If Craig isn't gay, HOW did he know about the foot tap?

[napi21]

I thought this was a very interesting question a caller had on the John Elliott show tonight. I must admit, I never heard of that before, and when I told my husband about it, he hadn't heard of it either. So how did Larry know about it?

[Trajan]

1. The damage is already done .....

He can deny all he wants: people believe where there is smoke there is fire .... It's a done deal ...

Pleading guilty nails that door shut ....

[Gregorian]

2. Experience.

He's been doing this a long time.

[Heidi]

3. Years of tap lessons?

:shrug:

[man4allcats]

4. Easy. He read about it on a gay website.

Oh, but wait. What was he doing on a gay website? Never mind.

[datadiva]

5. I thought it was interesting that he said he is conferring with his lawyer

What can he do now that he already pled guilty? Was he sentenced? Is he on probation? What was the penalty? So many questions! Maybe he just couldn't resist. You have to admit the cop was pretty cute.

[krispos42]

6. He's not gay, he's bisexual

And he segments his life accordingly.

Or he did, until that cute Scandinavian police officer caught him!

[pnwmom]

8. You don't know that.

He's married, but so are many gay men. He has children, but so do many gay men -- with women. (And his happen to be adopted.)

Many gay men are able to "perform" with women when they are young and testosterone-charged. (That doesn't make them bi.) As they get older, it becomes less possible. Their orientation becomes more clear.

I bet he's gay. Because if he were truly bi, then he could find some satisfaction with his wife. Getting more sex would be less worth the terrible risk. But if he's gay, this may be the only way he feels he can express it.

But obviously neither of us can know for sure.

[krispos42]

11. So, he was a very repressed gay?

And I didn't know his kids were adopted.

He just seemed to be so busy with EVERYBODY, it seems he was 'secretly' bisexual, with a straight world and a gay world he could pass through at will.

[pnwmom]

14. That is my bet. He was engaged within months of when he was

first accused of sex with Senate pages, sometime in the 80's. After he married, he adopted his wife's three children.

[soothsayer]

21. kids came with his wife. godnoze if he's ever consumated his marriage (poor thing)

[cboy4]

12. If I were to guess, I would also say he's bisexual.

I would be surprised if any of my straight male friends would be interested in getting a BJ from a cute young guy in the stall at a busy major international airport bathroom.

[pnwmom]

15. No, but if you had any closeted gay friends,

they might be happy to.

Through my dad, and through connections I've made since then, I've heard of so many gay men -- gay, not bi -- who were married to women. Having a wife means nothing. Having children means nothing. It all depends on how strong your orientation is. If you're gay, and not bi, you may be able to "perform" with a woman -- but that is very unlikely to ever be enough. And the older you get, the harder it is to deny.

[cboy4]

16. I don't disagree with what you say. In fact it helps makes my point

that I don't believe Craig is a straight male.

Because the straight males I know (I'm not talking closeted gay friends), but the straight males, I can't imagine they would participate in that behavior in a public restroom at Minneapolis Int'l Airport.

[pnwmom]

25. Okay, I misunderstood you.

We agree that he was bi or gay. I just happen to think, based on my experience, it's likely he's actually gay. In either case, he's a very conflicted, unhappy person, and I can't feel gleeful about his situation.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. in my opinion he is neither, both are labels to identify oneself. as far as we know his chosen label

is straight.

he is just a man who has sex with men. which imo is different from being gay.

[jean]

7. Stephanie Miller guessed it was "gay morse code" (she was joking)

[Bluebear]

9. Easy, he's been doing this since the 1950's, when people actually did that.

I suppose when you are gay and growing up without an internet in West Cow, Idaho, there aren't any places to meet gay men.


That's how I think he knew about this quaint ritual which by now people think all gay men partake in. (We don't.)

[cboy4]

13. Right Bluebear, we all don't. n/t

[cboy4]

10. You can easily find cruising guides on the internets. I believe

he is not a beginner, considering he's accused of doing something similar in Washington.


A 40-year-old professional man with close ties to Republican officials told the Idaho Statesman he had oral sex with Sen. Larry Craig at Washington's Union Station, probably in 2004.

Here is what the man told the Statesman, with some of the details of the men's room encounter edited out:

"Upon walking into Union Station one day, I made eye contact with a well-dressed older gentleman whom I recognized as Sen. Craig. We, after having made eye contact for 30 seconds or so, we began walking towards one of the restrooms in Union Station.

"I followed him in there. We went to the urinals, where we both unzipped ...

"The restroom became busy, too busy to do anything. So we zipped up and then followed each other to the second restroom in Union Station, where we began the same process. And had a -- I also performed fellatio for a very, very short amount of time, as that restroom became busy as well. At that point we both zipped up and left and went on our separate ways.

MORE: http://www.idahostatesman.com/1264/story/144047.html

[IndianaJones]

27. pro-cruising

and pro-steroids? Wow.

Go and post in my top 3 qb's thread in sports.

[deacon]

17. He's a lawmaker. He KNEW what he was doing at the time.

I don't want to hear anymore excuses for this guy. He was well aware of what he was doing.

[FLSurfer]

18. one thing I haven't seen addressed

Why was he at the airport?
Was he flying out? Returning from a trip?
Or just to troll the bathrooms?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Never Had Sex In A Public Restroom

But I was aware of glory holes, their purpose, the foot tap, the peeking, and the foot rubbing. I'll admit the hand under the stall was a new wrinkle...I'm surprised he didn't drop a note...

I don't think Craig think is the sharpest knife in the drawer... Any kind of clandestine sex runs the risk of discovery but I suspect restroom sex results in arrest or detection much more often than say, hiring an escort...Who knows?

Also, you can't discount the rush some folks might get from that activity...

I don't think he will ever come to terms with his sexuality...

It's quite poignant...

[bunkerbuster1]

22. Agree about the "poignant" part. Claiming he was "never" gay is tell-tale

That's what seemed really, really weird. Why would anyone say "I was NEVER gay?"

[Thirtieschild]

23. His attitudes about being gay are almost certainly rooted in his age and where he grew up

I wonder how many people from that place - a ranch in Idaho for heaven's sake - and time would have had the courage to admit their sexual orientation? And a constituency who mever would have elected them if they had come out?

I had a very close friend who was gay but hid it from me. I figured it out because he never used a pronoun - it was always "this person". When I confronted him about not telling me the truth, we finally talked about how he felt he had to hide it, even from close friends. We both came into sexual maturity in the late 1940s and early 1950s (we were both born in the mid-1930s)and the place for him was Georgia. Again, time and place.

I don't condone Craig's choices or his votes. I think he's made some terrible mistakes and done some damage to his soul - karma always wins in the end - but I understand why he made them. Mostly, I feel sorry for him. BTW, I'm a straight woman, married 50 years, who most of you would think of as elderly, even though I don't. Now off to the pool for water aerobics which is what we elderly folk do on Wednesday mornings.

[mondo joe]

24. There is a world if difference between just not coming out and actually being a big evil

anti gay politician.

[IDemo]

26. Restless Craig leg syndrome