Nancy Pelosi being attacked about her plane on the House floor RIGHT NOW ...by the FREAKIN' REPUKES!

[in_cog_ni_to]

AND whining about having to work 5 days a week!:cry:

I do hope our Dems get up and DEFEND HER!

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. This RAT BASTARD is comparing himself and his fellow repukes to Pelosi!!! THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!

I can't believe these assholes! He says he has to fly on a plane with a stop over, but is the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE???:grr:

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. Hope a Democrat requests parliamentary question to have

their words "taken down." Could get hot in the well!

[underpants]

2. Isn't that the guy who couldn't remember the Ten Commandments?

it looks like him.

[underpants]

4. Yep that's him Lynn Westmoreland - it is on his wikipedia page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Westmoreland

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. I don't know. There's now a Dem on the floor. I don't hear him defnding Nancy. He's talking about

their WHINING...and the repuke's not wanting to pass the Global Warming bill. NOW he defending Nancy and her plane! :woohoo: Bart Gordon (D) is speaking.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. I guess they missed Tony Snow's comments

that it's "silly and unfair to the speaker". Then again, they're attempting to get all of the mileage they can out of it.

[underpants]

7. Bart Gordon (D-TN) gets right up and starts talking about their "Whining"

Is saying now that they have a bill about renewable energy but instead they have to talk about this.

[fooj]

69. Good cop/bad cop

[shaniqua6392]

8. Well what about Shrub flying around in Air Force One

all the time trying to promote his agenda on our tax dollar. That friggin plane costs $6,000.00 an HOUR to fly.

[bdamomma]

apparently they said Cheney has his own plane too

is this right?

[ThomCat]

97. Yes, the VP always has his own plane too.

[bdamomma]

102. so why all the bitchin, I guess I can answer that, they are jerks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. UGGGGHHHHHHHH! Marsha Blackburn! I DETEST that wench!

Her whiny voice reminds me of Jeff Sessions! Now she's trying to debunk Global warming. G-d help her kids.:(

[underpants]

14. She's an idiot- she talked about how the earth WAS freezing in te 70's then actually said

"you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled your own set of facts"

She concludes that we are supposed to leave this Earth better than we found it (must not know about the Dominionists)

[zbdent]

10. Why wasn't it ever an issue when the Repukes were running the show?

I guess it's because Pelosi has a D after her name ... Remember the tantrum Gingrich threw when they wouldn't move his carseat up to the front seat of Air Force 1?

[Norquist Nemesis]

13. Because Dems knew that Cons would have their words taken down

and then they'ld be censure for the rest of the day. That's what I don't get!!! The Dems should have them taken down for personally attacking the Speaker!

[Catherine Vincent]

11. Repukes should be careful about all that whining.

It may wake up the American people that didn't know about all the perks these lawmakers have, and they'll want all of them to fly commercial. :)

[iconoclastic cat]

12. That crap has been roundly debunked. They're idiots. nt

[CottonBear]

15. She said, in an interview yesterday, that she was sure this was not coming from the White House.

She said that she would rather fly commercial but that she is NOT allowed to do so and must fly on a government jet because she's second in line to the presidency and her whereabouts must be known at all times and she must be able to be flown back to DC at a moments notice.

She is a very smart lady. She made the GOP house members look like asses while calmly explaining the required security measures.

FUCK the GOP and their whiney asses. :grr:

[Democrat 4 Ever]

18. Now NC Virginia Fox whining about having to work all week.

If the Dems don't shut this BS down I am going to throw a shoe through the TV.

Just wish one Dems would shut the place down if all they are going to do is allow the Rethugs tell lie after lie. I am so sick of this crap.

[CottonBear]

25. Virginia Fox is simply awful. She is such a goddamn chickenhawk.

McHenry is probably taking lessons from her.

Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) gets a lot of whining airtime too. She and Fox are Faux News faves. :puke:

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Virginia Fox (repuke NC) bitchin' about Nancy's plane.

The nerve of these freakin' assholes! Why weren't they bitchin' and complaining about Hastert's plane??

The House floor should be FLOODING the floor to defend their Speaker!!! Where are they?

[barb162]

27. Hastert had to have his own plane because if he sat on a

commercial plane he would have made it lopsided and unpleasant for all because of his weight and girth.

[bananarepublican]

167. The airconditioning on a commercial jet couldn't stay on top of his BO either! n/t

[CTyankee]

169. Oh god, can you imagine having to sit next to that fat bastard?

Seats are cramped enough to begin with. But to have this big, hulking tub of sh*t breathing in your space is a hideous thought.

[libnnc]

84. How much do taxpayers have to shell out for Virginia

to stand on the damn floor of the House and crow about damn Appalachian State football every fucking year? That's all she ever talks about.



She's a fucking disgrace.

[Double T]

17. Nancy Pelosi set HERSELF up for this one; the aircraft she wants......

is EXCESSIVE when a much smaller aircraft and flight crew would meet her needs.

[sharp_stick]

21. huh?

perhaps a reading of the full story is in order.

