For those who may have missed it, Tim Robbins on Bill Maher

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On the first episode of this season of Real Time with Bill Maher, actor Tim Robbins and Bill Maher totally obliterate Dick Cheney's number one fan, writer Stephen Hayes. Hayes still insists that there was a relationship between Al Qaeda and Iraq in spite of all the evidence. Maher has a great bit about how 9/11 actually changed nothing (taxes weren't raised, there was no draft etc..etc..). Meanwhile, Robbins makes a great point about how these people who are responsible for the deaths of thousands are still being allowed to determine public policy and he holds Hayes to account for perpetuating the lie about Saddam's involvement in 9/11. "The American people would have never sanctioned this war if they had the facts," says Robbins. It's going to be a great season. Check out the video to your right for more.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/60714/

[LiberalinNC]

1. Robbins was terrific last night!!! Hayes still believes that Saddam

had something to do w/ 9/11...LMAO "the 9/11 commission said he did"...of course Bill Maher was prepared for such an idiotic statement!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

4. Who knows if Hayes actually BELIEVES that. But he's gonna SAY it.

[Webster Green]

2. Robbins was great!

He told Hayes that he should apologize for misleading the American people.

[orleans]

3. that was good. thanks for posting it. n/t

[Nite Owl]

5. Saw the show last night

Tim was great as usual. Did anyone get the remarks by Michele Martin(?) questioning Tim about why does he keep saying that the administration lied why not they made a mistake? That sort of hits the crux of the whole thing, the corporate media keeps saying it was merely incompetence without intent. The dems do this too for the most part. It lets them off the hook as just a bunch of incompetent people.

[aggiesal]

12. Tim's response shut her up. "There were too many F-ups to be a mistake" n/t

[dsc]

22. He had a pretty good answer to that

but the one I would have given was they are still lying now even after we tell them they are wrong.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

6. Hayes is the worst intellectual poseur...

I'm glad the audience booed him down.

He's an example of PNAC's new poster children...the toning down of the rah rah jingoistic BS and the ratcheting up of pseudo "reasoned" approach.

Tim Robbins was superb. :loveya:

MKJ

[aquart]

11. I wonder who fed him while he wrote that book.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

14. Good question.

MKJ

[williesgirl]

7. Robbins was right on. Thanks for posting - I don't get HBO - rec'd

[Myrina]

8. "That's alotta fuck up"

Tim Robbins is DA MAN ! :applause:

[StClone]

13. Michel Martin's curious comeback

Martin asked, "How do you know it wasn't all a terrible mistake rather than an outright lie?" I kind of like the fact that she is holding out for one last straw, attempting objectivity. Robbins leaves no doubt that Bush's repeated mistakes has one to conclude that Bushita's were wrong all the way around. They would have made a massive mistake only a degree worst if in fact they lied to get to Iraq: that is how big a blunder the Iraq invasion was!

[Myrina]

16. ... as if being stupid is better than being just plain evil?

Yes please, Ms. Martin - I'd like a world leader, cabinet and intelligence professionals who are so stupid that they attack the wrong country for the wrong reasons as opposed to an evil one who just flat out lies & does whatever he wants.

:spank: Those bobbleheads flabbergast me.

[glitch]

32. Fucking up all the way to the bank.

And they're still at it.

[stopbush]

9. I was disappointed - once again - when Maher failed to have a good

response to Hayes on the Utah mine tragedy. Bill pointed out that Stickler was a coal-industry insider and probably not the kind of person who should be in charge of mine safety. Hayes asked him, rightfully, to give an example of the type of person he would put in charge of MHSA. Bill - always great on the initial talking point but lousy on the follow-up - had no answer, and sat there (along with Tim) unable to give a cogent reply. The effect was that Hayes had scored a point.

A shame, for had Bill bothered to have done a bit of research, he might have read this:

"It's worth noting that the person Bill Clinton appointed to head MSHA, J. Davitt McAteer, was not a coal-industry insider -- indeed, he had been a key force behind the 1969 Coal Mine Health and Safety Act, had worked with Ralph Nader on workplace safety reforms, and was running a public-interest law firm focused on occupational safety when Clinton tapped him. He therefore came to the job with a very different perspective than the one required by Rove's objective of using government agencies as accoutrements for the GOP's permanent campaign."

That comment was written on Monday by Bill's big friend Arianna Huffington on her blog. Had Bill had the comment ready (or even better, had he had Arianna on as a guest last night in place of the shill from NPR) he would have delivered a major smack down to Hayes.

Bill often reminds me of a person who is just learning a foreign language. They make an effort to find the right foreign words to phrase a question to a native, but they're totally unable to comprehend the native's response to their question if it isn't delivered in fluent English.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

19. It seems it takes him a couple of shows after vacation to really get back to

being truly informed.

When he just phones it in during discussions or interviews, it's incredibly frustrating.

My husband said he just seemed to "get it" towards the end of the discussion last night. It was almost like a light going on.


MKJ

[LaPera]

23. Your right, Maher at times can be funny & stingily to the point on certain issues and

subjects and other times, unbelievably unaware, grossly uninformed on some issues and subjects, with nothing but feeble offings that are incredibly frustrating to the informed and sincerely concerned.

[GCP]

25. Well Tim had a good come-back

"What about a member of the mining community, what about a miner".
Then Micehelle Martin had to make the point that Stickler comes from 3 generations of miners - as if becoming part of the problem is negated by the fact that your father and grandfather were miners.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

28. And right then would have been a perfect time for Maher to mention

McAteer, as referenced in this thread by stopbush, or the HuffPost article or something.

Tim Robbins set it up for him to hit it out of the ballpark...

Wasn't it interesting how Martin and Hayes jumped right on that, synchronized like. MKJ

[aquart]

10. Thanks. That was delightful.

[StClone]

18. I think it is to

Have our Military in position to set up and continue a campaign against Iran.

[LaPera]

15. Cheney and his asshole supporters have to cling on to that Al Qaeda and Iraq lie!

As long as they hold onto the lie, they can justify to many all their hate, greed, profiteering and imperialism and there are many lying hateful racist republicans who want to believe & support Cheney & his big fucking lie!

We have to attack it and expose the lie in every instance, every time the fucker spews it out or it will become media truth.

[tulsakatz]

17. Tim Robbins is always good on Real Time!!

I loved it when he said these people, who have been so wrong before, should not be considered experts!! They should be propogandists!!

[Bjorn Against]

20. I loved Tim Robbins politics until I saw this, now I have questions

Can someone please confirm for me that this is not accurate: http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=CA&last=robbins&first=tim

If it is accurate and Tim Robbins really did donate to Heather Wilson and Michele Bachmann (who may well be the most insane Republican in the entire US Congress) then I am just shocked and saddened by what this man who I thought was a great person has done.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

21. I won't click on the link, however, I'll take a chance and say that Mr. Robbins most likely didn't

donate to either.

MKJ

[Bjorn Against]

27. I hope you are right, but that link is not what you may think it is

It is a massive database that shows the campaign contributions made by thousands of different people. It does not appear to have any agenda beyond showing who is giving money to the candidates, it is not just some random right-wing propaganda site.

I hope this was simply a mistake on their part because it absolutely blows my mind to think Tim Robbins could have contributed to such vile people.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. Aaawkward. This is actually a saved link for me from the distant past.

:blush:

And, I'd like to hear Mr. Robbins's take on this.

MKJ

on edit, this should be an OP, "TIM ROBBINS CONTRIBUTES TO HEATHER WILSON'S CAMPAIGN!" . :-)

[Bjorn Against]

31. See my response to your other post

I think this may be a case of confusion based on two people who happen to share the same name and occupation.

[Bjorn Against]

30. On closer examination you are probably right

When I looked closely I noticed that an actor named Tim Robbins is listed under two different zip codes with most Republican donations coming from one of the zip codes and the progressive candidates getting donations from the other zip codes. This makes me think there may be more than one actor named Tim Robbins. Because I can not fathom the Tim Robbins we are thinking of donating to Michele Bachmann I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that it is a different Tim Robbins who made that contribution.

The site does seem to be a good source of information on political contributions, I guess you just have to be careful not to confuse two people who happen to share the same name and occupation.

On edit: Here is a link to Tim Robbins from the Internet Movie Database. http://imdb.com/find?s=all&q=Tim+Robbins As you will see there are a few others in the movie business who share his name. I have to believe the GOP contributions came from one of them.

[underpants]

24. Stephen Hayes is such a miserable douchebag

He is symptomatic of the entire right wing noise machine. He couldn't get hired anywhere else let alone garner such a stately by-line.

I will check it out.

[underpants]

26. "That's an awful lot of ****up"

Last line on the video from Tim Robbins

:rofl: