hmmm? anyone notice the DU is no longer linked from Kos???

[ourbluenation]

or am I just a day late and a dollar short...

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. It's the latest thing in liberal blogs:

Trimming the blogroll. Sadly, there is a number of habitues at Kos who think that DU is naught but rabble.

Eh. Can't please everyone.

[ourbluenation]

2. oh really? we ain't good enough huh? it was there not that long ago....

sonsabeetches

I'm sure there are crossover posters between the two.

[GainesT1958]

5. Like me!

No one in the progressive blogosphere should slight anyone else. We really ARE all in this together, and we really DO share a lot of common goals. I personally don't find any differences worth taking about between Kossacks and DUers.

B-)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

14. I have seen the comments...

In a lot of places, certainly not just Kos. It is my experience that there is a certain subset of Dems and liberals who live in a permanent state of disdain. I ran into some of them, inside the beltway types, while working on a very abortive project.

I don't pay those types much mind. Life is way too short.

[meow mix]

4. who think that DU is naught but rabble

the sad part is that is an easily defendable argument, they are most likely disgusted by much.

[Bucky]

9. Speaking as a rabble particle myself...

I gotta say I don't read DKos. I find their diary format too hard to navigate. I prefer the DU free for all, because that's what us rabble are like. My few trips to Kos left me with a cold feeling. DU always feels like a busy house party--a zillion conversations that you can pick up on at any time. Kos feels like a zillion competing cacaphonous monologues. I prefer my mob scenes a little more interactive.

[volstork]

15. I agree

I'll go to Kos if a DUer links, otherwise, I prefer our format over here.

[spiderpig]

35. I'm glad you said that

I've never been able to get into the Kos format.

[Catherine Vincent]

19. I agree 100%.

[EFerrari]

26. Couldn't agree more. DU is much more generative than Kos is.

And it's much easier to use, too.

[Lisa0825]

28. Exactly how I feel!

I don't think Kos is all that user-friendly, unless you're an old-timer and have known your way around it a while. I read things there now and then, when someone links it, or it turns up when I search. Other than that, I very much prefer the interface here. The only other community I find as easy to navigate, with nearly as many cool features is Scubaboard.

[Redneck Socialist]

41. Count me as another with little love of DKos

I love the everyone talking at once feel of DU.

[orleans]

56. i gotta chime in here too. i totally agree--and when i've seen mr. "kos"

on the telly, or gotten linked to that website (from here) i always get the feeling that they are much more "moderate" than i care to put up with.

maybe i'm mistaken, but that is my impression. my political passion and anger is not moderate. i'd have to be too constrained or on my best behavior if posting there (which i never have) but this place feels like home.

[BlooInBloo]

10. Gee, with all the annanicolesmith hagiolatry, why on earth would they think that?

[MoseyWalker]

11. well, rabble is as rabble does

I guess

[TahitiNut]

37. If they want to see food fights, they can rent 'Animal House' I guess.

:shrug:

[TheMadMonk]

38. We're not?

nt

[madfloridian]

3. Neither is Booman Trib or My Left Wing among many others.

.

[ourbluenation]

6. yeah but we've been linked there forever. the two sites each have different

things to offer and I thoughtworked nicely together.

[MADem]

7. Does anyone know why, really? Aside from speculation?

I know there have been a few troublemakers of late, but they've been kicked to the curb.

[Neecy]

8. lots of drama over there....

Apparently some of their more regular diarists also had their blogs deleted and it ain't pretty.

For whatever kvetching goes on here, it's generally a small percentage of the constant shitstorms that happen over there - usually caused by Kos himself.

Here's a reaction to the trimmed blogroll:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/8/13479/33972

[Downtown Hound]

46. You just hit upon the very reason why I don't frequent Kos

The answer is Kos himself. I find him to be a tad on the arrogant side. Despite what some say, DU allows room for ample disagreement. Hence why we have so many flamewars over here, often over petty shit. But Kos, it's his way or the highway, and I don't like his way. He strikes me as practicing a very mainstream and even conservative form of liberalism, and has even called himself a "Libertarian progressive" before, whatever the hell that means. No discussion of alternative 9-11 theories allowed, and I think, correct me if I'm wrong, no discussion of voter fraud in the 2004 elections. I know it's his forum and he had the right to run it as he sees fit, so I'm not disputing that. I just don't go there.

That, and as others have said, the interface at Kos sucks.

[skipos]

12. I feel like the hatred for Dems at Kos is much less than it is at DU

That's why I like some of the discussions over there. Other than that, I don't see DU and Kos as much different. Not that I am an expert or anything.

[Horse with no Name]

13. Then Skinner should respond in kind

I'm sorry--if they are too big for their britches...we can surely oblige the same.

[Katherine Brengle]

16. I hadn't visited DKos in awhile, but dang...

Burning the bridges that connect the liberal blogosphere is not a good idea - it's a move that if it became more popular, could hurt all of us.

[Canuckistanian]

17. I never go to KOS anymore

It seemed like Markos was getting a little too much like a celebrity or something and dark rumblings about KOS being "the blog to follow... or else".

And there are WAY too many diarists. I can't separate the good ones from the bads ones any more.

But the thing that killed it for me is that KOS does not allow any 9/11 "alternate theories". Period.
No discussion, zapped if you do.

Sorry, I get enough censorship in my daily media diet.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

18. I love DU's format.

I'm just not as comfortable anywhere else.

Rabble on...:)

[ourbluenation]

20. i gotta say - i'm a little bit pissed about this now...not a lot, but a bit.

kinda snooty if you ask me.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

21. Get used to it.

Most of life, and its social, political and economic interactions never progress much past high school. No matter how much we think it does.

[ourbluenation]

23. that is so true...I guess we're not the cool kids.

screw em

:toast:

[Canuckistanian]

27. Yup, you're dead on

And the blogging community is rather... umm, quick to jump on things.

Not a huge amount of quiet reflection, but that's not why I go to them.

[Neecy]

22. yeah, it was a crappy move....

He's limited his blogroll to blogs that he claims to actually read, so what he's saying is that if they're good enough for him, they're good enough for everyone who visits his site - even if they share different tastes or interests. I think he's actually trying to cut off competition for page views, but of course he'd deny that.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

24. He's got no competition.

He's #1 by a far, far piece. Ain't no one gonna play catchup for a long time, either.

Nah, Markos has to get serious now, for '08. This yearly Kos thing has established him as a real power player and as such, their certain steps to that minuet. One must not diverge from them, either.

Recently, he also came out against dirty words. To each his own.

Certainly crushes the dreams of The Rude One, I am sure. ;-)

[rhiannon55]

25. I'm a few threads shy of 1000 and I love DU

Great format, cool people, interesting discussions. I can't figure out DKos and I don't have the patience to try.

I'm here to stay.:grouphug:

[ourbluenation]

29. the format does kinda suck at Kos....8 more post to go rhiannon.

:)

[toddaa]

30. How about I flame you?

Should be good for getting you over the hump.

I hate people who use hug emoticons.

[ourbluenation]

32. hate is such a strong word

:hug:

[rhiannon55]

34. Wow, thanks, toddaa!

Now I feel right at home!

Come 'ere... :hug:

Haha!!!

[madfloridian]

42. The 1000 post is a good feeling. Good for you.

Almost there...give another hug.

[Lisa0825]

31. Woohooo... breakin' into quadruple digits!

way to go! :bounce:

[madrchsod]

33. oh well

100,000 register members since 2001. who cares what he thinks of our site? at least the guys update the nuts and bolts of this site constantly unlike others on either side. i gave up on kos last year

[earth mom]

36. Who cares? KOS sucks. eom

[KingofNewOrleans]

39. I like both KOS and DU

Formats and style are quite different. As for the Blogroll, I think I read that Kos wants some sort of 50 state blog effort, so he may be clearing space on the Blogroll for that.

And really DU and Kos are both big enough that they really don't need to be linked. They are two of the bigger boys on the block.

[Swamp Rat]

40. Kos who? ... I never go there.

Am I missing anything? :shrug:

[alittlelark]

43. Could be Snickers, Edwards house, Dem candidate slashing?

Who knows? This place is a clearinghouse for (mostly) progressive Dems ... it is across the board. Beauty + truth and division + hatred. It's a crapshoot.


That's why I love it - it's REAL.

Kos is likely shooting for a 'blogostar' role w/ a Dem candidate.

[Bluebear]

51. .

[MazeRat7]

44. Why am I not surprised ? I've considered removing the DU sticker from my vehicle...

Given the senseless babble of late... I frankly am not sure I want my association known in public.
Hopefully this is just another "phase" as we have seen before... But after a couple of years of active membership the least I should do is give it a few more months before doing anything so "radical"...

MZr7

[Downtown Hound]

47. It helps to take breaks from DU now and again

I do this on occasion, and I find that when I come back it's like coming back home. In spite of all the silliness on DU, it is still one of the best sites on the internet, hands down. You can learn more here in a week than you could reading magazines and newspapers in a month. This site is the best place to get information and to connect with like-minded people. But too much of it can be draining.

Take breather for yourself now and again. You'll find the urge to quit will be far less if you do.

[MazeRat7]

50. I hear ya, I did for a couple of weeks in Jan... and guess what greeted me on my return...

House threads, snickers threads, More primary wars...etc. *sigh.

Well at least spring is right around the corner, that means lots of outdoor activities... thats always good for the soul.

MZr7

[Quixote1818]

49. If you really want senseless babble, go over to

www.freerepublic.com :hurts:

[MazeRat7]

52. Oh gee thanks for that thoughtful advise....

now go fuck yourself for even making such a suggestion asshole. :sarcasm:


MZr7

[Nutmegger]

53. Dude have you seen the house?

How about the commercial?

[MazeRat7]

55. Yup, saw both.

Actually I had to go to Youtube for the snickers ad since I don't give a rats ass about sports either.

MZr7

[mnhtnbb]

45. The Edwards bashing may have contributed. Lots of love for

Edwards at kos

[Quixote1818]

48. Thats EXACTLY what I was thinking! nt

[madfloridian]

54. Surprising omission...Glenn Greenwald's Unclaimed Territory

Also no Down with Tyranny. Odd.