Why would someone post a sticky of the Dalai Lama with a Hitler moustache?

[LeftCoast]

Just seems really offensive to me.

:shrug:

[Name removed]

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[LeftCoast]

3. I thought substantive discussions were forbidden in the Lounge!

Looks like I missed that thread entirely. Thanks for the link!

[sam sarrha]

17. was there an oxymoran in that statement..

[donheld]

2. ditto

I also find it quite offensive. I think we're due an explanation. :grr:

[LeftCoast]

4. The Big Board will get ugly really quickly if people keep posting flame-bait like that

[Eurobabe]

5. I was wondering that myself?

:wtf: ????

That's not even the slightest bit amusing.

[twenty4blackbirds]

6. see the Lounge

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=6829675&mesg_id=6829675

The pic is quite offensive, otoh it also Godwinated so fast!

[LeftCoast]

7. Unfortunately it will probably stay up until the morning

I'd imagine this is something the Admins will have to deal with and they're probably sleeping right now. I assume they have a more normal schedule than I do.

[Richard Steele]

8. Apparently, a TROLL has been here so long that he's finally forgotten to keep his mask on.

And so, he's finally OUTED himself as the warm & steaming
racist-douchebaggery afficionado he really is.

"IMHO", of course.

Sincerly,
Richard

[Downtown Hound]

9. Definitely one of the more tasteless things I've seen during my time here

I wonder if whoever did it will have the guts to come forward and admit it?

To whomever you are, it's one thing to disagree with somebody on whatever issue. But I reserve the Hitler comparisons for those that are truly vile, those with mountains of blood on their hands. Whatever disagreements you might have with the Dalai Lama, it's obvious that he tries to be a good human being and he certainly doesn't qualify. I don't agree with everything about him or Tibetan Buddhism, but I would never do what you did to a man who has been driven from his country by a brutal invasion, seen over a million of his people die, and yet basically goes around the world preaching compassion and happiness to all. Few people deserve the treatment you gave him, and the Dalai Lama certainly doesn't deserve it. Slapping a Hitler moustache on him says a lot more about you than it does him, and what it says isn't good at all.

And the funny part? The Dalai Lama would probably be the last person on Earth to be angry with you. That's what a horrible tyrant he is.

[MonkeyFunk]

56. Sure, I have the guts

I posted it.

It was meant to mock that thread in the Lounge wherein people were comparing him to Hitler, calling him a "elitist tyrant", etc. I thought it was pure bullshit.

I admire the Dalai Lama a great deal and I found such attacks on him to be ludicrous. So I mocked those attacking him, not the Dalai Lama himself.

But I see it's been deleted, and I apologize for offending. Oddly, the link to the original thread in the lounge that I posted in reply #1 was deleted, too. I don't know why. But that thread is still going in the Lounge if people would like to see it for themselves.

[Downtown Hound]

96. Well, I'm all for satire

So I can appreciate it. It was just kind of hard to tell with no explanation. I am familiar with the thread that started it, I posted in it. Which was why I thought it was one of the yo yo's that was originally calling him a tyrant that put it up. In any case, I'm glad you didn't really mean it. I really was wondering what the hell somebody was thinking to have done that.

:hi:

[John Q. Citizen]

10. If you meet the buddha on the road, kill him.

[sam sarrha]

14. will you please quit repeating that bullshit... it is from very old Zen which you don't have a chanc...

to understand in this life time, it is like this, people may just think you are stupid till you quote Zen and remove all doubt.

this is out of my prayer book..

DECLARATION

from beginningless Samsara, in this and other lives, i have unwittingly committed many non-virtues or caused others to do the same.

bewildered by the confusion of my ignorance, i have rejoiced in my own and others non-virtue, seeing these mistakes, i declare all this to you protectors from the depth of my heart

..............please note the part about causing others to do the same.. Zen is a personal experience between the student and his teacher. the term Dharma Bum's.. is very accurate about people who don't know what they are talking about and play teacher, Jack K was a pitiful tragic alcoholic.. you are karmically responsible what you do and on down the line where this shit spreads.

this statement was made to a student in a tradition that no one understands anyway.. please do not say it again, you are spreading ignorance about Buddhism and you knowledge of it.

