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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:04 PM
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Judge sides with state in battle over religious license plate - "JN36TN"
Judge sides with state in battle over religious license plate
Associated Press Staff Reports OneNewsNow.comAugust 19, 2007 vtmap_small.jpg

RUTLAND, Vt. - A man who wants a Biblical reference on his vanity license plate has been dealt another setback in his legal fight with the state of Vermont.

A judge says the Department of Motor Vehicles "has the right to prohibit religious messages on license plates provided it does not discriminate based on the particular message or viewpoint."

Shawn Byrne wants a license plate that reads "JN36TN" -- shorthand for John 3:16, a Bible passage that reads: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

The state rejected his request, saying it bans religious viewpoints on license plates.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/08/judge_sides_with_state_in_batt.php
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:06 PM
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ok, be honst now, DUers..... Anyone get it?
Certainly not me and I'm pretty good deciphering so-called vanity plates, but then again, I'm not thinking and breathing religion 24/7....:shrug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:08 PM
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2. Right away because of those lame posters at sports events
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:10 PM
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4. re: lame posters at sports events...
I've missed that, I guess... People in the stands post religious messages like this?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:17 PM
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6. It's all the rage for the truly committed proselytizers to hold up posters:
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 08:19 PM by Bluebear
JOHN
3:16


in the end-zone of a football game, or at the finish line of a marathon, etc. Anything to get the message on TV.

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Recently on your America Online site you posted your old column about Rock'n Rollen Stewart, the guy who used to hold up those "John 3:16" signs at sports events. You may be interested to know that Stewart is now serving a life sentence in jail. --Name withheld, via AOL

Cecil replies:

Yipes. I lost track of Rollen after talking to him in 1987. At the time he struck me, and I'd say most people, as a harmless if obsessed flake. Shows how wrong you can be. A few years later Stewart went completely off his nut, staged a series of bombings, and wound up in prison after a bizarre kidnapping stunt. The whole story is told in The Rainbow Man/John 3:16, a new documentary by San Francisco filmmaker Sam Green. If you doubt that too much TV is bad for you, you won't after seeing this flick.

Stewart's problems started during his childhood in Spokane, Washington. His parents were alcoholics. His father died when Rollen was seven. His mother was killed in a house fire when he was 15. That same year his sister was strangled by her boyfriend. A shy kid, Rollen got into drag racing in high school, married his first love, and opened a speed shop. But his wife soon left him. Crushed, he sold the shop and moved to a mountain ranch where he became a marijuana farmer, tried to grow the world's longest mustache, and watched a lot of TV.

In 1976, looking for a way to make his mark, Rollen conceived the idea of becoming famous by constantly popping up in the background of televised sporting events. Wearing a multicolored Afro wig (hence the nickname "Rainbow Man"), he'd carry a battery-powered TV to keep track of the cameras, wait for his moment, then jump into the frame, grinning and giving the thumbs-up. Rollen figured he'd be able to parlay his underground (OK, background) celebrity into a few lucrative TV gigs and retire rich. But except for one Budweiser commercial, it didn't happen.

Feeling depressed after the 1980 Super Bowl, he began watching a preacher on the TV in his hotel room and found Jesus. He began showing up at TV events wearing T-shirts emblazoned with "Jesus Saves"-type slogans and various Bible citations, most frequently John 3:16 ("For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son," etc.). Later accompanied by his wife, a fellow Christian he married in the mid-80s, he spent all his time traveling to sports events around the country, lived in his car, and subsisted on savings and donations. He guesses he was seen at more than a thousand events all told.

This brings us to the late 80s. By now Rollen had gotten his 15 minutes of fame and was the target of increasing harassment by TV and stadium officials. His wife left him, saying he had choked her because she held up a sign in the wrong location. His car was totaled by a drunk driver, his money ran out, and he wound up homeless in LA. Increasingly convinced that the end was near, Rollen decided to create a radically different media character. He set off a string of bombs in a church, a Christian bookstore, a newspaper office, and several other locations. Meanwhile he sent out apocalyptic letters that included a hit list of preachers, signing the letters "the Antichrist." Rollen says he wanted to call attention to the Christian message, and while this may seem like a sick way to go about it, it wasn't much weirder than waving signs in the end zone at football games. In any case, no one was hurt in the bombings, which mostly involved stink bombs.

On September 22, 1992, believing the Rapture was only six days away and having prepared himself by watching TV for 18 hours a day, Stewart began his last "presentation." Posing as a contractor, he picked up two day laborers in downtown LA, then drove to an airport hotel. Taking the men up to a room, he unexpectedly walked in on a chambermaid. In the confusion that followed he drew a gun, the two men escaped, and the maid locked herself in the bathroom. The police surrounded the joint, and Rollen demanded a three-hour press conference, hoping to make his last national splash. He didn't get it. After a nine-hour siege the cops threw in a concussion grenade, kicked down the door, and dragged him away.

