 yrs we have lost 5K people"
To add a little contex to that - during the same period of time over 8,000 people were murdered in the State of California."

So, there are 20 million people in California and 150,000 US troops in Iraq but he wants to compare the number of deaths? OK. :eyes:

the deaths of others means nothing to these cowards.

[The_Casual_Observer]

11. As long as it isn't somebody that shithead knows or cares about, then it's

OK with him if they get snuffed for nothing. Compassionate conservatives my ass.

[Mz Pip]

2. 8000 people murdered in CA?

Where the fuck did they pick up that stat?

Mz Pip
:dem:

[NoPasaran]

8. Those numbers are actually a bit low

2003 2,407 murders
2004 2,392 murders
2005 2,503 murders

But that's on a population of 13 million people, yielding a little less than 7 murders per 100,000

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm

[poverlay]

16. I'm sitting here scratching my head over comparing California's murder stats with the

number of occupying forces killed by insurgents in Iraq.

If we take the number of civilians murdered in Iraq in those years, 655,000(Lancet study), and add the 5,000 Americans we get a more accurately comparable number of 660,000.

Which yields a horrible number of 14,000 murders per 100,000.

If you don't accept the Lancet study and wish to go with the weaker methodology of the Iraq Body Count website, the number is closer to 10% of the Lancet study. Somewhere around 1400 murders per 100,000. HORRIBLE either way~

If my math doesn't add up, please correct me. Anyone?

I would like to echo the below post identifying the freepers as "ultra-maroons". It is more accurate than their entire thread.

[Aviation Pro]

3. Kellynla....

...is a real hoot. What an ultra-maroon.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. I kinda' liked the way he called out the chickenhawks

in his first response.

[jimshoes]

4. Wonder if they'll feel the same way

if that same private army is used to enforce martial law if it should be enacted here at home.

[onethatcares]

5. wtf, you get workmans comp for dying?

when did that start? And how the hell are they dying for our country in this pre emptive invasion and occupation? The reasoning escapes me.

[coco77]

9. Plus the fact that...

they get paid more than the troops. These people don't want to hear the truth. Why aren't they in Iraq...

[KatyaR]

6. Jeez--they really are a bunch of snot-nosed brats, aren't they?

I can't believe they go after each other like that, but I guess it's sport for a lot of them.

[Beausoir]

7. "Raghead bastards". Charming.

[malaise]

10. Frightening indeed

:puke:

[muntrv]

12. Freepers, shut up and enlist!

[jgraz]

13. Another tour of human garbage

What the hell is wrong with our society that we produce even one POS like the posters on freeptown? :banghead:

[zbdent]

14. Meadow Muffin really lives up to the moniker

if "Meadow Muffin" means cow turd, like I suspect ... but that's BEING NICE ...

[bbernardini]

Wait, wait, wait...NewsMax is now a part of the MSM?

"I think his point was the MSM is digging all they can to find reasons to undermine support for the troops’ efforts there and to bolster the “cut and run” liberal mentality by trotting out any and all such statistics."

You know they've totally lost their minds when they consider NewsMax a member of the mainstream media.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Since when is NEWSMAX part of the so called

liberal media establishment?

THAT alone speaks volumes

[upi402]

18. "Anyone who wants to use the bodies of dead Americans to push their political

"Anyone who wants to use the bodies of dead Americans to push their political propaganda is pure gutter slime without even the least bit honor or deceny."

Does a certain party come to mind??
(hint) starts with 'R'

[Canuckistanian]

19. Such SCINTILLATING repartee

I feel as if I'm at the Algonquin Round Table....

[Patsy Stone]

20. Shit

Raghead Bastards was going to be the name of my new band.

Oh, well.

And this piece of brilliance from Cowboy Bob:

"I guess that since the number of US Servicemen who are dying in Iraq is in a steady decline, the MSM is forced to include the deaths of contractors to help pump up the casualty numbers."

Yes, that's the problem: not enough deaths for us liberals.