[Beaverhausen]

22. The House Sargent at Arms is the one insisting on this plane

haven't you been paying attention? Geez.

[Double T]

41. Speaker Pelosi should have immediately said that the aircraft........

was EXCESSIVE and took the initiative to utilize something smaller.

[Beaverhausen]

43. She did- there are security reasons for her to have this plane

This isn't her decision. She is 2nd in line to the presidency and as such has to have more strict security.

OK? Got it now?

[Double T]

98. This CERTAINLY is the Speaker's decision and their is plenty.........

of political wrangling going on to make certain the Speaker gets what she wants.

[Tempest]

107. How is this the speaker's decision?

The decision was made by the executive office for security purposes.

While you're at it, provide a name of a military plane available that will fly non-stop across country smaller than the C-32 as you've been requested by several posters.

[Beaverhausen]

134. I heard from her own mouth that she would fly commercial if it was allowed

[Taoschick]

172. She is allowed

She has to use commercial and/or private aircraft for any "political" trips (fundraising) and for vacations/retreats. This was all just a way to give Hastert a government plane to fly home and back and now they're extending it to Speaker Pelosi. It really has nothing to do with security or they'd require it for every flight she takes. They can set aside the Gulfstream III for the Speaker since it was used for that purpose before. If due to the weight/passenger load/headwinds the flight needs to refuel, there are plenty of military bases that are secure for her plane to land.

[Tempest]

179. You're wrong

According to an Executive Order signed by Bush after 9/11, all heads of the government are required to fly in military jets for security reasons.

Hastert used a military jet for ALL his trips.


Also, she can use the military plane for political trips. She just has to refund the government for the cost. Any member of Congress can do this.

[Taoschick]

191. Actually, that's not quite true

The use of a military aircraft was given to the Speaker after 9/11 with certain restrictions. One of them is a prohibition against use for personal trips. When the Speaker is traveling to and from her district, she is on government business. When they are going to retreats or fundraisers, it is personal.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "heads of government" stuff since we don't have a parlimentary system. Personally, I think Hastert was given the privilege as a payoff from the administration. In my opinion, it was unnecessary for him and it's unnecessary for Speaker Pelosi. Why stop there? Senator Byrd is 3rd in line to the Presidency. He doesn't have his own aircraft.

[Tempest]

58. There's nothing available that's smaller

And can still fly non-stop to the west coast.

[Tempest]

26. PELOSI DID NOT REQUEST THE PLANE

The plane was requested by the Senate's Sergeant at Arms.

Pelosi said she would fly ANY plane, including commercial, as long as it flew non-stop.

The C-20 doesn't.

[Double T]

37. Then that is what she should do; fly commercial non-stop..........

and set an example.

[CottonBear]

39. She is not allowed to fly on commercial airlines. n/t

[Double T]

55. A much smaller aircraft with flight crew would truly meet her needs........

how can you support the Speaker flying with her entourage on a plane the size of a Boeing 757 with a flight crew of 16??

[Tempest]

60. Name a smaller military plane that can fly non-stop to the west coast

Capt. Herb McConnell, the spokesman for the 89th Airlift wing at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, said the C-20 is sometimes "able to make a coast-to-coast flight at times during the year, but not when there are strong headwinds such as during the winter."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id=5014655

[Justitia]

89. That is RW disinformation (757 w/crew of 16). Quit spreading it. -eom

[Tempest]

105. What are you talking about?

It is a fact from the air force and has nothing to do with RW disinformation.

It clearly points out that the plane Hastert used is not sufficient for Pelosi's use.

[Justitia]

142. She asked for a coast-to-coast plane (there are 3). Repub Blunt started the 757 smear.

House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., seems to be the one who first publicly raised the notion that the plane Pelosi requested is the C-32.

"I understand on this particular airplane there is a bedroom," Blunt said.

"I hadn't heard that," Putnam said.

"There is a stateroom," Blunt said. "It is kind of a flying Lincoln bedroom."

A Blunt aide said he first heard that the plane Pelosi requested had a bedroom on CNN's "Lou Dobbs" Monday evening. "She could take a circus with her, for crying out loud," Dobbs said.

A Democratic aide maintained that this was all nonsense.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2857672&page=4

[Tempest]

163. According to your cite

Lou Dobbs is the one who started the smear.

[Justitia]

166. Here's the CNN transcript. Neither a "757" or "C-32" was mentioned.

But yes, it was Lisa Sylvester who gave specs of a plane that would be similar in size to a C-32 and Dobbs hyped it up.

I wonder where Lisa Sylvester got this unsubstantiated info?? Even though later in her same report she even says that all Pelosi asked for was a coast-to-coast aircraft.

Dobbs incorrectly stated that Hastert's old plane could make the trip.

See, lots of twisting and turning going on there.

Blunt jumped on that and turned it into a luxury 757.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/05/ldt.01.html

[Taoschick]

173. Hastert's old plane

Was a Gulfstream III. It most certainly CAN make the trip. The only problem they might encounter is if she has filled every seat and they have strong headwinds. Even then, it can still make the trip but it might have to stop at a military base and refuel.