About to be given three life sentences for kidnapping, Rollen threw a tantrum in the courtroom and now blames everything on a society that's "bigoted toward Jesus Christ." A cop who negotiated with him by phone during the hotel standoff had a better take on it: "With all due respect, maybe you look at a little bit too much TV." For info on the Rainbow Man documentary, write Sam Green, 2437 Peralta St., suite C, Oakland, CA 94607.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a971107.html
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:44 PM
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13. Damn!
What I MISSED, since I turned off cable! LOL
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 11:13 PM
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25. wow
i remember that guy....crazy
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:47 PM
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Why is it lame?
People hold up all sorts of things for us to read at sporting events. "Hi So-and-So," "I Luv such-and-such," and so forth. It's just freedom of speech, which isn't lame.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:50 PM
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20. Oh here we go. The word "lame" gets you bent out of shape?
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 08:52 PM by Bluebear
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Help me help Earth Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:19 PM
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7. No, but I hate football. nt
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:22 PM
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8. Not me. n/t
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:47 PM
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19. I didn't get it. nt
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:06 PM
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1. Frankly, I don't think that driving along behind him, I would even
get it!

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:09 PM
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3. Would never have figured that one out
:shrug:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:15 PM
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5. I had to read the OP before I got it
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 08:16 PM by ayeshahaqqiqa
If I decided to get a vanity plate with a religious connotation, I'd never tell the DMV. If asked, I'd say the letters were initials and the number was special to me and leave it at that. The fact that this was brought out as religious in nature would indicate to me that the man who wanted the plates also wanted the notoriety.


Edited to add: a dear Sufi brother who lived in Iowa had plates that read ISHK, which means "love" in Arabic. When asked what the initials stood for, he would always say, "Iowan Seeking Higher Knowledge".

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:28 PM
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9. Pretty Silly. The Plate Is Harmless And A Bit Creative. Some Bans Are Just Dumb.
I never understood that whole religion ban thing on license plates. What's the harm if someone had a "ILVJSUS" or something? Ehhhh, guess I don't really care when it comes down to it, but I just don't see the harm in someone having a "JN36TN" plate. :shrug:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:37 PM
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10. Didn't get it either
My favorite is:

3M TA3



:evilgrin:
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:42 PM
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11. For God so Loved The World That He Gave His Only FORGOTTEN Son" Boy, I Wish, I REALLY Wish! n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:45 PM
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15. Why would you wish to forget a man of Peace.
You don't have to believe in his Deity, but he really was a peaceful man.

:shrug:

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:42 PM
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12. What does "TN" stand for?
"JN36" I find fairly opaque. But with "TN" after it, unpacking it to "John 3:16" is less than unlikely. It's already hard to deal with "JN36" because if I were going to take "JN" to be "John" I'd have to take it as "John 3:16".


Very strange.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:45 PM
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14. 6TH = six teen
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:48 PM
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24. Thank you.
And my confusion is resolved.

Now, about these ants .... :-)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:46 PM
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17. I thought it had something to do with Tennessee.
Oh well...

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:46 PM
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16. I thought it was maybe someone's initials, bra size and state.
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 08:46 PM by impeachdubya
:shrug:
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Colorado Progressive Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:47 PM
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18. being such a heathen I wouldve driven by in ignorant bliss nt
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:20 PM
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21. Typical - more interested in the murder of Jesus than his message.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:29 PM
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22. Much Ado About Zed
Is this another one of those faux separation of church and state tempests?

Where does anyone get the idea that the cryptic contents/message on a vanity plate, provided by the state only because display of a properly registered plate is required, and the motorist has paid extra for the privilege, somehow constitutes the state's endorsement of the hidden religious message that a car owner (not the state)has elected to display?

The state may also prohibit, for example, arguably racist, inflammatory, or profane plates, but how can they continue to separate those exclusions from common law allowances of equally objectionable plate frames, bumper stickers, or other indicia exhibited on registered (publicly displayed) vehicles?

The line here is becoming so thin that we may well see reversals upon appeal.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:45 PM
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23. Good points. As an atheist/separationist, I see nothing wrong with that plate.
I'll also go along with the racist, inflammatory, and profane ban. No need for the state to be involved in vulgarity. We can do that ourselves. :)

--IMM
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 11:23 PM
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26. As an agnostic, I agree
So long as the state allows all kinds of religious expression, as well as irreligious expression, I see no problem either. :shrug:
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 08:12 AM
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27. How about a "NOGOD" plate? LOL.
I can see where they'd be concerned about that.

--IMM
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