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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:02 PM
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Chris Hedges: The war in Iraq is about to get worse—much worse.
Beyond Disaster

Posted on Aug 6, 2007
By Chris Hedges



The war in Iraq is about to get worse—much worse. The Democrats’ decision to let the war run its course, while they frantically wash their hands of responsibility, means that it will sputter and stagger forward until the mission collapses. This will be sudden. The security of the Green Zone, our imperial city, will be increasingly breached. Command and control will disintegrate. And we will back out of Iraq humiliated and defeated. But this will not be the end of the conflict. It will, in fact, signal a phase of the war far deadlier and more dangerous to American interests.

Iraq no longer exists as a unified country. The experiment that was Iraq, the cobbling together of disparate and antagonistic patches of the Ottoman Empire by the victorious powers in the wake of World War I, belongs to the history books. It will never come back. The Kurds have set up a de facto state in the north, the Shiites control most of the south and the center of the country is a battleground. There are 2 million Iraqis who have fled their homes and are internally displaced. Another 2 million have left the country, most to Syria and Jordan, which now has the largest number of refugees per capita of any country on Earth. An Oxfam report estimates that one in three Iraqis are in need of emergency aid, but the chaos and violence is so widespread that assistance is impossible. Iraq is in a state of anarchy. The American occupation forces are one more source of terror tossed into the caldron of suicide bombings, mercenary armies, militias, massive explosions, ambushes, kidnappings and mass executions. But wait until we leave.

It was not supposed to turn out like this. Remember all those visions of a democratic Iraq, visions peddled by the White House and fatuous pundits like Thomas Friedman and the gravel-voiced morons who pollute our airwaves on CNN and Fox News? They assured us that the war would be a cakewalk. We would be greeted as liberators. Democracy would seep out over the borders of Iraq to usher in a new Middle East. Now, struggling to salvage their own credibility, they blame the debacle on poor planning and mismanagement.

There are probably about 10,000 Arabists in the United States—people who have lived for prolonged periods in the Middle East and speak Arabic. At the inception of the war you could not have rounded up more than about a dozen who thought this was a good idea. And I include all the Arabists in the State Department, the Pentagon and the intelligence community. Anyone who had spent significant time in Iraq knew this would not work. The war was not doomed because Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz did not do sufficient planning for the occupation. The war was doomed, period. It never had a chance. And even a cursory knowledge of Iraqi history and politics made this apparent.

This is not to deny the stupidity of the occupation. The disbanding of the Iraqi army; the ham-fisted attempt to install the crook and, it now turns out, Iranian spy Ahmed Chalabi in power; the firing of all Baathist public officials, including university professors, primary school teachers, nurses and doctors; the failure to secure Baghdad and the vast weapons depots from looters; allowing heavily armed American units to blast their way through densely populated neighborhoods, giving the insurgency its most potent recruiting tool—all ensured a swift descent into chaos. But Iraq would not have held together even if we had been spared the gross incompetence of the Bush administration. Saddam Hussein, like the more benign dictator Josip Broz Tito in the former Yugoslavia, understood that the glue that held the country together was the secret police.

more...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070806_beyond_disaster/
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:07 PM
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1. Yep Chris, all is going according to the PNAC plan...a great success for them- hell for...
the rest of us.

Don't believe for a minute "they" didn't know how this would turn out.
I disagree with Hedges on the idea that the US will withdraw-
instead, we will continue to pay in blood and coin.
Count on far more service men and women dying and
what is left of the US economy to tank.
SOME people have gotten VERY wealthy from the debacle-
they could give a shit about what happens to the rest of us
at this point.

BHN
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:59 PM
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8. I agree with you BeHereNow. nt
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:13 AM
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16. So I am not alone.
Thank you for that.
BHN
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:04 PM
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24. BHN...
Of course your right.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:22 PM
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27. I'm with you...

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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:09 PM
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2. K&R nt
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:10 PM
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3. How infuriating. And how saddening.
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 08:20 PM by Gregorian
God damn George Bush and his friends. I don't say that easily.

The disruption, discomfort, agony, pain, suffering, sadness that these evil and gross and greedy men, and those who supported them out of ignorance, have caused. This is not a war of self defense. In fact it is an invasion.

There will be hell to pay.

We're lucky to have Chris Hedges.


Edited to remove the part that made absolutely no sense. Even to me. :)
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:11 PM
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4. Spent the afternoon watching the movie Zeitgeist. It was indeed supposed to turn out like this
perpetual war and continual monies for the banks and armanents manufacturers.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:27 PM
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6. I just watched this movie 2 days ago.It should be seen
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 08:30 PM by az chela
by everyone!!!!!I cried,got sad and then very angry.
Good post Sister!!!!!!!!!!!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:51 PM
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7. Apparently it's against the rules
to post a link to the streaming video of the Zeitgeist film as I found out by having one such post deleted by the mods. So I am just posting this to inform other DUers don't post the link to the film Zeitgeist on DU as it is against DU rules.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:59 PM
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11. Did they say why a link cannot be posted?
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artemisia1 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:40 AM
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17. LINK:
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 01:07 AM
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15. Its not hard to find
on Google video.

Their censorship can be quite arbitrary. For example, they've even censored a clip of Eckhart Tolle for some strange reason.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:58 AM
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18. That's weird. Although the only post I ever had removed was one quoting the Declaration of
Independence so sometimes you just get an odd moderator.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:25 PM
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28. I just saw that one too...
very disturbing seeing it all tied up in one neat little package.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 08:12 PM
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5. Sounds about right to me. And very sad.
I just could never figure out what Bush was doing. First of all the world is moving to wards ruling them self. People do not want others doing it for them and second we knew not one thing about these people. I lived in Saudi Arabia and it is so off our frame of mind and just how Am. treat these people is out in left field. One knew this was wrong from day one. What a mess.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:13 PM
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9. The world would be so different if Al Gore
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 09:13 PM by libodem
would have been allowed to serve as our President. The war is the Neocons dream. It was why they HAD to 'win' in 2000. Why they lied, cheated and stole the election. I wonder if Ralph Nader is still PROUD to have been a part of that? I wonder if he wishes he would have voted for Gore himself, about now? Plus, who has been more outspoken about Global Warming, lately, Al or Ralph? Iraq, was like opening up Pandora's box. I hope the Green's are with us this time.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 09:18 PM
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10. The neocons aren't gonna let anyone else win this "chess game"...
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 09:20 PM by roamer65
They will knock the pieces over first. They will bomb Iran soon and turn this into WW3.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:01 PM
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12. That is because they are in the pay of the Saudis.
Edited on Mon Aug-06-07 10:02 PM by JDPriestly
Did you see the report earlier on the Kontogeannis (or Kontogiannis) hearing today? I have no idea how the person posting that knew the information he or she claimed to know, but it sounded very believable based on my personal knowledge of evens of the past 34 years.

Here is the link to the earlier post re Kontogiannis and Cunningham.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1529067
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:42 PM
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13. The posting was by leveymg -- Mark G. Levey
I don't know who he is, but I've been reading his postings with interest for the past two years, both here and at Daily Kos and occasionally elsewhere. He's interested in many of the same topics I am, and I've always found his research solid and his speculation clearly marked as such.

Here's something I just happened on in my files that leveymg posted here in October 2005 -- in a thread on Jack Abramoff and the Mafia (no link, sorry) -- that may be of current interest:
As we all saw in "The Godfather" series and "Bugsy", the Mafias created Vegas to launder their money on the West Coast while they invested heavily in similar operations in Havana. After 1959, the Cuban-American mob fled to Miami, from which they later took over Florida politics.

The Saudi and Gulf states oil sheikhs bacame big-time international players after the oil price rises and nationalizations that followed the 1973-74 Mid-East War. The Arabs started pumping serious money into American politics after the overthrow of the Shah in 1979. Again, this went predominantly into GOP coffers.

Meyer and the other Dons, and the Saudis, chose the GOP because they thought the Republican Party was more "respectable", owned more judges, and had better business connections with big industrialists, and bankers than the Democrats. That was a smart business move, that's still paying off.


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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 02:52 PM
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20. The Saudis among other oil-rich nations had a campaign
in 1973-74 and beyond to ensure that individuals working in the oil industry (at least in management also I believe it encompassed all companies with which they traded) were not Jewish. Although I am not Jewish, this was personally offensive to me.

At that time (1973-74), there were fewer Jewish Republicans than Democrats. Knowing how aggressively the Saudis pursued their campaign to avoid trading with Jewish people or companies that hired Jewish people, it would not surprise me to find that another reason the Saudis chose to go with the Republican party was its relatively small number of Jewish appointees and supporters. Ironically, I am certain that some of the people who did a lot of the trading on the oil spot market in 1973-74 were Jewish. I have no idea whether companies other than the small company I worked for were approached about the issue of Jewish employees.

I have long wondered just how much control the Saudis have over the big American oil companies. I do not know. I believe that, once the oil nations ostensibly took control of their national oil companies, they made special deals with the major oil companies to sell back their oil at long-term contract prices. Those prices differed from the spot market prices which were much higher. I no longer follow the oil markets that closely and do not know if this is still the case.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 10:47 PM
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14. It's too frightening to contemplate.
:scared:

K&R
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 12:45 PM
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19. Recommended
Neocons and "useful" idiots have committed a colossal strategic blunder that a lot of people will be paying for for a long time.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 03:31 PM
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21. knrnt.
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Dj13Francis Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:38 PM
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22. Chris Hedges said,
"It was not supposed to turn out like this."

That's just plain wrong.
It was always supposed to turn out like this.
Every move has been a calculated effort to create chaos.
If all these billions of dollars were being spent on getting the power and water turned back on, they'd have power and water. Instead they go towards fattening Haliburton's bottom line.
If Iraq was stable, we'd have reason to go home. THEY will never let that happen.
The reason Iraq is like this is because it was intended to be this way from the start.
THEY are not incompetent. THEY know exactly what they are doing.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:46 PM
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23. The Illegal US Occupation of Iraq will continue for years.
Even if Dems manage to gain a majority in the Senate and the next Pres/VP are Dems Iraq will still be Occupied. The Oil there will never be allowed to be in Iraqi control.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:11 PM
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26. You obviously get it
Many do not and unfortunately most of the dems play along with the "blame it on poor planning" and "if we leave now the situation will only deteriorate" memes. This is exactly what they wanted -- a giant sinkhole for US taxpayer dollars. They're destroying two countries at once and getting rich doing it. :grr:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:05 PM
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25. And they will blame that on us because of our pessimism
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 07:08 PM by LittleClarkie
We didn't believe the surge was working, so it's our fault that it ultimately failed. We killed the good news coming out of Iraq.

It'll be something like that.

Still, he puts too much blame on the Dems. We have clearly signaled that we would like to end this war, if the Republicans would stop filibustering for their leader.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:25 PM
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29. I disagree... I don't think it was incompetence.
The failure was INTENTIONAL. Guaranteed war funds for the forseeable future. Cha-ching.
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