Big deal. I'd put up with that "inconvenience" for a free coast to coast trip on demand.

[Justitia]

182. So why did Hastert even get a plane in the 1st place? In TX, that's Amarillo to Austin.

Our legislators drive that from the panhandle.
WTF was he doing w/a luxury jet?

[Double T]

109. After plowing through the MOUNTAINS of BS regarding THIS ISSUE.......

I think you will find THIS information is true.

[Justitia]

144. Nope, a RW smear. See my post just above about Republican Blunt. -eom

[CTyankee]

170. Maybe a big plane is needed to carry the fuel load necessary for a nonstop

trip across the country. That kinda makes sense to me.

[Tempest]

180. Well, according to him

A smaller plane can fly 5,000 miles without refueling.

He's yet to say which plane can accomplish such a feat.

[LanternWaste]

181. "Entourage"?

"Entourage"? Does that actaully mean "staff", or is there an implication I'm missing?

[Justitia]

183. oh, I don't think you missed anything. -eom

[LanternWaste]

189. As an aside...

Hey! I thought *I* was only the Democrat left in TX after Gov. Richards & Molly Ivins passed. We're gonna hafta watch each other's backs, yaknow...

:)

[Justitia]

190. Yes, we Texas Dems gotta stick together, we're a tough breed.

It's all that guerilla training from the local republican menace.

:hi:

[Tempest]

57. She CAN'T fly commercial

She was flying commercial before she became the third most important person in our government.

Because of government rules created after 9/11, she can't fly commercial.

[Virginia Dare]

90. I think shrub should dump his secret service detail too..

along with Pickles and the twins, you know, set an example. I also think a good example set would be for Dick Cheney to take down the anti-missile launcher from his private residence.

[Double T]

106. The second sentence I agree with............

Washington D.C. excess is bringing 'us' down and taking 'us' out.

[pa28]

171. Ultimately it's up to her.

She can take the plane if she wants but I don't think she is required to based on the Sergeant at Arms suggestion.

For me, I feel I have to take this position because I complained about Hastert setting the precedent of flying in government aircraft. I said it was a smokescreen for perks, unnecessarily expensive and giving into terrorist by letting fear dictate your plans.

[VP505]

31. HA HA HA

did anyone see Barney Frank, he stands up and says "I was walking by and all I heard was, "DE-PLANE, DE-PLAN DE-PLANE BOSS"! any way I agree Pelosi set he self up for this but that still dosen't excuse the hypocritical crap the RePukes are whining about.

[CottonBear]

34. Speaker Pelosi did not "set her self up" for anything. n/t

[Double T]

66. Agreed. The Speaker is getting SOME cover from the WH.........

BUT the WH crew blows money like a bunch of drunken cowboys on paycheck friday.

[redqueen]

74. Did you get around to reading the info posted?

Is it all cleared up for you now?

[WinkyDink]

33. Will a smaller one fly non-stop cross-country?

[Tempest]

36. Not always

Capt. Herb McConnell, the spokesman for the 89th Airlift wing at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, said the C-20 is sometimes "able to make a coast-to-coast flight at times during the year, but not when there are strong headwinds such as during the winter."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id=5014655

[Justitia]

59. ...and they are required by law to land w/a certain amount of reserved fuel. -eom

[Double T]

73. Yes, a smaller aircraft has greater than 5,000 mile range without refueling.

[Justitia]

81. Really? Which military aircraft is that? -eom

[Tempest]

That's twice

This is the second request made of him to provide the name of a smaller military aircraft that will fly non-stop across country.

[Justitia]

96. I'm loving the claim a smaller plane can fly over 5,000 mi w/out refueling. -eom

[MiniMe]

148. See the post a few posts down, this tool thinks that a gulfstream would do

[Double T]

162. For your info..........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=157510&mesg_id=157825

[Tempest]

184. No where does it say

A Gulfstream will go 5,000 miles without refueling.

[Double T]

129. Boy, you people are demanding.................

Here you GO, specifications and all.....
ON EDIT FURTHER SUPPORT OF MY POSITION: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=157510&mesg_id=157825

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Gulfstream IV/G400/G450
Gulfstream G400
Type Business jet
Manufacturer Gulfstream Aerospace
Status Active service
Primary user United States Air Force
Unit cost $36 million (1998 constant dollars)
Developed from Gulfstream III
Variants Gulfstream V/G500/G550

The Gulfstream IV (or G-IV) and derivatives are a family of private jet aircraft produced by Gulfstream Aerospace, Savannah, Georgia, a General Dynamics company. The G-IV was later remarketed as the G300 refined as the G350. The Gulfstream IV-SP is a longer-ranged variant. It was relabeled as the G400, and subsequently refined into the G450. The C-20G Gulfstream IV is the military variant.
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* 1 History
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* 4 External links
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History

The Gulfstream G400 was formerly marketed as the Gulfstream IV-SP. It has a large cabin, long range of 4350 nautical miles (8060 km) and the same comfort and design that characterize the G series. Typical cruise height and speed are 45,000 ft and Mach 0.88. It costs about $36 million at 2004 prices (leasing is also an option). The replacement for this jet, the G450, has better performance and comes with Honeywell's next generation Primus Epic Avionic Suite, a Honeywell Visual Guidance System (an advanced HUD), the Gulfstream Enhanced Vision System (EVS) and Goodrich Electronic Standy Instruments.

The military variant of the IV, designated C-20G Gulfstream IV in Department of Defense service, may be configured for cargo operations, passenger operations or combinations of the two. With passengers seats removed, it may be modified to the following configurations: three pallets/no passengers, two pallets/eight passengers, and one pallet/fourteen passengers. With a full complement of seats installed, the aircraft is capable of accommodating up to twenty-six passengers and a crew of four. A hydraulically-operated cargo door is installed on the starboard side of the aircraft, and a ball roller cargo floor is capable of accommodating palletized cargo. C-20G aircraft are operated Fleet Logistics Support Squadron Four Eight (VR-48) and Marine Air Support Detachment (MASD) at Naval Air Facility, Andrews Air Force Base, Washington, DC and at Fleet Logistics Support Wing Detachment, Marine Corps Base Hawaii.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) operates a IV-SP modified to fly scientists and crew members at 45,000 feet around the tropical cyclone environment. The purpose of which is to drop many instruments called "dropsondes" to measure the windspeed, barometric pressure, humidity, and temperature as they fall to the surface of the ocean. By sampling the tropical cyclone environment with these dropsondes over a 4,000 mile track around the active hurricane, the forecasters at NOAA's National Hurricane Center and Hurricane Research Division can better predict where the hurricane will be "steered" by the upper level winds. They can also predict wind shear that will either increase or decrease a hurricane's strength. For the current mission, the G-IV SP performs flawlessly since it is capable of relatively quick speeds and can fly long distances with ample cabin space for the crew and instruments.<1>

In 1990, Gulfstream CEO Allen E. Paulson and a Gulfstream flight crew set 35 international records for around-the-world flight in a Gulfstream IV.

Operators

* Military operators include Botswana, Egypt, Ireland, Ivory Coast, Japan, Netherlands, Sweden, Turkey, Pakistan, United States Department of Defense and constituent armed services.
* NOAA operates a single IV-SP.

Specifications (G-IV)
General characteristics

* Crew: two pilots
* Capacity: up to 19 passengers
* Length: 88 ft 4 in (26.92 m)
* Wingspan: 77 ft 10 in (23.72 m)
* Height: 24 ft 5 in (7.45 m)
* Wing area: 950 ft² (88.3 m²)
* Empty weight: 35,500 lb (16,100 kg)
* Max takeoff weight: 73,200 lb (33,200 kg)
* Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce Tay Mk.618 turbofans, 13,850 lbf (61.6 kN) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: 459 knots (527 mph, 850 km/h)
* Cruise speed: 459 knots (527 mph,850 km/h)
* Range: 4,872 miles (7,815 km)
* Service ceiling: 45000 ft (41000 m)
* Rate of climb: 4,000 ft/min (1,220 m/min)
* Wing loading: lb/ft² (kg/m²)

External links

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* G450 Web Site

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[MiniMe]

145. Wow, I didn't know that a gulfstream was a military plane.

And that Airforce pilots were qualified to fly one. You learn something new every day. And where would they get the Gulfstream, since the Airforce doesn't currently have one. Oh, I got it, you are advocating that the government BUY a gulfstream for Nancy. Ahem, Talk about buying trouble.

[Double T]

157. The military ALREADY has a large fleet of these Gulfstream jets.........

including many of the VIP versions used for VIP military and governmental transport.

[Justitia]

147. Sorry, not only is that plane larger than Denny's, it still does not go 5000+.

Wanna try again or just concede you might have been wrong?

[Double T]

161. YOU included the qualifier 'MILITARY' aircraft............

* Range: 4,872 miles (7,815 km) even with your qualifier, this aircraft is ONLY 29 range miles short. This aircraft will certainly fly non-stop from Washington, D.C. to San Fransisco with plenty of fuel to spare.

[Justitia]

164. YOU stated a range greater than 5000. She is required to fly via military transport.

When I saw your rather strident criticism of the Speaker based on what amounted to RW hyperbole, I wanted to set the record straight with the facts.

Sometimes we repeat things without realizing WHO put this stuff out in the atmosphere and when we nail down the true version of reality, they normally vaporize.

I don't want people reading this forum to mistakenly believe that there was anything of any veracity to this smear job.

[Double T]

140. See #129 Response

[Justitia]

150. Sorry, still not correct. That plane is bigger and cannot do 5000+.

[redqueen]

87. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=157510&mesg_id=157825

[librechik]

82. Her needs were never personal--the SS, Air Force and Seargeant atArms

determine which aircraft is used for the Speaker of the House's security.

SHE NEVER ASKED!! GET IT STRAIGHT!! The Seargeant of Arms assumed she would need the same securoty and cortesy that hastert got. THAT IS ALL!!!

[Alamom]

176. You'll have to YELL ! No one is getting it. It's been posted over &

over since last week.

THE PLANE WAS CHOSEN FOR HER - DISTANCE AND SECURITY CONSIDERED FOR SECOND IN LINE TO THE PRESIDENCY.

[librechik]

178. I'm so sorry I blew a fuse

but you know what I mean...

[Alamom]

194. I do know. We need to be yelling as long as this BIG LIE is told. n/t

[bdamomma]

99. she did not pick the plane the defense dept. picked it for her.

that's what I heard on AAR today, Sam Seder I think.

[smoogatz]

130. There's no issue. Who cares what size plane she flies in?

It's Clinton's $600 haircut all over again. Who gives a fuck, when Bush has squandered a trillion fucking dollars in Iraq and bankrupted the treasury, what fucking kind of plane Nancy Pelosi flies home in for the weekends? Jesus freaking Christ on a cracker.

[Tempest]

185. Can I get an AMEN, BROTHER!

Thank you!

[Justitia]

187. Oh, they could give her the C37A & call it a day, but the Pentagon wouldn't get to embarrass her.

This little drama courtesy of FOR (friends of Rummy), is a nice public annoyance to dog the Speaker for awhile.

Do they (the Pentagon) ALWAYS go around informing the RW media about everyone's defense dept transportation?

[underpants]

19. Gordon reading Tony Snow's comments

The argument by the Republicans about how much of a waste this is is surreal

[underpants]

23. McHenry interrupts twice-they are trying to make this about global warning

Gordon is being sarcastic as hell right back at them

Quotes Barney Frank "I can read for you but I can't make you understand"

Offers to read the WH statement again.

[underpants]

29. Barney Franks is HILARIOUS

Says he was walking by and thought he heard someone saying "THE PLANE ! THE PLANE BOSS!" and he wanted to check out what was going on.

[underpants]

50. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) "This can't possibly be their best!" REPUBLIC PARTY

He tore them apart (do nothing congress, money wasted in Iraq with no oversight, spending out of control, etc) and he keeps referring to them as the REPUBLIC party

[louis-t]

135. FANTASTIC! I have been waiting for a Dem to say 'republic'

party. Hope it catches on.

[wryter2000]

153. Did Barney say that today?

"I can read it for you, but I can't make you understand."

Barney's on a tear today. :rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Gordon just read Tony Snow statement!

damn repukes are so pathetic! They know what Tony Snow said and DON'T CARE!

OMG!!!!! Patrick McHENRY just interrupted Gordon. That little SOB needs to be DECKED!!!

[kskiska]

24. What was Tom DeLay's mode of transportation?

[Beaverhausen]

49. He wasn't speaker of the house

[kskiska]

53. That's the point I'm making

He wasn't even the speaker, but I'll bet he didn't fly coach.

[Justitia]

he flew on lobbyists planes, including RJR Reynolds (tobacco lobby). -eom

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. LOL!! Bwahahahahahahahaha! Barnie Frank just popped in and said,

"I don't mean to interrupt, but I thought I heard someone say Da Plane! Da Plane!" :rofl:

[Kadie]

30. ROFL

:rofl:

[EVDebs]

86. And when Nancy shows her claws, R's will run for the hills ! nt

[WinkyDink]

32. Terry of Nebraska (R) asserting extortion.

[Tempest]

35. Hastert's plane cannot always fly non-stop

Capt. Herb McConnell, the spokesman for the 89th Airlift wing at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, said the C-20 is sometimes "able to make a coast-to-coast flight at times during the year, but not when there are strong headwinds such as during the winter."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id=5014655

[stonecoldsober]

54. But he was only going to Illinois, not coast-to-coast

[Tempest]

63. That's the point

Capt. Herb McConnell, the spokesman for the 89th Airlift wing at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, said the C-20 is sometimes "able to make a coast-to-coast flight at times during the year, but not when there are strong headwinds such as during the winter."
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_world&id=5014655

[stonecoldsober]

141. I guess I'm missing your point

although I'm sure i'd probably agree with it...

[wryter2000]

154. You're agreeing with each other.

:thumbsup:

[stonecoldsober]

155. Whew! Thanks!!

[Justitia]

65. Yup, and he could have done it in a whirlybird or turboprop. Why'd he get a jet? -nt

[Pirate Smile]

72. Info from Talking Points Memo:

Late Update: TPM Reader JT from the airline industry writes in to say: "I work with aircraft logistics situations all the time. Having a plane that can make it to a destination non-stop (but only if conditions are right) is a nightmare for planning. It means you don't know if you need to plan for another hour on the ground for the fuelstop until a few hours before the flight. And the weather looked good yesterday but doesn't look good today. And (as you noted), if there's a lengthy ground hold before the flight, you'll make the stop regardless of weather. You would almost rather have a plane that definitely needed a fuel stop so you could at least plan around it."

Later Update: TPM Reader JT checks in again ...

In reading further about the planes… Hastert had a “C-20”… another name for a Gulfstream business jet. Assuming Hastert has the C-20A version, this would be like a Gulfstream II (able to make Illinois non-stop… but sometimes may not make it nonstop to California.
Pelosi wants a non-stop to California plane. Terrific… upgrade her to the C-20H. This is the Gulfstream IV equivalent. It’s basically the same size plane but has the range she wants.

Republicans are accusing her (per ABC article) that she wants the C-32. This is equivalent to a Boeing 757 which holds as many as 200+ passengers in all coach configuration. If this is what she truly requested, this is indeed a giant step up from what Hastert had been using.

Point #3 is the kicker. If she wants to go from Gulfstream to Boeing 757, that is quite a leap. If she just wants nonstop, give her the Gulfstream IV equivalent and be done with it.


-- Josh Marshall

[Tempest]

78. She never requested a C-32

She never made a request for any particular plane.

She said she would fly any plane that would go non-stop. Including a commercial plane.

[Pirate Smile]

88. I know. I was just giving some info on how a plane that could, sometimes,

if the weather is just right, make it to California would not be the type of plane that pilots and planners would want.

[Taoschick]

175. The only problem is,

Andrews doesn't have any C-20Hs. Hastert used a C-20b. The other available aircraft are a C-32, C-40B and C-37A. Since the C-20b was already pretty much taken out of the fleet, keep it for use with the Speaker.

[Justitia]

186. So why not give her the C 37A which is more efficient anyway? And could do the N/S.

Why the fuck is the pentagon trotting out this little drama to embarrass the Speaker when they could just give her the correct fucking plane and be done with it?

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. (D) Gene Green up now..he has never seen such a display on the floor as he has seen today.

He's pointing out the statement from the WH. He's pointing out the DOUBLE STANDARD..Hastert had a plane too.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. FUCKER! Phil Gingrey now attacking Pelosi!

I really hate these fuckers!:grr:

[Norquist Nemesis]

42. Call Hoyer's office! Time for him to step up to the plate!

Have them take down these people and shut them up for the rest of day over personal attacks. It's not allowed and would never be tolerated by the Cons if the situation were reversed.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. (D) Anthony Weiner NY is now defending Nancy. He's pointing out everything the Dems have

accomplished. "The repukes want to spend an afternoon arguing with the WH over the Speaker's security??" :) He's really laying into them!

[doublethink]

45. THE REPUBLIC PARTY ....... 5 times and counting!!!!11

:rofl:

[VP505]

48. 7 Times

and counting, LOL, love it!

[Pirate Smile]

79. That was great.

:D

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. I noticed!

:rofl:

he's ROCKIN' THE HOUSE!

[CottonBear]

61. Which Dem is saying this! I love it! About damn time! n/t

[doublethink]

71. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)

It was great. Between that and Barney Frank coming down the Isle and stating "Boss da Plane! Da Plane!" showing these republics how silly they are. Too funny .....

[City Lights]

152. OMFG!

Did Frank really do that? Wish I'd seen that. :rofl:

[WinkyDink]

46. HAHA! Rep. Weiner (D-NY) just said "Republic Party"!!

[RSchewe]

47. Anthony Weiner (D-NY), calling the Republicans the "Republic" party n/t

[jollyreaper2112]

92. well

To be fair, the Republicans do fly on smaller aircraft.

[wryter2000]

156. LMAO

:rofl:

[Cassandra]

139. He's a good guy.

I think I voted for him in the primary for mayor but he came in fourth. He used to work for Schumer, which accounts, in part, for his dogged style. He's a bit too center for me but I like some of his positions and he speaks his mind.

[mvd]

52. I've said what I wanted to say here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2722525&mesg_id=2722770

At least the Democrats are standing up for her. Seems like the corporate media spends more time on Pelosi than any of Bush's crimes combined.

[RSchewe]

56. I see a word they have adopted for this is "EXTRAVAGANT". Take a shot each time you hear it. n/t

[underpants]

67. Rohrabacher now using this to argue that Global Warming doesn't exist

[liberalhistorian]

62. Let's see, too many Katrina victims

still don't have homes, New Orleans is still a third-world area, and this asshat is obsessing over the amenities of a fucking plane ride? Typical fucking clueless, heartless repub. Disgusting.

And complaining about a 5-day week? LOL. Maybe he should try working at a REAL job like most Americans have to do. What a fucking asshat joke.

[emulatorloo]

64. Unlike the republics, Nancy doesn't have an ABRAMOFF to fly her around n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Ah, GEEZ...Rohrbacher is up. :( Now he's bashing her too.

Bastard. "She's commandeering a HUGE government plane." What-an-ass.

Now he's calling Global Warming bogus. Reject the alarm-ism.:grr:

[doublethink]

76. "Commandeering" ....... why didn't he just use "Hijack"?

OMG the Republic party sure likes to put thing's into perspective. :eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

132. LOL! I KNOW!

I'm sure he would have said 'Hijack', but his little pea brain didn't think of it.:7

[Virginia Dare]

160. Where was he when the chimp commandeered one of our

military planes for his mission accomplished photo-op? :eyes:

[A HERETIC I AM]

188. He commandeered an entire damned Aircraft Carrier!

That stunt was promoted as the Chimpster supposedly flying out to sea to meet the crew and sail into port with them. Thing is, an Aircraft Carrier can cover better than 750 miles in 24 hours at full speed. By the time the Idiot in Chief got into the airplane that flew him out ot the carrier, the ship WAS ALREADY IN SIGHT OF SAN DIEGO! They literally had to steam in circles to facilitate that stupid photo op. Not to mention the crew had been on at least a 6 month cruise and were held up getting home to their families so Bush could wear a codpiece and be seen getting out of a Navy jet.

I remember reading somewhere that the cameras that filmed that event were placed in such a way as to not show the Southern California coastline in order to provide the illusion they were hundreds of miles out. The ship was in fact only about 30 miles out.

[spanone]

70. I see a pattern here in Congress. If you're in the minority do whatever to fuck-up the majority.

Now that's bipartasanship.

:sarcasm:

[WinkyDink]

85. Too bad we didn't do it before.

[dogday]

116. That's was their pattern when they were the Majority

Let's face it, they do this crap all the time regardless... Whoever yells the loudest, throw it all out there and hopefully some of the crap will stick.... They use it over and over....

[librechik]

124. gee why didn't we think of that?

could it be we just want to do the best for the country rather than waste our time with childish gotcha games?

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. (D) NH Shea-Porter up defending Pelosi. "This is the party who refused to check

the containerss that come into this country. Stop the bickering." She was awesome!

[spanone]

80. Whose the ass-wipe arguing with her? What an asshole.

[wryter2000]

159. This is turning out to be a good think, maybe

The Republicrites (from another thread today) are vomitting all over the place, and our Dems are rubbing their noses in it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. Shea-Poretr...We need to get on with the business of Global warming and stop worrying about a plane.

"We need to stop wasting time and start earning our paychecks."

[mvd]

83. Woohoo!

Looks like she's a great addition to the Congress. :applause:

[redqueen]

93. I sure hope the media covers this debacle.

What a shameless display of dumbassery by the republics! True to form...

[Janice325]

91. These Repukes are just pathetic.

All this kafuffle (sp?) would be hysterically funny if it wasn't so sad and transparent.
Fucking bastards!
This one Repuke guy just referred to Pelosi as "he," then corrected himself and said "she."
I certainly hope most Americans are smarter than these thugs and don't buy into this tripe.
Hey, Repukes! How does it feel to be in the minority?

[redqueen]

95. most Americans won't notice...

most get their news from sources which still think it's 'bad form' to tell the truth to the American public

[in_cog_ni_to]

94. (R) Shadegg had the NERVE to complain about the minority party being treated badly???!@#$%

OMG..the HYPOCRISY of these people is astounding!

[in_cog_ni_to]

100. Shadegg is threatening this kind of SHIT because they aren't getting their way in the House! He just

now THREATENED the Democrats with this kind of debate UNLESS they get their way!!!! OMG! What a fucking BABY!!!!

[RSchewe]

101. This is a who's-who of wack job Republics they are parading out there. n/t

[SeattleGirl]

103. "Republic Party" said yet again!

:rofl:

[WinkyDink]

104. Weiner is just so COOL, repeating "Republic"! Get it out there, Anthony!

[OxQQme]

123. 46 seat 'JUMBO' jet....bwaahaahaa

some dipstick just had the huevos to call the jet a jumbo.

[Quiet_Dem_Mom]

108. 363 TONS of $100 bills disappear into the ether...and the R's whine about a plane?

Where's their outrage about the billions of dollars that was flown into Iraq and never accounted for???

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/06/iraq.cash.reut/index.html


:banghead:

[bdamomma]

110. repigs what a bunch of whiny ass babies.

I hope Steny comes out to defend her.

[bmcatt]

113. The folks out there seem to be doing a bang-up job already

And I'm sitting here laughing like a crazy person every time I hear "Republic Party". It's just too sweet a dig and you have to know that they're sitting over there grinding their teeth at how bad it sounds. Ahh... Payback's a bitch, isn't it, you whiners?

[in_cog_ni_to]

111. Gordon pointed out the repuke's hypocricy...they were given a budget with a a projected

surplus and turned it into a huge deficit and they are complaining about our SPEAKERS security and a plane?


Manzullo (R) saying this is all about saving our taxpayer's money!:rofl::rofl: OMG...now he's whining about being picked on by Congressman Weiner. He said something unkind about the repukes. Now he's whining about having to work 5 Days a week!:rofl: BABY! He's BITCHIN' about working 5 days a week and on the other hand saying he wants to save taxpayer's money??? Maybe we should dock their pay when they aren't in DC??? How would he like THAT kind of savings plan?

[WinkyDink]

112. That last R actually said, "Democratic". Heh, heh.

[SeattleGirl]

115. I noticed that too.

:rofl:

[A wise Man]

114. Will somebody please

tell these bastards to sit down and shut-up. That little putz McHenry needs my foot up his rookie ass. These repugs have a lot of nerve to turn any reasonable debate on more serious issues to Nancy Pelosi's needs awarded the same privilages as Dennis Hastard. Enough of this s_ _ t. For all of you spying rethugs that read in to this blogg DU, you people are to be ashame to be a republican. These arguments are totally ridiculous. They refuse to debate the war but relish debating Pelosi riding a plane. If I had a bat I'd run through that house like a crazied maniac, beating each rethug within an inch of they're life. Sick, sick, sick.

[in_cog_ni_to]

118. Honestly, I don't know how our Dems refrain from

beating the living shit out of those repuke rat bastards. Patrick McHenry is the most SMUG, HATEFUL, ARROGANT, COCKY little shit and deserves to have your bat across his sorry ass.

[A wise Man]

120. I've been looking

at this crap for more than an hour. It's as if i'm looking at a version of the Twilight Zone. I've been angry before, but this takes the cake. I'm for plain old fashion "KICK THE MF'RS ASS",EXCUSE MY FRENCH.

[bmcatt]

122. Where's Samuel L Jackson when you need him?

"I'm tired of these M'F'ing Republics talking about this M'F'ing plane!"

[A wise Man]

133. Lord help me

if I ever come across these idiots. Their stinking party is more important to them than the country they live in.

[dogday]

117. Piss Nancy off and see what she puts on the table..

Shouldn't mess with Mother Nancy.....

[bdamomma]

119. our troops are dying and we have a madman in office

and these jerks are worried about not being treated right, it's all about them huh, whining about someone's plane. Nothing like setting your priorities.

[SeattleGirl]

121. They truly are hypocrites, too, whining about the Dems not being

fiscally responsible. Jeebus! These are the people who rubber stamp anything and everything Chimpy wants, leading us into the biggest deficit evah, and now they're all up in arms about a plane??????? :grr:

[bdamomma]

128. like I said whiny ass babies, they are there to do OUR WORK

they are like children, geez, this is so stupid talking about a plane.

[in_cog_ni_to]

125. Oh man...a (R) from Texas...Ralph Hall.."the only airplane I want to be thinking about is the one

I want to be on going back to Texas." Hmmm. Sounds like a reasonable repuke? He likes Bart Gordon (D) He wrote Bart a letter and the best way to get their bill to the floor is not under a open rule. He's mad about the procedures the Dems are using...THE SAME ONE THE REPUKES USED ALL THE TIME. Karma baby! Now he's complaining about having to stay in DC to work. He says she's entitled to her plane. he's mad about the arguing and not being able to go home. LOL!

[SeattleGirl]

127. Poor babies. They actually have to WORK.

They can't sit around watching the soaps and eating bonbons in the lap of luxury like the rest of us. :sarcasm:

[bdamomma]

131. they still want to be DO NOTHING CONGRESS.

these repukes are totally detached from the people, can you imagine if we the people did something they would run away like the cowards they are.

[SeattleGirl]

136. You bet they would!

They're not only chickenhawks, they are chickenshits, too.

[SharonAnn]

126. Martin Hall (R) supporting Pelosi and plane. There's important work to do.

[RSchewe]

143. They must have run out of goons to continue the nonsense. n/t

[madfloridian]

137. Has red-headed Putnam been on today bloviating?

Let me know...just in the mood to call his office.

[in_cog_ni_to]

146. You mean Howdie Doodie? No, he didn't get up and whine today.

:)

[lpbk2713]

193. Opie's probably doing photo-ops up in Lake County.

Those poor folks probably don't know yet how bad they're going to be shafted by FEMA.

[stonecoldsober]

138. The PUKES are voting against the amendment by party line vote!

What was so controversial about it? These PUKES just want to be contrary for purely political reasons! BASTARDS!

[Marie26]

149. Is this even a bill?

Why are they whining about this on the House floor?

[BattyDem]

151. Couldn't a Dem have the House Sergeant at Arms ...

speak and tell the idiots that he is responsible for the plane? I know ... the Repugs already know that, but it would play well on CSPAN and show the public how ridiculous the GOP is being. If he's not allowed to speak on the floor, perhaps they can read an official statement from the Sergeant at Arms.

[judaspriestess]

158. back in the reagan days didn't sununu take vactions flying

around in goverment planes?

[slackmaster]

165. So much hot air cannot be good for the Global Warming situation

They should all just teleconference this from home.

[Earth_First]

168. However Crashcart Dick Cheney...

travels around with a fully equipped advanced life support medical transport, a team of licensed nurses and a licensed cardiac surgeon.

I'm sure that costs pennies a day. :eyes:

[spanone]

174. 4 BILLION a week in Iraq, & they're suddenly appalled at the COST?

Halliburton steals more than that an hour.

Hey Republicons....FUCK YOU.

[Rose Siding]

177. You'd think she'd asked for a multi-agency convoy detail to take a bike ride or something

instead of following the advice of the House Sgt at Arms.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

192. We're backed to scorched earth politics by the Repubs....

n/t