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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:57 PM
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McCain tears into Cheney on Vietraq war, backpedals on escalation.
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 10:59 PM by roamer65
Good. I'd love to see a public verbal slugfest between these two criminals.:evilgrin:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/22/mccain-cheney/
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 10:59 PM
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1. Wait a sec...just last week...
:banghead:

I can't keep up with the spinning.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:00 PM
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2. So McCain's flipping after recently flopping.
I thought it was the Democrats who didn't have a plan. :eyes:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:12 PM
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3. Too late, Senator, you're married to Bush/Cheney.


Might as well "stay the course".
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:14 PM
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4. but McCain... this was YOUR idea!!!
nice try ass-hat.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:26 PM
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5. I don't buy this 13th hour conversion either. But still, I welcome this news
Sure, he's flipflopping. But his reluctance to say "damn the consequences full speed ahead" makes it that much harder to sustain the war--at least harder to do so after the surge flops, as it must. It's not like we stand all that good a chance of stopping the initial surge itself. Under our Constitution, the president controls troop movements.

But McCain's statement makes it clear that the surge is a tactic with only a few months to work its magic, not a full year as Bush would have it. That makes it more likely that the redeployment can happen sooner, that negotiations will happen sooner, and that fewer people will die in the long run. It's not fast enough for any of us; and it's certainly too late for all the people who will needlessly die in the next few months. But thisis another sign that we are past the worst of this bloody nightmare and that the drawn-out ending has already begun.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:30 PM
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6. BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA FLIPPITY FLOPPITY
HE WAS JUST ON THE SUNDAY MORNING SHOWS SINGING PRAISES FOR THE IRAQNAM SLAUGHTERFEST.....DID HE LOOK AT THE POLLS?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:40 AM
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12. Evidently he's getting leaned on a LOT harder by his colleagues
like John Warner, Chuck Hagel, and the Maine Women (Collins and Snowe), AND his constituents, than he is by the White House.

Such a waffler. Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop...
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:36 PM
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7. Well, mccain's Done. This Was Political Suicide (nt)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:47 AM
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16. FINE by me.
He's turning into a really ridiculous flake. I agree. I think his backing of the escalation has deep-sixed his campaign. He will be losing traction as the weeks go on, and as a few more republi-CONS crowd the field. AND as the Iraq War sours even more. Soon he'll be little more than an afterthought. His time has passed.

Also, it didn't hurt that the escalation plans put forward by bush have been described as the "bush-mccain surge." He's hitched his wagon to an anvil. A submerged anvil at that.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:02 AM
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17. Does this mean we can shut down the McCain Suicide Watch?
I remember when he said he'd "kill himself" if the Democrats took over the Senate. Seems he only meant political suicide.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:40 PM
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8. Oh my!
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 01:55 AM
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18. Yes! Flip-flops for the flip-flopper McCain.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:26 AM
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9. His campaign is in flames after he backed the escalation
And backing a president with a 28% approval rating does that isn't very wise.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:37 AM
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11. I don't think he believed Bush was crazy enough to do it.
He just wanted to pretend to support something that could never be proved wrong. Nobody has ever hated "the troops" more than John McDoctrine.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 06:56 AM
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22. He gave himself an out a couple of weeks ago - by stating
that something like 50,000 were needed - and that he wouldn't support an under-manned "surge". But then, after the bush announcement he initially backefd off his "I won't support it if it isn't large enough" (McNoIntegrity strikes again). Guess he is deciding to use his "back door" to now oppose.

Interesting theory of yours - support something that could never be proved wrong... hadn't thought about that.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:34 AM
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10. Strange how that article capitalizes Vice President, but not president.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:43 AM
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13. McCain must've read that his poll numbers were dropping backing Bush
and the surge.

He is disgusting. And I used to have at least some respect for the man. Maybe just for the man he was when he was a young man.



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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:43 AM
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14. McCain is trying to be
all things to all people. No one will buy it. He reinvents himself on a daily basis depending upon how the political winds are blowing.

He will never get the support of the Repug base - they don't trust hime
He will never get the support of the rest of us - we don't trust him either.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:45 AM
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15. 28% for W
That's all McCain need to see to change is mind. That, and seeing Chuck Hagel rip the Maverick GOP label from McCain, sweaty, shaking fingers..
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:01 AM
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19. sob sniff...I hate to see two such good people/great statesmen fall out
:cry: :cry: :cry:



http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I56589-2004Jul16




Oh well at least we always have this:



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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:10 AM
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20. Gee, and I thought Hillary Clinton was a finger-to-the-wind politician
McCain just outdid all of them.

It's pretty hard not to tell which way this wind in blowing.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 06:48 AM
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21. McCain is a fruitcake...
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 07:43 AM
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23. He is still for an escalation, he just thinks it isn't enough troops
Also in the interview, McCain continued his back-pedaling from the escalation strategy that he first proposed. After offering a full-throated endorsement of the Bush plan just days ago, McCain opened the door to the redeployment of U.S. forces back to the borders of Iraq should the president’s plan fail. He added, “I don’t know if this is enough troops or not. I can’t guarantee success by doing this.”Text


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