Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Howard Dean tells Helen Thomas Democrats should not be over-confident about 08

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:47 PM
Original message
Howard Dean tells Helen Thomas Democrats should not be over-confident about 08
and that he thinks Karl Rove will be working behind the scenes.

Helen Thomas: Howard Dean Surveys The Political Landscape

WASHINGTON -- Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, is warning Democrats not to be too overconfident about their election prospects in 2008. Dean expresses optimism that the Democrats will keep control of Congress and also win the White House but then he injects a note of caution.

"This election is far from over," Dean said. "Republicans are good at winning elections. They've got lots of money. They are very tough."

As for the departure of White House political strategist Karl Rove, Dean opined that "it's long overdue" but he indicated that he believes Rove will continue to play a role behind the scenes.

In a telephone interview from his home in Burlington, Vt., the DNC chairman claimed the Democrats have three things going for them: President Bush's decision to launch the disastrous war in Iraq; a lack of leadership in the country and the incompetence of the administration as personified by the poor handling of the Katrina hurricane catastrophe.


And Helen Thomas ends her column with advice for the Democrats.

Dean is on the road four to six days a week, working to win support for the Democratic party. Now it's up to those wishy-washy candidates to promise a quick end to the war and to develop plans for universal health care if they want a winning Democratic ticket.


There's a rally today in Cleveland with Dean and the Ohio Democrats...they are having a training session this week-end for the new Election Protection program.

He talked more about the program in Pittsburgh recently.

Dean's Down Home Strategy

This article brings out some interesting points mentioned by several Democrats....that no matter how hard he works..if the candidate doesn't win he loses.

And it indicates the candidates may not take advantage of the programs in the states....and may still limit themselves to just a few states. Just like before.

Dean's plan is to track every single voting machine.

"We want to know how each county allocates the voting machines, what the rules on absentee ballots are, what the rules on early voting are, how they are administered in that county," said Dean. When the 2008 general election rolls around, "we will know well ahead of time what to expect in every single precinct."

Such a program must be implemented because, he claims, "the Republicans basically are interested in suppressing the vote."

..."Simon Rosenberg, president of the New Democratic Network, who ran against him, is impressed with many of the programs Dean has put in place for 2008. Yet Rosenberg says that will not be the Democrats' measuring stick. "Gov. Dean will ultimately be judged by whether he leads the Democrats to a presidential victory in 2008."

..."Howard Dean came to the DNC not to play but to win. His biggest challenge will be the electoral strategy of the Democrats' eventual presidential nominee.

Every nominee of recent years competed in only 18 to 20 states, writing off the rest of the country. If the next candidate approaches his or her campaign in the same, predictable way, then you will see all of Dean's efforts go on a head-to-head collision course.


Dean ends by saying that by decentralizing party operations, we are letting the country know we are "awake again and we are going to change the country for the better."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:48 PM
Response to Original message
1. Since the MSM is actively picking our candidate I agree whole heartedly
Edwards and Kucininch are much better candidates but they don't get the air time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
followthemoney Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #1
39. The Democrats are busy trying to win Republican votes rather than
expanding their own base. There are elements in the Democratic Party that would rather lose to Republicans than win with Kucinich or Edwards. Their class interests are better served by Republicans. FDR felt this pressure and was accused of being a "traitor to his class." Too few Democrats will resist this pressure.

Desire for party control, unity, and purity exclude meaningful appeals to the political left, unions and blacks who have nowhere to go and are taken for granted as owned by Democrats.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. Exactly. They want to be the minority because they are owned by the same
people who own the republicans. The only way to get their agenda passed and appear to be an opposition party is by losing control to the R's.

There is no way in hell Dean should be expressing trepidation at upcoming elections when the past six + years have been nothing but lawbreaking and serving the super rich majority at the expense of 98% of the American public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #42
49. Just look at who's running Clinton's campaign
the same guy that handed the win to the republicans the last two elections. Terry McAuliffe is determined to give the 08 election to the republicans again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #42
50. The DLC "haves and have mores"
make out great either way...

They either get the A-Team of republicans or the B-Team of corporate Dems...

Either way, they win!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #39
54. I agree with your points FTM. I have observed that as well.
I think its more beneficial to build our own base instead of reaching for conservatives and moreover, their approval, versus strengthening what we have and being damned proud of it.

Thats the best 'recruitment' there is, anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:50 PM
Response to Original message
2. He's right. We need to maintain a sense of urgency, and after the primaries are done and our
candidate is chosen, of UNITY. And we need to GOTV like crazy. All politics IS local. Dean is right with his fifty state strategy and his decentralization efforts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:50 PM
Response to Original message
3. Howard is 110% correct. All is not 'rosy' in the democratic 'land of play'...
That said, I'd rather be 'us vs. them'...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. No because pugs cheat.
I have watched them do it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
51. They can cheat
because the Dems make sure it's close...

If it were a run-away, the pukes couldn't steal it...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #51
59. NO FUCKING CHEATING ALLOWED! WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A CLOSE ELECTION!
JESSSSSSET!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #59
65. I agree
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 12:36 AM by ProudDad
unfortunately cheating in elections has a long, storied history in this country...

Lyndon Johnson move to the right -- and Box 13...

"The most infamous issue surrounding Johnson's 1948 victory was the tainted vote totals in south Texas that, more than anything else, won the election for him. The second lesson Johnson learned from his 1941 defeat came into play here. He knew ballot tampering played a big role in his losing by 1,311 votes to Pappy O'Daniel. Aside from shifting right politically, LBJ also learned that he must sit on the ballot boxes in as many counties as possible. He knew Stevenson would try to stuff the ballot boxes like O'Daniel did, so Johnson not only ordered his men to watch the voting stations but also instructed his men to outdo Stevenson's men in accumulating fraudulent votes. The run-off election was scheduled for Saturday, August 28. That evening, Stevenson led by 2,119 after 939,468 votes were counted. By 9:00 AM, Sunday, LBJ had gained the lead after 979,877 votes were counted. By Monday evening, Stevenson regained the lead, and on Thursday, September 2, he was announced as the "official" winner by 362 votes.

Unlike Stevenson, Johnson had prepared for a close race, and besides having his men watch the voting stations for stuffing or withholding, he asked election officials that supported him, like boss George Parr, to withhold their vote totals until the official results were announced. Stevenson was no amateur; he realized Johnson might try to pull something. But he made a mistake in instructing his supporters to only watch the voting stations on Sunday.(32) Johnson ordered his men to watch the stations the entire week. According to H.Y. Price, a Johnson campaign insider, LBJ went so far as to tap Stevenson's phones. Anytime Stevenson or his men called the stations and asked for votes, LBJ immediately called his watchmen and told them to be on their toes.

After the "official" results were announced on Thursday, the real conspiracy began. Early on Friday, September 3, election officials in a little southern Mexican-American town, dominated by George Parr, announced that the returns they released earlier in the week were incorrect. Officials in Alice, said they found an additional 203 ballots in their "Box 13." Of these 203 ballots, 202 were for Johnson, leaving only one for Stevenson! Officials from another Parr-dominated county-Duval-also announced that they had some ballots that were not included in their tally from earlier in the week.(33) After these votes had been counted, LBJ had 87 more votes than Stevenson with a final tally of 494,191 to 494,104."

http://www.eiu.edu/~historia/1999/texas99.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. Get yo' butt to the Greatest Page! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:53 PM
Response to Original message
6. You got that right. The republicans have already figured out
a way to steal this election also.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:29 PM
Response to Original message
7. After 2000 and 2004, that's definitely true.
I certainly didn't believe we could lose to a talking turnip twice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:36 PM
Response to Original message
8. I totally agree
If the Dem candidates can't manage an unstealable landslide over an obvious doofus like the Bushboy, how can they think that they'll have an easy victory over a more presentable looking candidate?

Even if the voters hate the Republicans, that doesn't necessarily translate into love for the Democrats.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:40 PM
Response to Original message
9. Howard has been 100% right about everything so far.
:dem:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:55 PM
Response to Original message
10. From the FEC thru June...state and local Democratic parties fundraising up 44%
"State and local Democratic committees increased their fundraising by 44%, while their Republican counterparts’ fundraising receipts fell by 21% compared to the
first six months of 2005."


http://www.fec.gov/press/press2007/20070813party/20070813party.shtml

Those are amazing statistics, and show how what Dean is doing is filtering money down ticket and down more locally. In some ways this will in itself be a new type of campaigning. The candidates will not be able to look to the DNC for as much big splashy TV ads cash at the last minute, but should rely more on state and local GOTV resources.

The GOP went down 21% in comparison.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #10
38. "what Dean is doing is filtering money down ticket and down more locally"
If excitement can be created for local, down-ticket races I can't imagine how this would not also benefit the top-of-ticket races for president and congress. I usually only hear discussion about how top-of-ticket races impact down-ticket races, but this could really be a huge opportunity. Howard Dean rocks.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #38
52. Dean is doing the same thing in the U.S.
Edited on Thu Aug-16-07 01:24 PM by ProudDad
that Chavez is doing in Venezuela...

Empower the "bottom" for Bottom-Up Democracy.

That's the ONLY good way to defeat the forces of evil...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
11. Absolutely
Here's hoping Dean will be much more persistent than Kerry in Ohio. I'm wondering if there is any chance that the DNC has standing to file a lawsuit in the matter of those missing Ohio ballots.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:24 PM
Response to Original message
12. He also spoke out a lot in a phone interview with the Providence Journal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:31 PM
Response to Original message
13. I absolutely agree. And it is too bad the candidates aren't utilizing the 50 state strategy!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:53 PM
Response to Original message
14. K&R. (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:55 PM
Response to Original message
15. Well Dr Dean, I think you already lost the House
and the Senate... it comes down to Impeachment

but don't quote me

Oh and FISA did not help either
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. You still think Dean is in Congress. Oh, well.
You did this all day yesterday...

:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. No, but tell me
he is running? Or are the candidates running?

Now if you can explain that, I'm all ears

How the actions of the US Congress and the Leadership have put the popularity of THIS congress right under dirt

That is a fact.

Deal with it
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Deal with it? Now that's just ugly, isn't it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. The first step in disaster assetment is in realizing
how deep the problem is

Then you can act...

You are in for a surprise... after all you cannot accept that there is a problem.

So why waste my time with true believers? They are the same, no matter where.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. I have no clue what you are saying.
And I think I need to do what I need to do. Saves some headaches. Bye.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Translation
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 11:10 PM by nadinbrzezinski
the people ain't too happy with this congress

And the people might NOT vote for their democrats in '08

One reason, impeachment is off the table

FISA is way too much inside baseball

But impeachment is not

And people are pissed

Clear enough for you?

And will you be surprised the day after the election? I know I will not,

I will not celebrate it, but if the dems loose I won't be shocked either

At least Dean gets it, from that interview to Hellen Thomas
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #24
46. Completely Wrong Premise
Look at the Congressional approval rating over the past ten years. It is, right now, statistically identical to where it has been since 2003. The Repubs were in power then. Remember?

Your premise is rooted in the fact that the people are dissatisfied with THIS Congress! Well, look at the shift in approval after 1994. Almost NOTHING for nearly 24 months. Same here. The Congressional low approval is a hangover from the people's dissatisfaction with what went on since 1994. The move toward or away from impeachment has nothing to do with it.

Your hanging your coat on a pretty tenuous hook. They're not pissed now about impeachment. They've been so for quite some time. The dems can't shift that approval in 6 months. Just doesn't happen. And, that is based upon looking at approval ratings all the way back to Kennedy.

The Professor
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. Despite the radically different composition of congress...
... approval ratings are the same as 2003, and to you this doesn't suggest a problem?

The people spoke, they asked for change. They didn't get it. They're pissed, but now there are two targets for their angst.

If nothing changes, we're better off being the opposition party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #46
53. Am I?
Will see

At least Howard is starting to pay attention

But Madamne Speaker's refusal to do what the people elected them to do is a problem

If you don't see it, I can't help you
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
26. What planet are you from?
Dean does not propose legislation. He doesn't have the right or the privilege to shape party voting blocs.

His job is to present the party platform in the most flattering light and to facilitate cooperation between party members.

Personally, I suspect Dean hasn't been thrilled with the party stance on either impeachment or the FISA legislation: which is WHY he has been unusually quiet. He's doing his job as responsibly as he can.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #26
27. We have wondered if it were hard for him to keep his mouth shut lately.
I agree with you...it must be tough to be outspoken and not be able to be.

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #15
34. How many members of Congress were elected on a pro-impeachment platform?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #15
56. Dean wasn't making those calls.
He comes from the faction of the Party that I'm still proud of, shrinking though it may be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:56 PM
Response to Original message
16. wow, and he found time to write the FISA bill too
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. Yep....some still give him credit for FISA Oh, well.
I tried yesterday, thought it was safe to come out and post this. Guess not.

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:57 PM
Response to Original message
17. K&R
Oh god, I don't even want to think about another republican in the WH, but he's right, don't take anything for granted. :scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:15 PM
Response to Original message
25. Helen's advice is excellent
"Dean is on the road four to six days a week, working to win support for the Democratic party. Now it's up to those wishy-washy candidates to promise a quick end to the war and to develop plans for universal health care if they want a winning Democratic ticket."

I would add wishy-washy 'spineless jelly fish'. When are those Dems going to become vetebrates!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #25
41. YES!~ And bears repeating again
and again..

"Dean is on the road four to six days a week, working to win support for the Democratic party. Now it's up to those wishy-washy candidates to promise a quick end to the war and to develop plans for universal health care if they want a winning Democratic ticket."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:06 AM
Response to Original message
28. Good for Dean -- honesty -- nice feel to it -- and agree . . .. be cautious/watchful --
but we still don't have paper and pens to vote with -- !!!!

So we could have more Sequoia/Diebold results --
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 04:06 AM
Response to Original message
29. there is the turdblossom effect, but also
the general mood towards Congress

when dems were voted into power in Nov. '06, it was a vote for change and to get us the F**k out of Iraq

although many of us who do actually follow issues/news know that congress has achieved a few changes, the general public is just seeing more of the same and more capitulation to the bushies/republics

this scenario is creating a perfect storm for a 3rd party candidate, if one emerges - it will be more devestating than Perot jumping into the race back in '92. Even with Perot jumping into and out of and back into the race he still received 17% of the popular vote.

conventional wisdom said Perot cost the republics (i.e. Poppy bush) the white house, however I know quite a few liberal/progressive/registered dems who voted for Perot.

if the dems want to hold onto Congress and want to capture the white house - then they need to stand up to the bushies/republics - even if it means "not having enough votes" on a particular item/issue

I've heard more than one person say "if the dems cave in to bush/republics, how do I know they won't cave in to terrorists..."

You can have all the powder in the world in a safe/dry environment, but it doesn't do any good unless you use it

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:22 AM
Response to Original message
30. I'd feel much better if Dean had more power in the party & Pelosi
& Rahm Emmanual a hell of a lot less.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #30
43. Dean's a workin' on it! From the
the outside in.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #43
60. And from the ground up.
:hi: zidzi
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. Yes, From The Ground
UP!~ mad~:hi: Every which way but loose!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:39 AM
Response to Original message
31. Overconfidence is obviously not a problem around here. All you hear at DU is loser talk.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #31
40. No, that's just your perspective.
Shift it a bit... change your focus. I hope that you'll be happy to see the rest of the picture.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #40
44. Great advice,
redqueen!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
57. Not loser talk. Cassandra talk.
We see what's happening, warn about it and are ignored. Then people are amazed that the repukes win again.

It's like Paul Revere bursting into the tavern and yelling "The British are coming" and everybody looks at him like he's speaking Chinese.

We shouldn't lose 08. But we could lose 08. All we have to do, is keep on doing like we are. That's not loser talk. It's reality.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 08:57 AM
Response to Original message
32. I often think Dr. Dean is the only one who gets it
Or at least the only one who a) gets it and then b) tells us the truth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #32
58. and c) does something about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 05:50 AM
Response to Reply #58
64. Yep.
Maybe the grovelbot post under this is an omen. I should send Dr. Dean more money....!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU GrovelBot  Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 08:57 AM
Response to Original message
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##
==================
GROVELBOT.EXE v4.0
==================



This week is our third quarter 2007 fund drive. Democratic
Underground is a completely independent website. We depend on donations
from our members to cover our costs. Thank you so much for your support.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 09:17 AM
Response to Original message
35. I've been trying to get myself to say President Thompson
witout puking for months now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:15 AM
Response to Original message
36. Hurricane Dean hits the road with spine deliveries scheduled. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #36
45. We're so fortunate to
have Dean as the head of the DNC instead of some of those who were in the running who would have had an entirely different focus.

I'm Grateful!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 10:19 AM
Response to Original message
37. "They cheat." (n/t)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 12:45 PM
Response to Original message
48. What's in it for me is has always been the proper question for politicans to ask their constituncies
of themselves. It's about Health Care, Employment with a living wage and benefits, and Retirement (I'm complacent concerning Security and the never ending threat - fear mongering - of terrorists). I'll give more money for border security and a larger military machine if you meet my basic need of health care, employment and retirement. It's a no brainer for our Democratic candidates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
55. Howard Dean is the absolute best! I truly love the guy!
Support the DNC and say fuck you to the DLC!

http://www.democrats.org/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:08 AM
Response to Original message
62. If we compete in only 18 or 20 states - yet Giuliani can't win in the South!
Because they hate his pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun positions.
The same way they hate all the Democrats for having the same positions.

What a dilemma?!

What's a good ol' boy to do this time around?

But, maybe if Bo and Luke endorse Fred, they might have a chance.
They just might.

But, I wouldn't bet the farm on it, Daisy.

LoL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:19 AM
Response to Original message
63. Single Payer Health Care. End the Iraq War. Enough with the Repub-lite "values voter" pandering.
Come out strong for civil liberties, equality (including marriage) rights for gays, and personal freedom.
A Livable Minimum Wage.
Roll back this bullshit Bush has enacted, along with the assault on the bill of rights that has taken place in decades prior.
End the drug war. Stop pissing away $40 billion a year to keep cancer grannies and Willie Nelson from smoking pot.
Stop pissing away half a trillion dollars a year on a Military Industrial Complex bigger than the defense expenditures of the entire rest of the planet combined.
Fix our nation's infrastructure.
Fix our nation's schools- and to prepare the next generation for reality,make sure that science classes are teaching the FACTS around evolution and geology, instead of brain-addling creationist bullshit.
Invest in a manhattan style project to develop clean, renewable energy- solar, wind, geothermal, if that means mining the moon for Helium-3 then let's do that, too.

Big Ideas. Bold Ideas. Brave Ideas. No apologies. THAT'S how we win.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 06th 2024, 08:57 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC