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Purveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:39 AM Original message |
Ford And GM Say Factories In US Face Axe |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. How are GM and Ford even competitive in today's auto market? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. You don't subscribe to Consumer's Reports, do you? |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. I'll believe that one. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Really? |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Really. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. LOL. You changed your tune after my link |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I drive a car that with 148,000 miles on it |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
50. OK - whatever you say since you don't freakin' own one. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. You were one of the lucky ones, then. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
41. If you drive a Taurus or a Sable... |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Once, at band camp... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. Newsflash: Union workers can't overcome design and engineering weaknesses. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Are you kidding? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. No, I'm not. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Regardless... |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Backing up what TahitiNut is saying... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Exactly. |
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EnviroBat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. None of this will even matter 10 years from now. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. Soon America will be poor enough |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Toyota and Honda already have. They use non-union labor but have |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
3. That'll help their stocks go up. - n/t |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. Won't be buying Ford or GM then |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
5. And tis is the final goal |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Henry Ford is rolling in his grave. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
42. He was also anti union |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
6. here before too long no one will be able to buy their cars anyway. |
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AmandaRuth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
7. The story is not told until we hear about |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
8. A 30% pay cut!!!??? |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
9. So how are Honda and Toyota able to manufacture cars in the US? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Ding! We have a winner! nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. By hiring scabs and temp workers |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #17 |
55. And GM and Ford are doing what to accomodate theri unions? |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Well, Toyota now tops the recall list... |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
34. One of the big problems for American companies, |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. the Elephant in the room that no powdered-face on TV will touch |
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Fierce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
10. If we had single-payer health care, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Ding to the second power. Another winner. nt |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. BINGO |
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bigscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. 71 dollars an hour |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That's what he company claims as hourly cost. |
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bigscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 11:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
51. thanks JIm |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. And people wonder why so many new plants are being built in Canada!! |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
46. Vote Kucinich! :-) |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
20. isn't this basically black mail? nt |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Yes |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Not blackmail. Cause and effect. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. GREAT POINT!! |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:16 AM Original message |
Kind of like what happened in the National Hockey League strike |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
25. GM and Ford's message - Let's Return to the Gilded Age where you peasants |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Ford and Gm are losing **billions** each year |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Well tell me then...is Ford and GM management going to take a paycut |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
49. Find competent managers? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Precisely. They are 30 years behind the times. nt |
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Medical Speaking (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
31. Pay Cut |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Employees are asked to take pay cuts while CEO's enjoy Million dollar bonuses. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
38. This is the goal of Free Trade. CHEAP LABOR |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
44. Labor costs *are* a huge part of the cost of an automobile. |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-28-07 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
54. All workers, blue/white whatever collar need to care about this. |
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