So, why is neither Jenna nor her fiance, Henry...

[rateyes]

serving in Iraq?

[Stuckinthebush]

1. A.) They don't need the money/job

B.) They realize that it is a foolish war and to serve means almost certain death or injury
C.) Their parents would never let them enlist

[Jackpine Radical]

2. It's not their role.

Military duty is for the little people. That's why they call it "serving."

[RB TexLa]

3. I haven't heard any public statements that she supports the war

maybe she has and I missed them, or didn't pay attention, because she has no importance on the issue.

[wtmusic]

5. She would have a lot of importance

if she came out against the war. IMO one can assume tacit approval.

[rateyes]

7. I haven't heard any public statements that she

opposes it, either.

[tanyev]

12. She and not-Jenna helped campaign for Daddy's reelection.

She didn't seem to have any problem with any of Daddy's policies then. And we know that his policies now are exactly the same, because he's a stay-the-course kind of guy.

[RB TexLa]

15. I said due to her lack of importance, I could have missed everything she has said

[mondo joe]

20. She did support her War Daddy in the election, quite visibly.

[book_worm]

21. In my view anybody who worked and voted for Bush supports the war

[City Lights]

4. Like Unka Dick before them, they have other priorities. eom

[Maddy McCall]

6. Because the front lines are no place for a pregnant woman.

:hide:

[rateyes]

8. LOL. How about

an unpregnant man?

[Maddy McCall]

11. He's marrying George Bush's daughter.

Obviously signs of mental impairment.

:hide: :D

[rateyes]

13. Well,

you do have a point.

[hobbit709]

9. Because good republicans support the occupation

by letting others die for them.

[Zensea]

10. Uh, volunteer army means volunteer army

If there is some requirement for people of a certain age to serve then it's not a volunteer army anymore.
You're either for one or against one.
People's political views are irrelevant to whether they should serve.
If you think they are relevant, then you don't believe in a volunteer army.

The issue of the hypocrisy involved when someone supports the war but does not volunteer is a different issue. But even in that case, their being a hypocrite is not a reason to require or even expect someone to serve either. About all you can really ask (but not really expect) is that they shut up about being in favor of a war they are not willing to serve in.

[rateyes]

14. I'm just wondering why they haven't volunteered. nt

[Zensea]

17. Would you volunteer?

or have you already?
Maybe their reasons are the same (or similar) if you haven't or won't.

As for me (since I'm asking about you, I should engage in full disclosure) I wouldn't volunteer if I was military age and when I was military age I applied for and received conscientious objector status.

[rateyes]

26. Hell no, I wouldn't volunteer....and,

I'm not the offspring of the "war pResident, or a Karl Rove aide in the White House.

[PCIntern]

16. do you think that Poppy had

THE conversation with the family a la The Godfather about the newbie? "...give him a job, but he is never to know the family business..." or words to that effect.

[jojo54]

18. "I'll give you an offer you can't refuse".

"Marry my pregnant daughter or wind up in the Potomac with cement shoes!"

[133724]

19. Theyare protecting us here so they don't have to protect us over there....

[electron_blue]

22. Hell. I wouldn't serve in Iraq nor recommend anyone else do it.

I could say they're both smart enough to avoid it, but that's probably not true. Why should they go to Iraq? Why should anyone?

Yes, they have means, and that'll keep them away from many undesirable jobs.

[treestar]

23. My gut feeling is she is an apolitical person

Like so many Americans.

That's her right. However, I see no reason to call out Chimpy and Pickles for not raising offspring that subscribed to their ideals, which logically they should have, or to hint that Chimpy and his administration have more cyncial and self serving reasons for the war, etc.

And there is no reason not to call out the right wing nutjobs, who logically should be quite bothered by this. Liberals can say, consistent with their philosophy, that Jenna does not have to follow in Daddy's footsteps and doesn't owe the public an explanation one way or the other by mere ground of birth. But per wingnut philosophy, they should have a problem with it - not with the girls (who they believe should be barefoot and pregnant at home) but with the spouse.

[iamahaingttta]

24. Why isn't Chelsea Clinton serving?

C'mon... leave the kids alone.