[NutmegYankee]

11. Holy LSD overdose Batman!

Seriously, wtf?

[LeftCoast]

12. Welcome to DU, NutmegYankee!

:toast:

[NutmegYankee]

13. Thanks

:hi:

[Wetzelbill]

15. there are people here who will go out of their way to find something wrong about anybody

You could have the nicest person in the history of the world, and some DUer will find a way to insult them. Witness how ugly it gets around here when somebody famous dies. On the one DL thread the OP says the DL is the greatest con job since Mother Theresa. Ok, whatever, you know? Just because this is a progressive message board doesn't mean there isn't hateful people around here. Just like in all walks of life, they exist. We all have to work to develop a thick skin over that stuff, because when people are that vitriolic it's not worth haggling over.

[sam sarrha]

16. there is a chance that it is a fringe group that feels the Dalai Lama dissed them and ruined their

political position.. it is a long story. the sort that families avoid talking about at thanksgiving dinners

[MatrixEscape]

18. I am both sympathetic and ovejoyed that a mere picture

a symbolic representation of an iconic figure has an impact and could illicit the responses we are seeing here! That is worth a pound of the DL's talks and writings.

That act, regardless of its intents or purposes, is more of a teaching and a mirror to those who think they know what Zen might be and then have the audacity to post about it with a sense of authority.

Dali is now clearly a sacrosanct icon, rather than the real person who speaks and interacts in a certain way, and yet is only human like the rest of it. I am going to get roasted, just as when I said without any reserve, "fuck the Dalai Lama" and got the expected results from those who can't see the message a wise person would give and who respond in a way that projects the same kind of misunderstanding that people who hold up idols in place of emulating and being one, tend to exhibit.

Oh, the abuse! The offense. Oh, how could you profane my sacred cow? Its just religious fundamentalism and hero worship in a form of political, in-vogue trance where the offended fail to see just how and why they could have their cookies get soggy and cry out at the people who represent merely a more hip way to identify with something by proxy and feel good about that novel way to do the very same thing that idols and gods and saviors, etc., have done through time.

I mean, all good and dandy if you love this person and admire their profession of touring the circuit and giving talks while promoting a political, dire agenda. But, has anybody, like the devout followers and those who place him on a pedestal, ever asked him about people who seriously or instructively hack away at the current fad of making the current DL into yet another, popular, Brittany Lama? Can anybody anticipate the response a very wise being might have, and find out his insights into what are merely ways of pointing out how those who idolize and feel offended and threatened by ribs and bold, even acerbic statements that counter the rather superficial, cathartic grip that people have on his personality?

Did it every occur to anyone to really read, listen to, and understand his message enough to get past the petty, trivial tendency to take offense or come to his defense in with an emotional, knee-jerk response that is almost of a dogmatic, devotional flavor.

I would say that people who are offended have an opportunity to learn more about themselves, their thoughts, and how to respond and react to things, than any message that a wise being has to offer them directly. This is an opportunity to get closer to and grasp the Great Teachings of the Tibetan Yoga if you get yourself and your opinions out of the way for just one moment and practice what has been preached.

I am not optimistic about that happening and so, let's return to our regularly scheduled round of reactionary thinking when a false form of abstract reverence stands like a column of sand in the way of a great mind and spiritual teacher that would probably find more for you to learn in over-reacting to a Hitler mustache on his picture and a hearty, Zen-like, "Fuck the Dalai Lama!" than he would have concern for your easily offended nature and sensationalist reactions. He is a good man, like Ghandi saw Jesus. But followers are always the biggest problem, especially the most dedicated and sincerest.

Has any one of you read or experienced the Tibetan Book of the Dead, or the doctrines and yoga of Tibet? If you have, then you should understand why this thread is a pregnant place for understanding in the lower end of the Bardos and casts the finger of the Wrathful Deities as they point directly, through your own aggressive reaction, at how seriously you are taking your thought forms and those of others. If you want them to transform into the peaceful ones, here is the place to start, because they are the same and only depend on perspective as YOUR OWN THOUGH FORMS. The rest is a form of temporal and immediate re-incarnation even in just a metaphorical sense.

In that case, you have just died. You don't know it yet. Either be neither attracted or repelled by anything you see, hear, or experience, and become the Clear Light, or get ready, right now, to re-incarnate once again ... the chance to choose wisely where and how is now upon you.

[LeftCoast]

19. Personally, I would be just as offended if you posted any person's picture like that

Whether or not I hold the Dalai Lama in high esteem really doesn't factor into it for me. I just think it's inappropriate on a number of levels. Clearly you wouldn't care if someone posted your picture up there with a Hitler 'stache, but I do. Especially not on the big board.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

20. HOW UN-ZEN!

:hi:

[LeftCoast]

21. Hi Arnie!

:hi:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

23. Long Live Enlightened Blowhards All!

:boring: :)

[MatrixEscape]

22. Well then ....

being easily offended is something to reckon with. And just what is that? What does it accomplish? Love, peace, harmony, humility, understanding? I don't know and I never see the positive effects of being offended by mere words and pictures, in my personal life and for others.

I can imagine what it is like. I have had my share of digs, put-downs, and defamations, mostly for speaking out in an informed, determined sense. Either you get over the over-sensitive reaction to fleeting, abstract responses and symbols you encounter and you grow in humility and strength simultaneously, or you can fixate on them, react with egoistic gusto, and let them control you and take you elsewhere.

Take all the offense you need to or care to. But then, where will you put it? Thoughtforms? Peaceful deities or wrathful? Pick one, the other, or see them as two sides of your very own reaction. If not, then why bother bolstering an ideal and holding it on a pedestal like a chip that somebody can easily knock off your waiting, jutting shoulder.

I don't know. Zen is a pile of total bull crap that should be left as soon as one finds oneself in it, but people who tell me they KNOW what it is make me laugh when they react caustically to a mere statement like that then and become offended, even enraged by it as it their reaction was my fault and responsibility. My eyebrows simply dance and I smile humbly. It is hard to be the cause of somebody else's response and reaction without somehow denigrating their own personal power, and all the while, knowing that you don't even exist at all.

I think there is a large supply of offense to be taken, so you won't find a shortage. Why you want to take it is really curious when it is best left where it is.

[LeftCoast]

24. We are an online community and as such we (or at least the Admins) can

set standards of decency and behavior. DU can be an all out free-speech brawl zone, or it can be a place where reasoned discussion can happen. I don't think most people would place drawing a Hitler moustache on someone as within the reasonable bounds of thoughtful discourse. See Godwin's Law for more on that.

[Heidi]

26. With all due respect, the DU rules are pretty clear.

I don't take disrespectful, insensitive shots at others' religious beliefs, or lack of religious beliefs, for two reasons: 1) It makes nothing better for the DU community; 2) It's against the DU rules that we all agreed to upon registration.

I consider the Hitler-esque Dalai Lama sticky to be insensitive, just as I would consider similar depictions of Christ, Mohammed, Richard Dawkins, etc., to be insensitive.

From the DU Rules
When discussing race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, or other highly-sensitive personal issues, please exercise the appropriate level of sensitivity toward others and take extra care to clearly express your point of view. . . With regard to religion (or the lack thereof), Democratic Underground is a diverse community which includes Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, and others. All are welcome here. For this reason, we expect members to make an extra effort to be sensitive to different religious beliefs, and to show respect to members who hold different religious beliefs. Members are welcome to discuss whether they agree or disagree with particular religious beliefs, but they are expected to do so in a relatively sensitive and respectful manner.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Even George Bush*s?

We all have our own icons and get upset when they are attacked...It just that folks have different icons...

And, yeah, the OP's sticky was gratutitous...I'm just citing a larger principle...

[LeftCoast]

30. Yep, even W's

Though, I have to admit, it'd be a little harder to get worked up about. :)

[sam sarrha]

92. well yes.. he is actually more of a Stalinist, just widen the mustache

[sam sarrha]

93. well yes.. he is actually more of a Stalinist, just widen the mustache

[H2O Man]

25. Indeed, it does.

I assume that was one person's goal. I hope it is removed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Everybody Has Sacred Cows Except Their Sacred Cow Is Probably Different Than Their Neighbor

What vanity for any person to say they are free of any prejudices at all...

That being said I think it's silly to go out of one's way to denigrate another person's hero just for the satisfaction of doing so...


I read a bit about the Dalai Lama in the NYT and Newsweek...He has some interesting views on sexuality and homosexuality to say the least but I rather not post them and add to the flame war though I might add google is your friend


on edit- I am using the "universal" any... This is not meant as an attack on the OP... None of us are 100% color, religion, gender, or orientation blind...

[Zuiderelle]

32. That is very interesting.

http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1977

The story of our meeting with the Dalai Lama begins with an article in the February/March, 1994 issue of OUT magazine, which quoted the Dalai Lama as saying: "If someone comes to me and asks whether it is okay or not, I will first ask if you have some religious vows to uphold. Then my next question is, What is your companion's opinion? If you both agree, then I think I would say, if two males or two females voluntarily agree to have mutual satisfaction without further implication of harming others, then it is okay."

Gay men, lesbians, and others reveled in reading the OUT article. We copied the article, sent it home, sent it...everywhere! We reprinted it in community newsletters that made their way around the world. A major spiritual leader, "the favorite lama of the world" as a friend referred to him, had finally told it like it is. We thought.

But in 1996, North Atlantic Books published Beyond Dogma: Dialogues and Discourses, a collection of talks and discussions from the Dalai Lama's 1993 visit to France. On page 46 he responds to the questions, "What are proper sexual attitudes? What do you think of homosexuality, for example?" The Dalai Lama replies: "A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else....Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?"

Clear as mud.

And:

The next morning in his diplomatic suite in the Fairmount, I asked him, "If the Buddha is our teacher, where and when did he teach that homosexual partners are inappropriate, that homosexual behavior is sexual misconduct?" The Dalai Lama candidly responded, "I don't know.

During the meeting the Dalai Lama confirmed for us another sexual proscription according to Buddhist tradition: heterosexuals are prohibited from having sex more than five consecutive times with a partner. Jose Cabezon, a gay Buddhist scholar, promptly asked him, "If the purpose of the proscriptions is to reduce sexual activity, how does it make sense to allow a man to have sex with his wife up to five times a night, while saying that it is sexual misconduct for a man to have sex with another man even once in his life?"

The Dalai Lama roared with laughter, saying,"You have a point there!" Earlier he had asked all of us, "Sex is for procreation, right?" Our collective silence was our response. When I asked, "Which of the proscribed behaviors regarding partner, organ, or excessive frequency do you personally consider most important?" he responded with a thoughtful look, not saying anything."

Nice.

[cgrindley]

29. Eastern religion is just as indefensible as any other kind

the Dalai Lama is not without his glaring faults.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Yeah

That's what I was trying to say...

But I can see how folks were offended... It's just a bit ironic that some of these folks can't see how other people get offended when their sacred cows are roasted...

[youthere]

36. Agreed.

Happens all the time. If it offends me the mods better remove it or I'm going to raise hell. If it offends you then you are being too sensitive and need to lighten up.
Its the DU way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. His Views On Homosexuality Are Not Much Different Than The Catholic Church...

It's ok to be gay as long as you don't have sex...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. First mormons now buddhists?

What exactly about the Dalai Lama do you find so disagreable?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Game Set Match

I'll take the rest of the afternoon off...

I was content to let the Dalai Lama's views speak for themself on this subect:




"A sexual act is deemed proper when the couples use the organs intended for sexual intercourse and nothing else....Homosexuality, whether it is between men or between women, is not improper in itself. What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?"

-Dalai Lama

How is that all that different than Chuck D opining in a song:


Man to man
I don't know if they can
From what I know
The parts don't fit

Lyrics for which he was lambasted for in much of the liberal press...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. "Homosexuality... is not improper in itself."

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. What

What part of "What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?"" do you not understand?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

47. I don't understand how you can stretch that...

into suggesting that either Chuck D or the Dalai Lama a homophobe. Particularly when he says right there that there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I Never Use The Word Homophobe- I Prefer Conflicted- I Can't Peer Into Chuck's Or Dalai's Heart Or

Mind

The Dalai Lama has opined that "Sex is for procreation right?" and that "What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?""

and Chuck D opined that


"Man to man
I don't know if they can
From what I know
The parts don't fit"

What were they suggesting?

What parts , pray tell, don't fit, and what is the improper use of sexual organs?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. A Twofer

What part of "Sex is for procreation, right?" do you not understand?


His position is no different than the Catholic Church or even the Baptist Church...


You can be gay as long as you don't have sex with a person of your same gender...

You're just looking for a fight... If I wanted to have roasted him for his views I would I have done so...I was content to let them speak for themselves...Lots of otherwise well intentioned folks are conflicted about all kinds of subjects...

I prefer to let God sort out these mysteries of life...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. His position is considerably different than that of your church.

He said right there that's nothing wrong with homosexuality. That's considerably different.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. I'm Not Catholic

And talk about a distinction without a difference...


He said there's nothing wrong with homosexuality (but) What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?"

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. Your a christian. Same thing.

"Is this clear?"

What's clear is that he hasn't got a problem with homosexuality.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. I want to understand your position so we can explore it more...

Let me see if I have your position correct:

Chuck D has no problem with homosexuality* even though he opined:

"Man to man
I don't know if they can
From what I know
The parts don't fit"

And the Dalai Lama has no problem with homosexulaity even though he opined "Sex is for procreation right?" and that "What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?"


*Chuck D wrote those lyrics nearly twenty years ago so maybe his thinking has evolved but for the sake of this discussion we can just debate the actual text...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. Would you suggest Mark Knopfler was a homophobe?

"The little faggot with the earring and the makeup
Yeah, buddy, that's his own hair
That little faggot got his own jet airplane
That little faggot he's a millionaire"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. I Never Suggested Chuck Or Dalai Were Homophobes...

And those lyrics are so over the top that I don't know what to make of them...


But let's get back to Chuck and Dalai's statements:


"Man to man
I don't know if they can
From what I know
The parts don't fit"

What parts don't fit?


"Sex is for procreation right?" and that "What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?""


And if sex is exclusively for procreation how can same sex couples have sex?


And what organs are inappropriate for sexual contact?


You got three questions there...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. Playing dumb again, eh?

You suggested the Dalai Lama was a homophobe like noted other homophobes, and that's why he's like Hitler.

"And if sex is exclusively for procreation how can same sex couples have sex?"

In the Tibetan Buddhist philosophy which the Dalai Lama was talking about and you took out of context, same sex couples having anal sex is inappropriate. Or oral sex. Or masturbating. Or for that matter, eating a big fat bowl of ice cream with chocolate syrup. Why? Because in Tibetan Buddhist philosophy anything that's pleasurable is inappropriate. And for you to take this out of context and corrupt it into the suggestion that the Dalai Lama is a bigot is really, really intellectually dishonest.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. It Is So Uncool To Put Words In People's Mouth... So Uncool..

1) I have said several times in this thread that the attacks on the Dalai Lama are over the top... I would no more compare him with Hitler than I would compare Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, whomever with Hitler....


2) I never said or implied that Dalai and Chuck were hompohobes ...I did say they obviously have problem with the mechanics of homosexual sex... Lots of folks do...That doesn't make them homophobes...


3) I never said Dalai Lama is a homophobe but by his own words he has set up a situation where it's ok to be gay but it's not o k to have sex with a person of your own gender...

You stil haven't answered my three questions

1) What "parts" was Chuck D referring to when he opined they "don't fit"?

2) How can a man have sex with another man or a woman with another woman if sex is for procreation only?

and

3) What acts are "unnatural" and does that mean the people who perform them are "unnatural"?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. It's uncool to falsely accuse other people of bigotry.

And then play dumb.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Repeating An Opinion Doesn't Make It A Fact...

Why don't you do the honorable thing and either answer my questions or admit you have no anwsers because you have been checkmated...

We're not cherries...Everybody over the age of eleven knows exatcly what Chuck D was referring to when he said:

"Man to man
I don't know if they can
From what I know
The parts don't fit."


And you don't have to be Kinsey or Masters And Johnson to know what somebody is suggesting when they say "sex is for procreation, right? " and What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?"

This is getting redundant...

Let me make my position as Dick Nixon would say "perfectly clear"...

Lots of otherwise well intentioned folks have "problems" with the mechanics of homosexual sex... That doesn't make them homophobes... I just thought the Dalai Lama's take on homosexuality was interesting ... Ditto for Chuck D...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

69. Then what's with the Dalai Lama with a Hitler mustache?

You said it was because his position on homosexuals was like the Catholic Church's. A direct implication that he's a homophobic bigot.

"Why don't you do the honorable thing and either answer my questions or admit you have no anwsers because you have been checkmated..."

Again with the intentional obtuseness. You lost this argument from your very first post.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. You Really Should Do The Honorable Thing And Surrender ...You're Embarrassing Yourself

You declaring yourself the winner of this debate is akin to Hitler declaring himself the winner of WW 11 in April of 1945 and telling the German people their armed forces were consolidating their victories...

To the best of my knowledge the Catholic Church teaches it is ok to be homosexual as long as you don't have sex with members of your own gender; that it is proper to supress those urges...

The Dalai Lama has opined that "Homosexuality is not improper (but) What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?"


Both are saying it's ok to be gay as long as you don't have sex; with members of the same gender...


If you believe that has anything to do with putting a Hitler "moustache" on the Dalai Lama there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion...


Be a sport ...Answer the questions


1) What parts was Chuck D referring to when he opined:


"Man to man
I don't know if they can
From what I know
The parts don't fit."


2) If "sex is for procreation right?" how can same sex couples have sex?


and

3) How can a gay person express their love for their partner given the admonition that "What is improper is the use of organs already defined as inappropriate for sexual contact. Is this clear?"


If we were on another board this would be the time I would be writing

OWNED
PWNED
or
SCOREBOARD

[insane_cratic_gal]

78. Can please point out The Dali Lama is a monk

I can't be sure but I would guess is ideas on sexuality, are rather unsophisticated.

I don't' believe, and of course I can't speak for him, but he's no all gun ho about heterosexuality.

Really shouldn't be all that surprising coming from a man who indoctrinated into his religion when he was just 6.

I have great respect for the man, as a buddhist, but I don't agree with his ideas on sex.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

83. Those Are My Sentiments Exactly...

I started this thread by saying I thought the attack on him was gratuitous...It was more than gratuitous...It was mean... I then went on to say we all have our "sacred cows" and on closer inspection all our sacred cows have "flaws" and one man's "sacred cow" is another man's Big Mac...

I went on to quote his ideas on sexuality and homosexuality and the mechanics involved and opined they were "interesting"... Antique, if you will...

Another poster who was looking for a fight incorrectly, maliciously, and intentionally inferred something from my remarks that weren't there...

I would no more put a Hitler mustache on the Dalai Lama or Chuck D then I would put one on the picture of my dead father...

And the insinuation that I would is libelious....

[GOTV]

95. Food is for eating right? Is it wrong that I temporarily use a bagel as a paperweight?

I don't want to offend the bagel gods or anything.

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38. I KNEW IT WAS YOU GROVELBOT!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU DO THAT TO THE DALAI LAMA!!!!!

You have disappointed me yet again, grovelbot.

[mainegreen]

94. Grovelbot in both lama threads? You flamewhore!

:D

[JVS]

34. Is that Cher Guevarra a few spots to Adolfi Lama's right?

[JVS]

35. He eats veal and hates gays from what I've read here.

I don't care for him much, as I think this whole Free Tibet thing is a bunch of theocratic bunkum, but perhaps the sticky is too much

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

39. I Just Saw It. Kinda Funny Actually. But Obviously, It Was From Someone Who Doesn't Feel The Same

way about the Dalai Lama as you do. To each their own opinion, ya know?

[The Straight Story]

41. There was a thread in the lounge last night explaining this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=6829675

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. Whoa, wait a minute...

aren't you one of those people that gets all hot and bothered when people compare Bush to Hitler?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

67. Ummmm, Yeah, Cause Like, This Is The Same Thing And Stuff...

God you never cease to amaze me with your limitation of understanding LOL

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. What never ceases to amaze me...

is how you keep contradicting yourself.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

74. You're Really Having That Much Trouble Understanding The Difference Of The Two Scenarios, Huh.

Please don't be offended if I just sit back and

:spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[donheld]

80. OPERATIONMINDCRIME you really need to stop

Can't you see the poor guys on the bottom are desparately trying to get out from underneath the people on top who keeps spewing their drinks all over them? :) :rofl:

[Forkboy]

76. You must have won...he broke out the endless smilies in his reply.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. One Rarely Wins Anything By Displaying Monumentally Ignorant Premises. They Can, However, Be

laughed at heartily.

The latter, my friend, was the case here.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

82. Oh I can't take credit.

If Bush = Hitler = bad,

and Dalai Lama = Hitler = good

All I have to do is sit back and enjoy the cognitive dissonance.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

84. Thank You For Demonstrating To All Of Us The Simple Mindedness Of Your Logic.

Thanks for putting out there the simplistic, ignorant and fundamentally flawed logic you used to arrive at your position. It made it readily apparent why you lose debates so often, if that's the type of 3rd grade logical deduction process you use in forming your opinion. I mean, you should be embarrassed.

I'm actually not laughing at you anymore (actually, I am), now I just feel sorry for you (I do feel sorry for you, but I am actually still laughing).

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

85. If I'm wrong...

then I'm sure your superior intellect will have no problem explaining while.

I won't wait up though.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

87. It's Not My "Superior Intellect's" Ability To Explain This To You That's The Problem...

...it's your inability to understand simple concepts.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

88. OK, and if it's so simple...

then I'm sure you'll have no problem explaining it.

I'm all ears, OMC.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

89. See, That's The Problem.

"I'm all ears, OMC."

Yup. All ears but no, well, you could figure at least that much out. (Or am I overestimating you?)

:rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

90. Why are you dodging the explanation, OMC?

Can't you explain?

Chicken?

Both?

[DS1]

43. Because he personally tortures dissidents and cashes his checks from the CIA

and other such inanity

[JVS]

79. While eating veal parm sandwiches

[rucky]

45. that's probably why. n/t

[marions ghost]

49. bad boy South Park humor

no sacred cows --is the message I get...

sacred cow
–noun
an individual, organization, institution, etc., considered to be exempt from criticism or questioning.


The Dalai Lama would probably think it's funny. I mean it's like a human symbol for "good" instantly morphing into a human symbol for "evil," just by a few strokes of the pen tool. Makes me think about images and how susceptible we are to them.

Not defending this-- I understand that it would offend some people. I admire the Dalai Lama too but I'm just not very sensitive to doodle images meant for effect. Graffiti doesn't bother me. I see things everyday that offend me much more than some doodle somewhere. This reminds me of "Piss Christ" or that painting the kid did of the mayor of Chicago in womens' undies. In the end it's just a picture out of one person's head.

Here's an idea--take a poll and see how it comes out--were you offended or not? Do it democratically. If the offendeds win, take it off.

Oh wait--never mind...looks like a sex thread :popcorn:

[MrSlayer]

51. Because it's funny?

What's wrong with a little humor?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. I Guess Because Some Folks Find It Offensive

One person's sacred cow is another man's Big Mac I suppose...

[LostinVA]

58. To be a complete and utter ass

[MonkeyFunk]

66. Or...

to mock one of the silliest threads I've ever seen on DU.

[stirlingsliver]

63. Art?

Could it be Art?

Someone making a statement designed to provoke thought and discussion?

Art that is not offensive is just bland.

[slackmaster]

71. Are you sure it wasn't Phil Silvers?

[marions ghost]

72. nah

I'd know that nose with glasses anywhere...& the hat

[Forkboy]

75. Brain farts.

[JVS]

81. HEY IT'S GONE! I am so disillusioned!

[EFerrari]

86. The Dalai Lama has a great sense of humor.

I think you may be taking him more seriously than he takes himself.

[BeHereNow]

91. Oh come on...you've been here long enough to know the answer to that question.

The place is always over run with trolls when an election is near.
Screw em.
BHN

[DrunkenMaster]

97. Because there are no sacred cows

only the holy chao.

Seriously, do you have any idea how selfrighteous your question seems?

One of humor's deepest taproots is in connection with the clash of opposites. Humor and irony are destabilizing to authority as a whole, no matter how you may feel about the individual guru/prophet/politician/corporate marketer involved.

That's what humor is for. It doesn't matter if "His Holiness" is Polish or Tibetan, or if the President is American or Russian. Its very purpose is to critically offend the recipient's belief system as just another absurd and ridiculous human creation. This is where Surrealism comes from, and the righteous art of Dada.

I salute the Hiter-stached Dalai Lama.