[Bitwit1234]

25. Maybe because her parents are not supporting sending our military to war

That's what bush is doing sending our sons and daughters to war.

[rateyes]

27. Because Chelsea is anti-war, and didn't support

a pro-war candidate.

On edit: Jenna is 25. Henry is 29. They're not KIDS. The KIDS are the 18 and 19 year olds dying over there in the Iraq war.

[misanthrope]

41. What? And give up that cushy six-figure job...

...her life in a position of privilege has given her?

[KingFlorez]

43. Her parents didn't start this war

So why even bring her up?

[NI4NI]

28. They're honeymooning in Bagdad n/t

[cobalt1999]

29. I don't care about the children of politicians.

I know I wouldn't want to be judged by the behavior of my parents. Unless, she's publicly supporting the war, she gets a pass.

[rateyes]

35. By not opposing it,

they support it.

[Lilith Velkor]

56. "With us or against us" is bullshit.

[cobalt1999]

58. as long as that is your opinion on EVERYONE

If they don't oppose it, they are supporting it and should enlist. If you are consistent in your thinking, we may disagree, but at least you are consistent. If this applies only to the offspring of those who support the war or just to the Bush daughters, then I have to say bullshit.

Unless you are one of those rare people who is in lock step with whatever your parents believed in and did, you'll understand that each generation should be judged on it's own.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. Because They Chose Not To Volunteer. Same As You And Others You Know. End Of Story.

They are under no obligation to serve and it is their choice if they want to enlist or not, same as it is for everyone else since we do in fact have an all volunteer army. Pretty cut and dried, really.

[rateyes]

31. I'm wondering why they CHOSE not to volunteer..

I'm too old to volunteer. They don't take 47 year olds today. And, I'm not a pro-war, of-age, Republic.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. Because They Simply Didn't Want To. Same As Everyone Else. Where's The Confusion?

Only a small percentage of the population chooses to enlist in the armed services. I don't think there's any reason to believe they should've had some sort of obligation.

I'm fairly convinced that your inquisitiveness is simply a deflection in order to make a point that just because they support the war, they should be obligated to enlist. Problem is, I've always found that mindset to be monumnetally misguided.

[rateyes]

34. Of course they're not obligated....

That's what makes it a CHOICE. I simply want to know why they don't want to enlist. With their parents being who they are, surely they have thought about this war and whether or not they should enlist. When the recruiters asked them to join, I want to know what the reason was they gave for not joining.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. Not Sure What You're Not Getting Here. They Didn't Because They Simply Didn't Want To.

Their reason was that they simply didn't want to. They didn't need to provide a reason beyond that, since we don't have a draft they need to get out of.

So where's the problem? Where's the source of your confusion? Why is it so hard for you to understand that they just simply didn't want to join the armed forces, same as you didn't want to join and an overwhelming majority of Americans didn't want to join?

Like I said, it is likely that you are not confused at all, but instead are trying to just make a point that because of her father, she should feel more obligated, or be more apt to, enlist. But that argument is just silly on its face.

They are people just like anyone else, who can have preferences, goals, desires and plans just like anyone else. In this case, those simply didn't enclude joining the armed forces. In other words, they just simply didn't want to. It should be quite easy to understand.

[rateyes]

39. You're right. It is easy to understand.

After all, she's a Bush and he's a Hager.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

40. Actually, She And He Are Just Individuals Just Like Anybody Else.

They are individuals that just like millions upon millions of others, simply chose to pursue things other then military service. Just like the millions upon millions of others, there is nothing wrong with their choosing to do so.

[rateyes]

45. Actually, she is a Bush,

and he is a Hager. And, she has a daddy who is obviously above the law. However, I'm not condemning either one for not volunteering...I wouldn't volunteer if I had to answer to the asshat who is CinC right now, either.

I'm just wondering what the specific reasons they have for not having enlisted.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. Why Are The Specific Reasons Relevant To You? Do They Matter Somehow?

Do you normally go around asking the overwhelming majority of americans who don't enlist what their specific reasons for not doing so are?

[rateyes]

49. No. I don't.

Not normally. Just right now.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. You Didn't Answer My First Two Questions. Please Do.

[rateyes]

59. OK, if you really want to get into it that deeply....

I've got a brother-in-law who has/will again, serve in Iraq. I've got two twin nephews who are in their second year at the USMA in West Point. They all volunteered.

When they volunteered, they were given an implicit promise that they would never be asked to place their lives on the line in an illegal manner, and unnecessarily. That promise was broken by the asshat who now occupies the Oval Office...the father of Jenna...the same Jenna who publicly campaigned for her father's re-election. She supports an illegal war, and it's OK with her if my nephews die in it...doesn't bother her one bit.

The same is true for her chickenhawk fiance who worked for KKKarl Rove in the White House. BTW, I know Henry's father, who is another asshat Bushbot.

That's why I want to know.

Again, I'm not demanding they join. I just want to know their reasons for not joining. Is it because they really believe down deep in their hearts that the war is illegal and their dad/future father-in-law is a piece of crap for a commander in chief?

Just wondering.

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. OMG That Is Too Funny!

:rofl:

Holy cow, take things too far much?

[Name removed]

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[KingFlorez]

42. That's not the point

The point is that Bush is bent on continuing an illegal war by sending other people's children to fight it, but neither of his daughters are serving. It's about the principal, but you don't get that.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. Your Reasoning Contains Some Inherent Flaws.

First of all, Jenna and her boyfriend are individuals that have the capabilities of making their own decisions for their own reasons. They are not slaves to W and he cannot force them to do anything. They have their own free will and have their own capabilities to make the decisions for their life that they want. In this case, they chose just like millions and millions of others did to not join the service. Her father's actions have nothing to do with what her own personal choices should be, any more than I wouldn't appreciate having to feel obligated to do something outside of personal choice merely because of something my own father did.

The second flaw in your reasoning comes from your statement of * sending other people's children to fight, as if that is relevant to Jenna enlisting. The two are completely incomparable since he did not force anyone to enlist. Even those currently serving did so out of their own choice. So the argument would only be relevant if Jenna DID join the service, but her father pulled strings to ensure that she wasn't sent over to Iraq, whereas he readily was able to send everyone else. But that isn't the case here, since she hasn't enlisted and is not in the armed services. The only way he could force his daughters over to Iraq is if they were enlisted, only AFTER they voluntarily chose of their own free will to do so.

Now I understand full well the emotions involved in this and why those emotions cause some to demand that they should join. But those emotions and honorable convictions don't make the logic involved any less flawed.

[rateyes]

46. I'm not demanding they join...

I just want to know why they didn't.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. Why?

[rateyes]

50. Why not? nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. It's A Simple Question. Why Do You Deflect?

You seem to so passionately be interested in their reasons. Is it not acceptable to ask you why it matters to you so? Why you want to know so badly?

Thanks.

[rateyes]

60. I refer you to my previous reply above.

Jenna and Henry are spoiled brats who don't give a thought to anyone but themselves. But, hey, the apples don't fall far from the tree.

[Johonny]

32. You'd think if her parents were really passionate

about the war, they'd be serving. This war is supposed to be extremely important to America's future. Bush has made it the center piece of his whole presidency. He claims to be extremely passionate about spreading democracy to Iraq. You would think if this was really true one, if not both, his daughters would have served in the military. You would also think Bush would never accept a son in law that did not serve. The fact neither is true would send a clear message to me. Bush doesn't really care about Iraq. A person with true conviction instills those convictions on their child. Bush can even convince his own family that Iraq is war the cost of war, why should any other American be convince to lay down their life for it?

[cobalt1999]

57. There were things my parents were passionate about, but

I considered stupid. Until they get purposely get into the public stage, I say leave them alone. That goes for the Bush daughters, the Clintons daughter, Amy Carter, or the children of any public figure.

[rateyes]

61. Until they get on the public stage? Like this one?

They stood at the RNC and took the public stage on national TV to support their asshat father.

How much more "public" can one get?

[Posteritatis]

51. Not my business

Volunteer army, rights, etc. Not even people whom I dislike or disagree with need to justify their decision not to serve in the military as long as they aren't being drafted or something.

[cboy4]

55. Because they appreciate poultry??

:shrug: